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Title: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on August 01 2006, 06:34 am
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l228/Capella-Aurigae/rememberhideki.jpg)

Ahem, this is the official thread for the "Remember Hideki" Campaign. This campaign was founded by Becster and myself, with the goal of reminding people in the Tsubasa fandom of the existence of Motosuwa Hideki, the protagonist of the Chobits series. Essentially, we got sick of pointing out to people that Hideki is Chii's "special person" in CLAMP terms, and therefore the Fai/Chii pairing is not happening.

We are a pro-Hideki/Chii, anti-Fai/Chii campaign. If you want to join and support Hideki and Chii, you can say so on this thread.

The members of the campaign are: Capella, Becster, Emiko, Kana-chan, Ashlee, Meowzy, Rekall, SailorYue-chan, Meliwan, dark_persian, Jeannette, Kjesta, Senefen, AkaiYuki, Kuro-puppy, Smile_For_Me, Sanmine, Quimmy, Fai, Bra-chan, unglued, Tricky, and Moro-dashi.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on August 01 2006, 06:37 am
Hi! Becster here; co-creator of the Remember Hideki Campaign.

First thing's first.

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l228/Capella-Aurigae/freecheesecake.jpg)

*Cheesecake is subject to availability, and, considering this is the internet, currently there isn't any. In fact, there'll never be any cheesecake. Suckers!


Ahem.

Here's your treat for joining! Basically, we decided that sending threads off topic with people commenting on the sig was a bad idea and - through a flurry of insane plotting and discussion via pm - we decided to bring to you this lovely thread just for the campaign.

As Capella said; this is to remind people of the fact that Hideki is, was and always will be Chi's 'someone just for me'.

Thus this also makes us Anti-FaiChi, and Pro KuroFai/AshuraFai.

So, sit back, feel free to comment on why you like any of our pro-pairings, and why you dislike FaiChi, and enjoy your non-existant slice of cheesecake! >D

--Edit--

I think I'll post the members in my post as well, so I can update them if Capella's not here.

The members of the campaign are: Capella, Becster, Emiko, Kana-chan, Ashlee, Meowzy, Rekall, SailorYue-chan, Meliwan, dark_persian, Jeannette, Kjesta, Senefen, AkaiYuki, Kuro-puppy, Smile_For_Me, Sanmine Quimmy, Fai, Bra-chan, and unglued.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on August 01 2006, 06:40 am
Yeah!! *brings streamers and brownies*

I'm sure I'll have something more interesting to say later.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: mela on August 01 2006, 06:46 am
*stakes claim on first page*

Because we all know that true love is turning your catgirl into a pool cover!

I don't understand why people are so ready to basically throw away the entirety of the Chobits manga in order to ship Fai/Chii who are together in Tsubasa for all of 2-3 pages.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on August 01 2006, 06:59 am
Quote from: meliwan on August 01 2006, 06:46 am
Because we all know that true love is turning your catgirl into a pool cover!

I don't understand why people are so ready to basically throw away the entirety of the Chobits manga in order to ship Fai/Chii who are together in Tsubasa for all of 2-3 pages.

Right, and leaving her with some guy you feel the need to flee across dimensions to escape from!

I don't get it either. The only explanations I can think of are: 1) Not having read Chobits, 2) not liking Hideki or Hideki/Chii, 3) liking the way Fai and Chii look together, and 4) needing to pair Fai with a member (any member) of the female sex for some reason.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: mela on August 01 2006, 07:01 am
Quote from: Capella on August 01 2006, 06:59 am
Right, and leaving her with some guy you feel the need to flee across dimensions to escape from!

I don't get it either. The only explanations I can think of are: 1) Not having read Chobits, 2) not liking Hideki or Hideki/Chii, 3) liking the way Fai and Chii look together, and 4) needing to pair Fai with a member (any member) of the female sex for some reason.

Yup, this whole business just seems to me like people are grasping at straws to make Fai straight in any way they possibly can. I seriously have no other explanation other than those XD It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Jeannette on August 01 2006, 07:10 am
The only explanation I have that hasn't been said is simply assuming... Chii is the first person Fai is ever shown talking to. I think some fans just automatically took the shipping from that. Which really is silly.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Smile_For_Me on August 01 2006, 07:31 am
Yes thank You, now this will rule over the Fai/Chii parings, I do hope Hideki will show up in TRC soon
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on August 01 2006, 07:41 am
*salutes* Rekall here, checking in!

I can understand those who haven't read Chobits not knowing who Hideki is but I've seen some fans who *have* read Chobits be huge supporters of Fye/Chii.  It's those people I don't get.  I can't imagine Chii being paired up with someone besides him and I think if CLAMP meant for Fye to be involved with the character in the alarm system role they would have used Freya instead since she looks just like Chii but is unattached.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Ashlee on August 01 2006, 07:47 am
This is crazy. How can people not see that Fai is gay, and that Chi is Hideki. Chi made sure of that. "The Person just for me". And she said that it was Hideki, I didn't hear any "fai".  Did you guys??

Also, I don't see Hidiki using chi as a "alarm system", he can't even use her for basic computer stuff. He treats her as a person. Just how fai treats kuro as a person (who he likes to pick on)

also, I don't want cheesecake (me don't like), I want chocolate icecream ^^;; *shot*
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: AkaiYuki on August 01 2006, 07:53 am
Oh god, I'm in! *raises hand*

Fai/Chii is ridiculous... -__- Chii is a one-man kind of lady, and she makes it quite clear in Chobits that the "one-man" is Hideki.

I don't get how this fan pairing came to be. When I saw their 2-3 page interaction with each other in the first volume, I thought of it as more of a pet kind of relationship. Honestly, Chii is like a watchdog or something to him... If he loved her THAT much, why the HECK would he leave her ALONE with someone who he himself seems to be afraid of in a country where everyone is DEAD and then continue to NOT say a WORD about her for 100 chapters? Not even when he's alone do we see him think about her.

There's nothing there. Nothing. She's a pool cover he made because he was too cheap to get one of the expensive ones at the pool store.

That's right. Fai/Chii is NOT happening, and Hideki/Chii is forever.

Now gimme some of that cheesecake.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on August 01 2006, 08:03 am
*munches on cheesecake*

The Fai/Chii episode was so lame. It wasn't even couple-y. It was like Bee Train was trying to imply that there's something between them, but I couldn't see anything, even when they were TRYING.

The Fai/Chii thing I've always thought is the result of a certain desperation on some fangirls' part to het Fai up a little bit and yes I just made that expression up..

Though if you look at the state of movies, so often romance is just a given. A girl will be there just for the sake of the guy having someone to fall in love with. We aren't really shown why or how, it just happens. Can anyone here really think of that many movies where someone DIDN'T fall in love? It might be a reflection of some of our cultures that some people see Fai with a girl on his lap and automatically assume "love!".

Though I'm totally for HidekixChii, both of whom I've always been neutral about. Though maybe I'm biased because I love KuroFai so much.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on August 01 2006, 08:35 am
Quote from: Emiko on August 01 2006, 08:03 am
The Fai/Chii thing I've always thought is the result of a certain desperation on some fangirls' part to het Fai up a little bit and yet I just made that expression up..

I think you're right.  I think when people first look at Fye, they realize he's gay and then become desperate to hook him up with a girl to prove that he's straight (because apparently liking a gay person is impossible).  Chii's really the only female opinion to hook him up with since every other female he's met either already has someone, barely gets noticed by him, or everyone in the group treats her the same way.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on August 01 2006, 10:04 am
Added you, AkaiYuki! Welcome to the campaign, have some non-existent cheesecake. And Smile_For_Me, are you interested in joining?

Quote from: Emiko on August 01 2006, 08:03 am
Though if you look at the state of movies, so often romance is just a given. A girl will be there just for the sake of the guy having someone to fall in love with. We aren't really shown why or how, it just happens. Can anyone here really think of that many movies where someone DIDN'T fall in love? It might be a reflection of some of our cultures that some people see Fai with a girl on his lap and automatically assume "love!".

Yeah, I think people often assume romantic relationships too easily, particularly between members of opposite genders. In movies and novels, there always has to be love interest, so one looks around for the nearest person and in this case...Aha! Chii! *facepalm* I'm probably guilty of this fallacy as well, but in this case there really is no build up afterwards, so people are just going their initial assumption without looking at anything that happens afterwards (see Fai not ever thinking about Chii).

Quote from: Ashlee on August 01 2006, 07:47 am
This is crazy. How can people not see that Fai is gay, and that Chi is Hideki. Chi made sure of that. "The Person just for me". And she said that it was Hideki, I didn't hear any "fai".  Did you guys??

Also, I don't see Hidiki using chi as a "alarm system", he can't even use her for basic computer stuff. He treats her as a person. Just how fai treats kuro as a person (who he likes to pick on)

also, I don't want cheesecake (me don't like), I want chocolate icecream ^^;; *shot*

Unless someone has discovered that "Fai" is the Celesian equivalent of "Hideki", I did not hear anything like that.

Really, Hideki wouldn't put Chii in such a potentially dangerous situation. I think of the scene in Chobits where Chii pulls a flower out of the ground to give it to Hideki, and he's afraid that she might get broken doing things like that, and I wonder why anyone would say that Fai would be "better" for Chii than Hideki.

You may have as much chocolate ice cream as everyone else has cheesecake.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on August 01 2006, 10:19 am
*eats some cheeseckae*

hey, on my birthday, ill bring some of my cake to the party. its going to be triple chocolate fudge *__*
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Meowzy on August 02 2006, 07:16 am
Mmmm! Cheesecake! *_*

The whole point of Chobits is that Chii belongs with Hideki. Just like the whole point of CCS is that Sakura belongs with Syaoran. Now tell me, if they keep SxS alive in Tsubasa, why not ChiixHideki?

I hope CLAMP will hook Chii from Seles country up with Hideki, just to annoy BEETRAIN for that filler ep they did. >3
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kuro-puppy on August 02 2006, 08:45 am
count me in too, Chii and Hideki should be together..end of story!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Smile_For_Me on August 02 2006, 11:03 am
Yes, I would like to join the "TRHC"

Now BeeTrains Fai/Chii epi was cute, in a father/daughter way, or that of a close friend, but remeber the epi had an open ending, maybe Chii will find a Hideki in that world some way or another, and that Chii in Celse will find another Hideki in that world, or vise versa. I like Chi, and I sorta feel like its a little bashing in here when the question of Fai/Chii relationship problem........
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: envyofthestage on August 03 2006, 12:12 am
I'm one of the less polite KuroxFai fans. :D Fight fire with fire! Or water! Water does seem like a better idea.

My main reason for knowing that FaixChi is -I quiote-  (ahem) "stupid, stupid, stupid!" is that Fai treats her like a pet, patting her head and -well I don't know what Bee Train does to their true loves- but I don't turn them into pool covers. :-/
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sanmine on August 03 2006, 02:07 am
Sign me up for the campaign!

Fai/Chii never really occured to me until I stumbled across the pairing on fanfiction.net. I never thought of the two having a relationship that was in any way romantic.

Hideki/Chii all the way! It seems silly to me to throw away a previously established and popular pairing for the sake of pairing Fai up with a person who appeared for less than 3-4 pages.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on August 03 2006, 02:33 am
Quote from: Sanmine on August 03 2006, 02:07 am
Sign me up for the campaign!

Done and done. Any new members have been added.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on August 03 2006, 02:57 am
In addition, Chii seems a bit too 'innocent' for Fai. Even IF Hideki didn't exist, I don't know if Fai would be attracted to someone like Chii, since he seems rather jaded himself. Though that's just a personal observation. :heh:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Ashlee on August 03 2006, 02:59 am
Quote from: Emiko on August 03 2006, 02:57 am
In addition, Chii seems a bit too 'innocent' for Fai. Even IF Hideki didn't exist, I don't know if Fai would be attracted to someone like Chii, since he seems rather jaded himself. Though that's just a personal observation. :heh:
I agree. Chii is innocent. She is like a little child. I believe that fai is more of "danger" type.  I wonder who that could be :hehe:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on August 03 2006, 03:03 am
Quote from: Ashlee on August 03 2006, 02:59 am
I agree. Chii is innocent. She is like a little child. I believe that fai is more of "danger" type. I wonder who that could be :hehe:

XDDD

Yeah, Fai seems a bit older, be it mentally or physically. So I don't think Chii would appeal to him. That's why she's his pet, not his...l-l-lover...*can't even think about it without cringing*

...You know, I really don't dislike Chii. I don't love her, but in Chobits at least, I was fairly neutral to her presence. But I REALLY dislike her when I think about her with Fai. It's just so...uuuugggh.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: envyofthestage on August 03 2006, 04:44 am
Same, I wasn't bothered by her before, but every tiem I see a Fai/Chi hint I just....ugh.

Same for Tomoyo/Kuro, except I LOVED Tomoyo in CCS.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: quimmy on August 03 2006, 04:50 am
Kuro/Tomo doesn't bother me too much, but Fye/Chii is just all types of wrong. I love Hideki, how can legions of fans abanon him just because Fye and Chii hug once?!
Sign me up please!!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on August 03 2006, 05:35 am
Quote from: Quimmy on August 03 2006, 04:50 am
Kuro/Tomo doesn't bother me too much, but Fye/Chii is just all types of wrong. I love Hideki, how can legions of fans abanon him just because Fye and Chii hug once?!
Sign me up please!!

Thanks! Added you.

Yes, even though we are anti-Fai/Chii, let's stay away from outright bashing. Insulting without giving a reason, you know. Or attacking Fai/Chii fans.

I agree with the people who said Chii is too innocent to be suited to Fai. I think that would be kind of...creepy. Hideki is also somewhat naive, so I like him with Chii, but Fai's a bit too jaded, yes.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Ashlee on August 03 2006, 05:40 am
Don't ask, why I came up with this >_>
Show content
Hideki: Chi I"m home! *looks around* Chii, where are you
Fai: Hey Hideki, Chii is kind of umm.... busy at the moment.
Hideki: BUSY, what.....wait...not again.. did you turn her back into alarm system *eyes turn red*
Fai: Alarm System is a bad word to use. I like to use, "Safety Line"
Hideki: *kills fai*

*sorry about that guys. I know its bad >.<
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kjesta on August 03 2006, 05:48 am
Quote from: Ashlee on August 03 2006, 05:40 am
Don't ask, why I came up with this >_>
Show content
Hideki: Chi I"m home! *looks around* Chii, where are you
Fai: Hey Hideki, Chii is kind of umm.... busy at the moment.
Hideki: BUSY, what.....wait...not again.. did you turn her back into alarm system *eyes turn red*
Fai: Alarm System is a bad word to use. I like to use, "Safety Line"
Hideki: *kills fai*

*sorry about that guys. I know its bad >.<

Heavens, this is hilarious!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Fai on August 03 2006, 05:52 am
I agree with Chii saying that Hideki is her 'specail someone just for me'. Plus I'm a supporter of KuroxFai...Sign me up for this campagin!!  :keke:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: dark_persian on August 03 2006, 06:55 am
I posted my con Fai/Chii post in the chapter discussion section since, well I just needed somewhere to vent it! Subsiquently, it was off topic! So I'm going to be really boring and just cut and paste my rant to this topic because, dammit, I want that cheesecake!

Thinking logically, the FaixChii pairing makes very little canon sense to me. No canon sense at all infact.

As many people have said, CLAMP have established the rule that, even though characters belonging to different worlds may act differently because of growing up in a different environment, their heart/soul remains the same. Now why on earth would CLAMP contradict their own rule by pairing Chii with Fai? Chii, as we all know, has already found her one-and-only soulmate: her "Special someone just for her", and that soulmate is Hideki. Pure and simple. Nothing more to it. She spent 8 graphic novels looking for him for crying out loud!
If CLAMP liked the way Chii and Fai looked together I have no doubt that they would have used Chii's poor, loveless twin Freya instead. Thinking logically, would they really trample all over their Chobits series for a pairing that could so easily be substituted?
That would make absolutely no sense!

Have we had an example yet of a CLAMP character that has a soulmate in one of their previous manga series and has turned up head over heels with someone else in Tsubasa?
No.
Touya is still with Yukito, Sorata still loves Arashi, Syaoran still loves Sakura (and vice versa), Ashura still loves Yasha, Yuzuriha still has a deep connection Kusanagi. The list goes on.

Now, I think someone has mentioned that these rules do not apply to unrequited love in the CLAMPverse.
In Rayearth Primera had an unrequited love for Lantis, but in Tsubasa, it seems she has found a soulmate in Shougo.

With all these facts in mind, the best the Fai/Chii shippers can hope for in Tsubasa is a one sided love. Fai could love Chii and the love not be returned, or Chii could love Fai and the love not be returned. But of course, by just reading Fai and Chii's conversation we can see how unlikely it is for either of those options to be true!
When Fai told Chii that he was leaving, was she upset? No, not at all. Just a little confused with that adorable Chii-like innocence. Can you imagine her reaction if Hideki told her he was going to leave her? In Chobits, even before she realised she loved him, she was reduced to tears at the thought of being parted with him.

Why exactly Chii was created we have still to find out. But Fai certainly didn't seem at all cut up about leaving her behind. A quick cuddle, a few "Good Chii! Good Chii!"s as if she was a some kind of pet and off he went, not seeming bothered that he'd left her dangling in net form above the man that would be after his blood once he woke up!!
We have to conclude that 1) For some reason Ashura is no threat to Chii, even when he is awake, or 2) Fai has little regard for Chii's wellbeing and cares more about his own safety. (Which seems very Fai-like to me)
Fai has a great deal of magical power. If he truly loved Chii he would have brought (or at least tried to bring) her with him. If Yukito can transport two people to another dimension, why not Fai too? But no, Fai was as flippant as could be about leaving Chii as she obviously serves the purpose of an alarm system for him where she is.
It was only as he looked down at Ashura in the pool that he had that look of turmoil and regret on his face. A sorrow and fear that Fai has carried with him all through the TRC adventures. He's constantly thinking back Ashura. He's never once thought back to Chii.

Why are they so touchy feely then? The answer is obvious! Both of them love the physical contact with people. In Chobits, Chii loved to cuddle, touch and fling herself with innocent intent at the people she liked as friends. She hurled herself into Manager Uda's lap after he gave her a job at his bakery.
Fai has flung his arms around loads of people in Tsubasa! Both Fai and Chii are just very touchy feely characters. A fact that embarrasses Hideki, and frustrates Kurogane no end!!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Ashlee on August 03 2006, 07:30 am
Quote from: Fai on August 03 2006, 05:52 am
I agree with Chii saying that Hideki is her 'specail someone just for me'. Plus I'm a supporter of KuroxFai...Sign me up for this campagin!! :keke:
Little sis, you join, yeah! cheesecake for you

Quote
A fact that embarrasses Hideki, and frustrates Kurogane no end!!
lol
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kuro-puppy on August 03 2006, 03:25 pm
(the last time i entered a discussion i ended up insulting someone without knowing it but here goes anyway :sweatdrop:)

why is everybody getting so worked up on Fai/Chii....it's never gonna happen anyway, clamp will see to that *points to the last TRC chaptres* even i as KuroXTomo supporter can't denie that KuroXFai has a very good chance of happening now. And the ep with Chii.....it was just a father/daughter or old friends going out thing.....there wasn't any romance between them, and that everybody is mad that Hideki got left out. I don't remember seeing him in the manga either so it was to be expected that he wouldn't be in the anime. it's too bad but it can't be helped.....

okay enough ranting from me, i'm not making sense at all :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kuro-puppy on August 03 2006, 04:00 pm
that's good then :)

i wonder how long this topic will keep friendly and flaming free........
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on August 03 2006, 06:51 pm
Quote from: Kuro-puppy on August 03 2006, 04:00 pm
that's good then :)

i wonder how long this topic will keep friendly and flaming free........

No flaming here. I think it'd be better if we all just spoke about it rationally. XD

On another note:

Arcademan, in the politest way possible; where else could we put this thread? It's not just for the Remembering Hideki part, it's also for discussing reasoning behind why we personally think that FaiXChi doesn't work. In that respect, I believe this is the best place for the thread; as we are both supporting a Clamp!Canon pairing, and discussing reasons for not liking certain fan-pairing in Tsubasa that involve one of the characters.

None of us are asking you to get involved with this thread; if you don't like it, then that's fine. But a lot of us would rather we had a place to discuss this than going off on a tangent in other threads. Having people ask you about the campaign in the middle of...say...the 'Chapter 123' discussion thread is nice, but it's not exactly on topic. Rather than keep going off topic on other threads Capella and I thought it a better idea to have a thread for this thing alone. Being that it also revolves around a Tsubasa theme, we discussed it with Sakaki so that we could put this in a place which wouldn't cause any problems.

So far, no one has had any problems. And I'm quite happy with it that way.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Bra-chan on August 03 2006, 10:34 pm
Fai/Chii idea just killing me =_____=
There is no way to they will end up together... I hope  :dodge:

sign me up too please  :wave:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on August 03 2006, 11:39 pm
*is literally eating cheesecake right now*

Yes, Fai/Chii will never happen, not just because of Hideki and Kurogane, but because there's no real physical chemistry. They almost look like they could be brother and sister. Sure, they're cute together, but that's about the extent of their relationship so far.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on August 04 2006, 05:14 am
Quote from: Kuro-puppy on August 04 2006, 02:34 am
i agree on this but shall we get back to the real discussion? It's more fun to talk about that ^^

Yeah, back to the discussion people! *waves flags*

(I'm still fangirling over Chapter 124 X3!!!)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on August 04 2006, 05:21 am
I think everyone is still fangirling over 124, lol.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kjesta on August 04 2006, 05:24 am
Yup, me too. Actually, I can't think of anything else. My whole day, my entire thinking and everything is focused on KuroFai and the latest events! *feels obsessed*
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on August 04 2006, 05:27 am
Quote from: Kjesta on August 04 2006, 05:24 am
Yup, me too. Actually, I can't think of anything else. My whole day, my entire thinking and everything is focused on KuroFai and the latest events! *feels obsessed*

*happy sigh* If KuroFai becomes TouyaYukiesq. canon, then my slash OTP and (one of my) het OTP will be safe. (Go on. Guess my het OTP number #4 XD You'll never guess. Not by the thread title. Nope.)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Meowzy on August 04 2006, 05:59 am
Will Hideki make a future appearance in TRC, as Chii's 'person just for you'?  Because it's fairly obvious CLAMP did not decide to start Fai/Chii pairings.
There is a chance that Chii will remain without a partner, perhaps because either there is no Hideki in Ceres country, or he died.
It's a 50/50 thing, I think. Either she'll be paired up with Hideki, or she'll end up alone. I, myself, am hoping for Hideki. I'd love to see him TRC style. ^_^
(*cough* Just like Icchan *cough*)

So... Yeah. This topic deserves life, and gives people opportinity for a nice Hideki-in-TRC discussion. ^_^
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on August 04 2006, 07:56 am
It would be really cool to see Hideki in Clamp's new style. I wonder if Chii will appear in any of the other worlds with Hideki? Or maybe the group will somehow travel to Celes? There might be a loophole in Fai's wish.

Though maybe Celes!Chii hasn't met Hideki yet.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sakaki on August 04 2006, 11:37 am
~ Thread unlocked.

Feel free to continue on-topic discussion. ^^
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Arcademan on August 04 2006, 10:18 pm
Thread's all cleaned up. Continue on with the campaign and don't let my feelings deter you. My mind games are over and all but one passed it.

I wouldn't mind seeing Hideki in a chapter of TRC...especially after virtually everyone else from Chobits has appeared. Plus I do want to know a bit more about Fai's version of Chii and what her purpose and role in TRC is all about, besides watching over King Ashura while her master trips thruoghout space and time :wink:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on August 05 2006, 12:07 am
Well, another reason why Fai/Chii won't happen is that Fai wished to never go back to his world. So how is he supposed to ever see her again? He obviously didn't care *that* much if he'd see her again. He probably isn't that eager to see her BECAUSE she reminds him of Celes, and Ashura, whom we all know Fai is terrified of. So I imagine the reaction Fai would have at seeing Chii again wouldn't be a happy one, since seeing her means Ashura is awake.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Jeannette on August 05 2006, 02:35 am
And here's another reason FaiChii won't happen...

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i50/von-questenberg/Icons/fai-chii-incest.png)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on August 05 2006, 02:47 am
Quote from: Jeannette on August 05 2006, 02:35 am
And here's another reason FaiChii won't happen...

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i50/von-questenberg/Icons/fai-chii-incest.png)
heehee. those avatar things you make with those icons re cute XD
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on August 05 2006, 05:09 am
Quote from: Jeannette on August 05 2006, 02:35 am
And here's another reason FaiChii won't happen...

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i50/von-questenberg/Icons/fai-chii-incest.png)

Yup. No more father/daughter incest for either of them. Give 'em a break and let Chi have her Hideki, and Fai have his Kuro. xDDD
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Arcademan on August 05 2006, 12:01 pm
Quote from: Emiko on August 05 2006, 12:07 am
Well, another reason why Fai/Chii won't happen is that Fai wished to never go back to his world. So how is he supposed to ever see her again? He obviously didn't care *that* much if he'd see her again. He probably isn't that eager to see her BECAUSE she reminds him of Celes, and Ashura, whom we all know Fai is terrified of. So I imagine the reaction Fai would have at seeing Chii again wouldn't be a happy one, since seeing her means Ashura is awake.

That is without a doubt probably the BEST explanation I've read about that. Cookie for you :)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Mimie on August 06 2006, 05:55 pm
i wonder how hideki would look in his tsubasa form, i'd love to see him....and more of chii too (w/ her robotic ears on, i don't like the cat ears in celes)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on August 07 2006, 12:23 am
Added Fai and Bra-chan to the list. Thanks for joining!

Quote from: Jeannette on August 05 2006, 02:35 am
And here's another reason FaiChii won't happen...

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i50/von-questenberg/Icons/fai-chii-incest.png)

Jeannette, you make the most adorable little icons! Yay! True, Freya went through the whole creator/creation thing, and she would appreciate it if we would spare her little sister.

I wonder about Hideki showing up in Celes. I think it more likely that Chii will be alone, since I can't think what role Hideki could play in Celes. I imagine that when (hopefully not "if") we find out about that world, the story will be focussed on Fai rather than Chii, so there might not be a place for poor Hideki. Which is sad because I'd like to see TRC!Hideki/Chii, or really just more people from Chobits (true, we've had Chii, Chitose, Sumomo, Kotoko and Minoru's maid persocoms, but...I guess I'm never satisfied on the crossover front).
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kjesta on August 07 2006, 01:39 am
I'd like it if Minoru appeared with his favourite PC. What was her name again? I love Minoru and her, they're so cute and bittersweet together!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Jeannette on August 07 2006, 04:37 am
Quote from: Capella on August 07 2006, 12:23 am
Added Fai and Bra-chan to the list. Thanks for joining!

Jeannette, you make the most adorable little icons! Yay! True, Freya went through the whole creator/creation thing, and she would appreciate it if we would spare her little sister.

I wonder about Hideki showing up in Celes. I think it more likely that Chii will be alone, since I can't think what role Hideki could play in Celes. I imagine that when (hopefully not "if") we find out about that world, the story will be focussed on Fai rather than Chii, so there might not be a place for poor Hideki. Which is sad because I'd like to see TRC!Hideki/Chii, or really just more people from Chobits (true, we've had Chii, Chitose, Sumomo, Kotoko and Minoru's maid persocoms, but...I guess I'm never satisfied on the crossover front).
^^ Thank you, I love it when people like my icons.

And I've always kinda liked the idea of post TRC, Fai and Chii (assuming Chii survives Ashura) going back to Kuro's Japan with him, and Chii meeting Hideki in Kuro's Japan. XD
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: dark_persian on August 09 2006, 10:02 am
In a perfect TRC world Fai would end up in Japan with his Kurogane (I guess that's more likely to happen now that they're lifebonded) and he'd somehow bring Chii with him. He'd send Chii on an errand in the town where she would bump into poor, pennyless villager Hideki and there'd be lots of blushing and cuteness!
Lets face it. Hideki would look out of place in Celes since he's Japanese.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Meowzy on August 09 2006, 09:26 pm
Quote from: dark_persian on August 09 2006, 10:02 am
In a perfect TRC world Fai would end up in Japan with his Kurogane (I guess that's more likely to happen now that they're lifebonded) and he'd somehow bring Chii with him. He'd send Chii on an errand in the town where she would bump into poor, pennyless villager Hideki and there'd be lots of blushing and cuteness!
Lets face it. Hideki would look out of place in Celes since he's Japanese.

Ah, you forget that while Chii is on her errand, Fai and Kuro will be taking advantage of the empty house to have a little... private time. *nod nod*
Chii will probably sent on a new errand every day, giving her plenty of time to meet with Hideki again. XD

Fai: Chii, could you go to the supermarket? We need... Uh... new chopsticks.
Chii: Chii doesn't understand. What happened to the old chopsticks?
*Kurogane breaks all the chopsticks in the house in half*
Fai: Well, off you go. Be sure to take your time!
Chii: Yaaay!

See? It's a win-win situation! =3
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Ashlee on August 09 2006, 11:10 pm
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Chii is hideki!
so get it through

ok that so suck >,<

Quote from: dark_persian on August 09 2006, 10:02 am
In a perfect TRC world Fai would end up in Japan with his Kurogane (I guess that's more likely to happen now that they're lifebonded) and he'd somehow bring Chii with him. He'd send Chii on an errand in the town where she would bump into poor, pennyless villager Hideki and there'd be lots of blushing and cuteness!
Lets face it. Hideki would look out of place in Celes since he's Japanese.
Quote from: Meowzy on August 09 2006, 09:26 pm
Ah, you forget that while Chii is on her errand, Fai and Kuro will be taking advantage of the empty house to have a little... private time. *nod nod*
Chii will probably sent on a new errand every day, giving her plenty of time to meet with Hideki again. XD

Fai: Chii, could you go to the supermarket? We need... Uh... new chopsticks.
Chii: Chii doesn't understand. What happened to the old chopsticks?
*Kurogane breaks all the chopsticks in the house in half*
Fai: Well, off you go. Be sure to take your time!
Chii: Yaaay!

See? It's a win-win situation! =3
lol. That is so true
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on August 10 2006, 04:45 am
Quote from: Meowzy on August 09 2006, 09:26 pm
Chii will probably sent on a new errand every day, giving her plenty of time to meet with Hideki again. XD

Fai: Chii, could you go to the supermarket? We need... Uh... new chopsticks.
Chii: Chii doesn't understand. What happened to the old chopsticks?
*Kurogane breaks all the chopsticks in the house in half*
Fai: Well, off you go. Be sure to take your time!
Chii: Yaaay!

See? It's a win-win situation! =3

Yes! Perfect! :lol: Chii will have lots of errands. Tomoyo could get into this, too, I bet...

Quote from: dark_persian on August 09 2006, 10:02 am
Lets face it. Hideki would look out of place in Celes since he's Japanese.

Well, Ashura-ou is...from a world loosely based on Japanese mythology. He looks more Japanese than, say...the Magic Knights, and they're all Japanese. So I don't think it's that. I think the reason he doesn't fit is just that he's a spazzy 19-year-old who can't get into college and not as dramatic as these other people. Aw, Hideki, we like you anyway.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: mela on August 10 2006, 05:19 am
Quote from: Capella on August 10 2006, 04:45 am
Yes! Perfect! :lol: Chii will have lots of errands. Tomoyo could get into this, too, I bet...

Well, Ashura-ou is...from a world loosely based on Japanese mythology. He looks more Japanese than, say...the Magic Knights, and they're all Japanese. So I don't think it's that. I think the reason he doesn't fit is just that he's a spazzy 19-year-old who can't get into college and not as dramatic as these other people. Aw, Hideki, we like you anyway.

Isn't RG Veda based on ancient Hindu texts and stories, not Japanese ones? But yeah, Ashura-ou has black hair so I don't think Hideki wouldn't fit in or anything, I just can't see him being in Celes. But we don't exactly know anything about Celes, so he very well could have fit in there perfectly for all we know.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Smile_For_Me on August 10 2006, 06:13 am
In Tsubasa, Race isn't the same, as Hideki is japanese in Chobits, he may, or may not be Japanese in Celes, and I do not think Hideki would be out of place in Celes, because in Chobits he was a farmer, and I can see him as a farmer in Celes as well.

What I think is when Ashura-ou wakes up to find Fai, he will hurt Chi in the process of getting out of the spell. Chi will lose her memory, as in Chobits, and find the one just for her in a boy, Hideki, who finds her, and what happens after that is just in the fans minds.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on August 10 2006, 02:10 pm
I don't know if Chii will have a huge roll to play in the future of Tsubasa, actually. Somehow I feel like she was only put into Tsubasa because she was a popular Clamp character and the series was just starting out. While I'd like to see Hideki, I don't think he and Chii will get a great deal of focus. I'm wary of the idea that the group will go to Celes eventually (though damn would I like to see it) and if that doesn't happen, all Chii is set to do is warn Fai of Ashura's awakening. I don't know if she'll be able to physically appear or what the method of warning Fai will be.

Though if it does occur, all of the Clamp couples that have made a re-appearence have been slightly different than their original counterparts circumstance-wise, haven't they? Sorata and Arashi being together and happy, for example. How much can Chii and Hideki change? Make them more angsty?
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on August 12 2006, 12:47 am
Quote from: Emiko on August 10 2006, 02:10 pm
I don't know if Chii will have a huge roll to play in the future of Tsubasa, actually. Somehow I feel like she was only put into Tsubasa because she was a popular Clamp character and the series was just starting out. While I'd like to see Hideki, I don't think he and Chii will get a great deal of focus. I'm wary of the idea that the group will go to Celes eventually (though damn would I like to see it) and if that doesn't happen, all Chii is set to do is warn Fai of Ashura's awakening. I don't know if she'll be able to physically appear or what the method of warning Fai will be.

Though if it does occur, all of the Clamp couples that have made a re-appearence have been slightly different than their original counterparts circumstance-wise, haven't they? Sorata and Arashi being together and happy, for example. How much can Chii and Hideki change? Make them more angsty?

I don't expect them to get much focus either, so if Hideki did appear, I don't think there'd be time to change too much. Or really develop that much of a relationship in the first place. Hideki/Chii is a relationship that took awhile to develop, which is one of the reasons I don't think he'll be showing up in Celes where the story isn't about them.

Quote from: mela on August 10 2006, 05:19 am
Isn't RG Veda based on ancient Hindu texts and stories, not Japanese ones?

[mythology geek] It's named after the Rigveda, but the mythology it borrows from is actually Japanese, which itself borrows from Hindu mythology. Some of the mythological figures referenced in RG Veda aren't even Hindu in origin (quite a number of them are Buddhist, for example). The god Ashura is Japanese - in the Rigveda "Asura" is 1) a title for the gods and 2) a race of demons. [/mythology geek] Great, I'm going off-topic in my own thread.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Mimie on August 13 2006, 09:51 pm
he, i'd like to see ansty hideki. damn, i want clamp to show chii with hideki now!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on August 14 2006, 05:54 am
I agree that Chii probably won't have a big role and think the reason she was picked for that role was because she's well known to a point where even people who haven't read Chobits know who she is (that was the way it was with me.  TRC was the first CLAMP manga I read and only Chii I recognized because of different pictures I've seen.  I only knew that Syoaran and Sakura were from CCS because it says so in the summary for it).

As for if they'll go to Celes or not it's hard to say.  Does anyone remember what order the wishes were in at the beginning?  Because wishes take priority and if Fye wished not to return to Celes first then I don't think they will.  However if Syaoran wished to save Sakura first then they'll probably end up there at some point because Fye's wish of not returning there can't cancel out the wish of finding the feathers.  If they do go to Celes I doubt we'll see Hideki there unless it's a flashback.  I kinda like the idea of everyone being killed in a war except for Chii, Fye and Ashura-ou.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Ashlee on August 14 2006, 06:12 am
I agree with what you said big sis. Chii was only put there because every one know who Chii is. And it shows that this book does have cross-overs from different books CLAMP has made. But she is not as big as Sakura & Syaoran. So I bet we will only see her in flashbacks. And I know they will be Hideki. Because they have too. I love that guy, lol ^^;;
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: mela on August 14 2006, 06:40 am
Quote from: Rekall on August 14 2006, 05:54 am
I agree that Chii probably won't have a big role and think the reason she was picked for that role was because she's well known to a point where even people who haven't read Chobits know who she is (that was the way it was with me. TRC was the first CLAMP manga I read and only Chii I recognized because of different pictures I've seen. I only knew that Syoaran and Sakura were from CCS because it says so in the summary for it).

As for if they'll go to Celes or not it's hard to say. Does anyone remember what order the wishes were in at the beginning? Because wishes take priority and if Fye wished not to return to Celes first they I don't think they will. However if Syaoran wished the save Sakura first then they'll probably end up there at some point because Fye's wish of not returning there can't cancel out the wish of finding the feathers. If they do go to Celes I doubt we'll see Hideki there unless it's a flashback. I kinda like the idea of everyone being killed in a war except for Chii, Fye and Ashura-ou.

Syaoran made the wish before any of them, but he was also the first to arrive with Sakura.

Kurogane and Fai made their wishes at the exact same time, and they also pretty much arrived at the exact same time too.
(http://xs304.xs.to/xs304/06320/wishes.png.xs.jpg) (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs304&d=06320&f=wishes.png)
(click to enlarge)

But you are right, since Syaoran made the wish before the others, there is that possibility of them having to go to Celes in order to retrieve a feather, that is, if a feather indeed exists there.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on August 14 2006, 07:09 am
Ah thank you.  I knew Syaoran wished first in the anime but couldn't remember the manga.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Dayanira on August 30 2006, 12:40 am
Umm... Hey there!
Actually all this FaixChii idea has never disturbed me, cause i see not ANY chance for it. But still... Today i found THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtGuKDyZ_U
While watching it i wanted to laugh AND cry. It's just so ridiculous that i have nothing to say. Poor Hideki...
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kjesta on August 30 2006, 12:43 am
Quote from: Chiaki on August 30 2006, 12:40 am
Umm... Hey there!
Actually all this FaixChii idea has never disturbed me, cause i see not ANY chance for it. But still... Today i found THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtGuKDyZ_U
While watching it i wanted to laugh AND cry. It's just so ridiculous that i have nothing to say. Poor Hideki...

This makes me wanna laugh so hard - the FaiChii shippers don't even have enough of them both to make a AMV of about 1 minute :XD:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on September 02 2006, 12:03 pm
Quote from: Chiaki on August 30 2006, 12:40 am
Umm... Hey there!
Actually all this FaixChii idea has never disturbed me, cause i see not ANY chance for it. But still... Today i found THIS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBtGuKDyZ_U
While watching it i wanted to laugh AND cry. It's just so ridiculous that i have nothing to say. Poor Hideki...

That's so...sad. Really, it's more of a Chobits AMV than TRC. Poor Hideki, his hand has been used incorrectly, along with his home series. T.T Seriously, not only can he not have TRC!Chii, they have to take Chobits!Chii from him, too? Alas the day.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Jeannette on September 02 2006, 12:19 pm
Quote from: Capella on September 02 2006, 12:03 pm
That's so...sad. Really, it's more of a Chobits AMV than TRC. Poor Hideki, his hand has been used incorrectly, along with his home series. T.T Seriously, not only can he not have TRC!Chii, they have to take Chobits!Chii from him, too? Alas the day.
Not only that, but they used a song from Rent! T_T I'll never be able to listen to that song again without thinking of this video. >_<
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on September 02 2006, 01:24 pm
I was actually liking that video at first until it started putting Fai in.  It just seemed so choppy everytime he showed up where the Chii scenes flowed nicely together; it would have made a great Chii/Hideki AMV since they got together so well.  Fai/Chii just seems forced.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on September 02 2006, 07:34 pm
Quote from: Jeannette on September 02 2006, 12:19 pm
Not only that, but they used a song from Rent! T_T I'll never be able to listen to that song again without thinking of this video. >_<

NO!!! THE HEATHENS!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT SONG DID THEY USE?!

I bet it was 'Without You'. I LIKE THAT SONG.

GAH.

Actually, that kinda proves the lack of support behind the pairing even for CLAMP. Chi has only appeared once in Tsubasa, and the fact they have any material to go for an AMV whatsoever is because of BEE TRAIN. I love people seeing anime stuff and going 'LOL EET'S CANON'

...You wish. Bee Train does not spell CLAMP now, does it? XD
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on September 02 2006, 10:12 pm
Quote from: Becster on September 02 2006, 07:34 pm
I bet it was 'Without You'. I LIKE THAT SONG.

GAH.

Actually, that kinda proves the lack of support behind the pairing even for CLAMP. Chi has only appeared once in Tsubasa, and the fact they have any material to go for an AMV whatsoever is because of BEE TRAIN. I love people seeing anime stuff and going 'LOL EET'S CANON'

...You wish. Bee Train does not spell CLAMP now, does it? XD

It was. Poor song.

You know, they didn't actually use any of Bee-train's filler Fai/Chii in the AMV. Only their scene that was actually from the manga. Most of it was from Chobits, which just made me go "WTF."  And I agree with Rekall - the Chobits bits would make for a nice AMV, if only they didn't keep shoving the Tsubasa clips in there.

Yes. CLAMP = creators of TRC canon. Bee-train =/= CLAMP. Therefore, Bee-train =/= creators of TRC canon. QED.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on September 03 2006, 01:31 am
Quote from: Capella on September 02 2006, 10:12 pm
Yes. CLAMP = creators of TRC canon. Bee-train =/= CLAMP. Therefore, Bee-train =/= creators of TRC canon. QED.

They should teach that equation in maths lessons all across the world. I'd willingly go back and do another year of maths just to see kids learning THAT formula. LOL.

(Speaking of which: ASDFGHJKL!1!11!!SHIFTANDONE!1!11! NO MORE MATHS FOR ME. EVER!!1!111!!ELEVEN!!!)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: unglued on September 17 2006, 08:32 am
I will like to join this campaign! I've been bothered by the FyexChi pairing for a while because I think that it's fairly obvious that Fye is completely in love with Ashura-ou and not Chi (or Kurogane for the matter). I agree with whoever mentioned how Fye seems to treat her as a pet, not as a lover.

I really hate the fact that some people don't like the HidekixChi pairings because he isn't a bishie. That's just rotten! If people didn't read Chobits, I can somewhat understand that shallow mentality, but those who did, how can they think he doesn't deserve her after all he did for her? Give him a break!

Great idea, Capella-san! I'm glad your started this much needed campaign.  :)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Airashii on September 17 2006, 08:34 am
I don't think that Fai treats Chii as a pet, he isn't like that.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on September 17 2006, 08:52 am
Quote from: Airashii on September 17 2006, 08:34 am
I don't think that Fai treats Chii as a pet, he isn't like that.

Personally, I think Chi is a friend to Fai. Sort of pet-like friend, yes, but a friend nonetheless. Not a romantic partner or anything. I am under the slight impression that Fai was in love with Ashura-ou before, although I lean more towards hero-worship personally, and I think that if Chi meant a lot to him he would've tried to find a way to take her with him.

FaiChi seems about as likely to happen as... ...Chu'nyanX... ...Seishirou. *insert random pairings*

Kyaaaaaaaa. Just let me squee over HidekiXChi. FaiXChi has no logical sense.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Airashii on September 17 2006, 08:54 am
True, only Kuro/Fai and Hideki/Chii has logical sense!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: unglued on September 17 2006, 08:58 am
Quote
I think Chi is a friend to Fai. Sort of pet-like friend, yes, but a friend nonetheless.

Yeah, I agree. I think that Chi was probably the person who would listen to Fye whenever he needed to vent about something. I just get the impression that Fye was a very lonely person and that he created Chi for the sole purpose of having someone to talk to.

Quote
True, only Kuro/Fai and Hideki/Chii has logical sense!

Personally, I think Ashura-ouxFye makes a lot of logical sense, too and so does KuroganexTomoyo but that's another whole different topic. I'm still not entirely convinced about KuroganexFye, I think it's quite obvious that Fye still loves Ashura-ou.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Airashii on September 17 2006, 09:01 am
Maybe Fai still rememers Ashura-ou, but Ithink that now he likes Kurogane.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on September 17 2006, 09:03 am
Quote from: unglued on September 17 2006, 08:58 am
Personally, I think Ashura-ouxFye makes a lot of logical sense, too and so does KuroganexTomoyo but that's another whole different topic. I'm still not entirely convinced about KuroganexFye, I think it's quite obvious that Fye still loves Ashura-ou.

Having read parts of RGVeda...I'm not sure about AshuraXFai. Possibly more hero worship. I am entirely convinced on the subject of KuroFai, especially given the latest chapters and hints Clamp have smacked throughout the manga...*sigh* I love that pairing. It's been a long time since I've liked a pairing so much.

Honestly? I don't entirely get KuroganeXTomoyo, as it seems a little OOC for both of them...especially given Tomoyo's personality in CCS...but, each to their own. I have nothing against the pairing personally, it just confuses me. As I said, each to their own. >> We're all united against the lack of logical thought that is FaiChi anyway.

...Why? I don't get it. *clings to HidekiXChi*
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on September 17 2006, 09:08 am
Added you to the list, unglued. Thank you for joining. ^^ I can't take full credit for the idea - half of it goes to Becster, my co-founder.

My opinion is that both KuroFai and Fai/Ashura-ou make sense within canon as we currently know it. A lot of the more recent chapters have convinced me that KuroFai is fairly canon, but I think I'll always prefer Fai/Ashura-ou, and be more interested in that relationship. Fai/Chii of course makes no sense, for reasons we have enumerated. Chii's special person is Hideki, that is how things work in CLAMP, end of story.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Jeannette on September 17 2006, 09:13 am
Quote from: unglued on September 17 2006, 08:58 am
Personally, I think Ashura-ouxFye makes a lot of logical sense, too and so does KuroganexTomoyo but that's another whole different topic. I'm still not entirely convinced about KuroganexFye, I think it's quite obvious that Fye still loves Ashura-ou.
Yeah, I think Ashura/Fai makes sense too. I think Fai was/is in love with Ashura but that Ashura never really loved him back.

As for KuroFai... xd Well, to each his/her own. But you know, even if Fai is still in love with Ashura to an extent, that doesn't mean he isn't in love with Kurogane. In the end, whether Fai loves Ashura or not, he turned his back on him and betrayed him.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Airashii on September 17 2006, 09:14 am
Each to their own opinion...
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on September 17 2006, 09:23 am
Quote from: Becster on September 17 2006, 09:03 am
Having read parts of RGVeda...I'm not sure about AshuraXFai. Possibly more hero worship. I am entirely convinced on the subject of KuroFai, especially given the latest chapters and hints Clamp have smacked throughout the manga...*sigh* I love that pairing. It's been a long time since I've liked a pairing so much.

That explanation of Fai and Ashura-ou's relationship also makes sense to me, though I think there's something more personal, or closer than that in Fai's reactions to Ashura-ou - hero-worship makes me think of how Yasha viewed Ashura-ou in RG Veda. But speculating on the AshuFai is a rather fruitless endeavor as we have almost no leads.

Quote from: Jeannette on September 17 2006, 09:13 am
Yeah, I think Ashura/Fai makes sense too. I think Fai was/is in love with Ashura but that Ashura never really loved him back.

As for KuroFai... xd Well, to each his/her own. But you know, even if Fai is still in love with Ashura to an extent, that doesn't mean he isn't in love with Kurogane. In the end, whether Fai loves Ashura or not, he turned his back on him and betrayed him.

Ashura-ou's feelings about Fai intrigue me - I don't know what kind of sentiment it would take to get Ashura-ou, of all people, to chase one across dimensions. Or at least have one convinced that he would go to such measures. Maybe it's all in Fai's mind, and Ashura-ou won't come after him, but Fai has convinced himself otherwise for some reason. We don't know.

True. To each his/her own, and it's not like the two pairs have to be mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: unglued on September 17 2006, 09:42 am
Capella: nice to meet another Ashura-ouxFye fan! I also prefer them over KuroganexFye, who I cannot see as a romantic pair. I think they are clearly very close friends but nothing more. I really can't wait to read Fye's backstory!

Unfortunetly, I haven't read RG Veda. I was gonna purchase the first volume a couple of days ago ,but I only had money for The Scarlett Letter, which I needed for school.  :sad5:

Becster: I do see KuroganexTomoyo working. I won't state why here because this topic has nothing to do with KuroganexTomoyo but I also think it's fairly obvious that Kurogane has a crush on Tomoyo. But stil, the point of this thread is that FyexChi has no chances of happening and that it's HidekixChi all the way!

Seriously, it bothers me so bad when some of the HidekixChi fans go on and on about how Hideki doesn't deserve her because he's ugly and clumsy and Fye deserves her more because he's so hot! Ugh, wow.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on September 17 2006, 09:47 am
my opinion for fay:ashura is that it mostlikly didnt end well. ashura probably did something that made fay deathly afraid of him. hell, even the mere mention of ashrua makes fai go pale. tho IMO, those fics where ashura is fai's abuser etc...i really dont think it was THAT sinister. dark, but not THAT dark.

we really need his backstory to truely understnd it,
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on September 17 2006, 09:55 am
I definitely think there was something deep between Fai and Ashura, whether or not that something was romantic love could be debated, but I think it's a clear possibility. Their relationship has a lot of room for speculation right now, as far as I see it.

One, we know that Fai is running away from Ashura, but while this implies that he fears him (as is further proven by his reaction to his name in Sharano) it does not necessarily mean hatred or even, really, that Ashura did something bad. In fact, Fai wishes Ashura sweet dreams before he leaves, which is definitely an affectionate gesture.

I haven't read much of RG Veda, but as it's been said, Ashura really didn't seem to care for much besides his son. So thje fact that Fai seems to think Ashura will chase him is perhaps significant. Why would he?

The two most popular theories seem to be that he needs him for some reason, or he *wants* him for some reason. I don't think he's intending to kill him, but I don't think whatever he has in store for Fai will be easy to deal with since Fai is running away.

There's still the matter of all the dead bodies, which could imply that Fai and Ashura had a violent confrontation, or it could mean nothing. The fact that Fai wishes to never see Ashura again and wants to get away to a place "without" Ashura is an odd reaction to have to someone, I think. Not hostility, not a desire to defeat or get rid of Ashura or harm him in any way, just to get away from him. Personally, while it doesn't mean that one of them betrayed the other, Fai's reaction to him reminds me of someone who was betrayed.

I don't like to think of Ashura betraying Fai, or Fai betraying Ashura, but Fai is acting how I acted when I was betrayed by someone close to me. I didn't want them hurt, I just wanted to get *away* from them and never look at them again. Though, really, just because *I* felt that way doesn't mean it's the same with Fai since he's, well, a manga character and everyone reacts in different ways.

Anyway. Personally I think Kurogane/Fai is going to be the Fai-pairing in the end, especially the way their relationship is being developed in recent chapters, but as everyone's been saying, it's just an opinion. I still think that there's a large possibility of Ashura/Fai becoming canon, but I don't consider it canon juuust yet. Though I am a believer that they did have a deep, non-violent relationship.

As for KuroTomo, I agree with Becster. I personally don't see *any* romantic chemistry between them at all, but I do agree they love each other. I just don't think that they care for each other in a romantic way. Though, yes, that's just my opinion as well.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on September 17 2006, 10:21 am
I also like Fai/Ashura-ou; one of the main reasons I want Fai's past so badly is to find out just what their relationship was like.

However the thing to remember about that pairing is that they're history; Fai has moved on.  There's no doubt in my mind about Fai's feelings for Kurogane and on the flip side, Kurogane's feelings for Fai (although I doubt if Kuro-pin would ever admit it, lol).
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on September 17 2006, 10:31 am
Emiko, I agree with you 100%. There are a lot of different possibilities for Fai and Ashura-ou's relationship, but you described it all better than I could. Kudos!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on September 17 2006, 10:48 am
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Emiko, I agree with you 100%. There are a lot of different possibilities for Fai and Ashura-ou's relationship, but you described it all better than I could. Kudos!

Hehe, thanks.

And I agree with Rekall about Ashura being Fai's past. I think the a major point of Tsubasa is that people change, and while he may have been in love with Ashura, it doesn't mean that he will always be in love with him, or that he can't love anyone else. Furthermore, has anyone noticed the Tomoyo/Ashura parallels in regards to Kurogane and Fai? Kuro and Fai both served someone who, one way or another, drove them away.

Now, what that means is up for debate, but personally I agree with Rekall in saying that Ashura is in Fai's past, just as Tomoyo is in Kuro's. It doesn't mean that either of them care any less for their respective masters, but then we really need to know more about Fai's past before we can *really* explore that AshuraFai/TomoyoKurogane idea. I just thought I'd bring it up, though, since I find it interesting.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: unglued on September 17 2006, 11:49 am
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Furthermore, has anyone noticed the Tomoyo/Ashura parallels in regards to Kurogane and Fai? Kuro and Fai both served someone who, one way or another, drove them away.

But that example also works for us KuroganexTomoyo/FyexAshure fans! It's another parellel: the three male protagonists all falling in love with someone of higher ranks!

We really need some Fye backstory ASAP! I think that's the reason I'm so annoyed with the X world, and I'm hoping Sakura's mission doesn't last that long! We need to move to the next world and get Fye's backstory!  :sleepy5:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on September 17 2006, 01:05 pm
My fingers are crossed that while Sakura is on her mission, it'll keep on jumping back and forth between what she's doing and what's going on with the others because now would be the perfect time to hear Fay's backstory.

I mean they can't do anything until she returns (unless Seishirou finally shows up), Fay's weak right now and I imagine tormented by his sudden change; plus he and Kuro-tan have to spend a lot of time together due to the feedings, which I imagine is going to be fairly private as not a lot of people would want to watch (although Fuuma might, simply to see if he could pick up new ways of seducing Kamui ^_~).  I can see him finally telling Kuro his story, especially since it was an issue before the whole mess with Clonie started and it's related to why Fay didn't care if he died.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on September 17 2006, 08:04 pm
Quote from: Emiko on September 17 2006, 09:55 am
Anyway. Personally I think Kurogane/Fai is going to be the Fai-pairing in the end, especially the way their relationship is being developed in recent chapters, but as everyone's been saying, it's just an opinion. I still think that there's a large possibility of Ashura/Fai becoming canon, but I don't consider it canon juuust yet. Though I am a believer that they did have a deep, non-violent relationship.

As for KuroTomo, I agree with Becster. I personally don't see *any* romantic chemistry between them at all, but I do agree they love each other. I just don't think that they care for each other in a romantic way. Though, yes, that's just my opinion as well.

One of the main themes of Tsubasa is change, so I believe that either way, Kurogane and Fai will have changed and moved on. Personally, I don't believe Kurogane harboured any romantic feelings for Tomoyo, but I do believe he cares for her (in his own stubborn ninja way XD), but even if he did have feelings for her, he's been sent away with the whole idea of change in mind; Finding a true reason to fight, or person to fight for, and to quell his blood lust. If Kurogane and Tomoyo had loved each other, I believe she wouldn't've had to send him away because he would've been willing to change for her. But he didn't, so she had to send him away.

Same with Fai, he's moving on, and it's been proven how much he's changed. Even if he did love Ashura before (I'm still not sure on that, but I agree they had a deep relationship), he's changed and moved on. I don't think he'd love Ashura anymore now...

But, sliding back on topic: What I don't like is the fact that Hideki is completely disregarded in the FaiChi pairing. I don't know a thing about Angelic Layer, but when Kaede and Sai popped up in Tsubasa I did a little check on them and their series to see if there was any background information. It's not that difficult to do...Chi is already canonly paired with Hideki, and it's a very popular pairing (hell, I love it.) so why would Clamp suddenly change it? It's not going to happen, and I really like Hideki as a character so it's sad to see him completely forgotten in favour of character Chi will never be with...
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Tricky on September 19 2006, 02:05 pm
I would like to join as well. Chii certainly doesn't belong with Fai..in a love-love way, I mean. ...what do I do?
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on September 19 2006, 09:15 pm
Quote from: Tricky on September 19 2006, 02:05 pm
I would like to join as well. Chii certainly doesn't belong with Fai..in a love-love way, I mean. ...what do I do?

You're in! Thanks for joining! I'll just add you to the list, now. If you want, you can put the banner in your sig., or just a line of text like "Proud Member of the Remember Hideki Campaign" (a number of members have that), or something else. You don't have to if you don't want to, though.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Tricky on September 20 2006, 05:25 am
Got it! Thank you very much!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Moro-dashi on September 30 2006, 11:15 am
Sign me up!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on October 02 2006, 06:53 am
Quote from: Moro-dashi on September 30 2006, 11:15 am
Sign me up!

Right! Thank you for supporting Hideki! ^_^
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 10 2006, 09:43 am
Ack...rip out my heart and stomp on it...lol,  jk.... I do agree ChiHideki is a cute couple...but here are just my thoughts....1] new world, can also equal new couple....[after all, Shougo and Primela-chan got together, didnt they ^^] and 2] we honestly dont know what Fai's past is....so you cant doubt of the possibility now, right?

I'll admit, KuroFai is a possibily....but so is KuroTomo or FaiChi, we really wont know til the end....also, cant some fans hope? ^^ I mean...I still see SakuraYukito and SyaoranEriol fans out there! Even though their couples are canon...just stating my thoughts....after all, different opinions is what makes things interesting, right?

Edit: And about the Beetrain thing....well, Clamp really didnt complain about ep 32, did they? Goes to show they werent really bothered by it.... plus, it was a cute ep, perfect ep for the introduction of DreamScape ^^
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on November 10 2006, 10:25 am
Well, just because Clamp doesn't  say anything about an episode doesn't mean they aren't bothered by it. They haven't really said much about Tsubasa as a whole other than the fact that they weren't happy about it.

And  I really, really feel that FaiChii won't happen because Chi is Hideki's soulmate. Yes, Shougo and Primera got together, but Primera wasn't in love with anyone who loved her back, thus she hadn't found a soulmate in MKR. She had a crush on Lantis, but he in no way returned her feelings. The whole point of Tsubasa is that soulmates are together on every world: Arashi and Sorata, Yasha and Ashura, etc. So while I agree that people can ship FaiChii all they want (free fandom, after all, people can ship FaixFuuma for all it really matters) I can't see it ever happening. Chii spent 8 volumes searching for her soulmate, and Clamp hasn't split up any of their main couples.

I really do think that KuroFai is the pairing that the recent chapters have been leaning towards, but that doesn't mean nobody can ship KuroTomo either. I just don't see it as anything but platonic, personally, especially with Tomoyo being so obsessed with Sakura. That's just my opinion, I'm not attacking you for liking them or anything. I just personally find that pairing...icky? Personal preference I guess, lol.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on November 10 2006, 11:14 am
Quote from: Kazemon15 on November 10 2006, 09:43 am
Ack...rip out my heart and stomp on it...lol,  jk.... I do agree ChiHideki is a cute couple...but here are just my thoughts....1] new world, can also equal new couple....[after all, Shougo and Primela-chan got together, didnt they ^^] and 2] we honestly dont know what Fai's past is....so you cant doubt of the possibility now, right?

I'll admit, KuroFai is a possibily....but so is KuroTomo or FaiChi, we really wont know til the end....also, cant some fans hope? ^^ I mean...I still see SakuraYukito and SyaoranEriol fans out there! Even though their couples are canon...just stating my thoughts....after all, different opinions is what makes things interesting, right?

Edit: And about the Beetrain thing....well, Clamp really didnt complain about ep 32, did they? Goes to show they werent really bothered by it.... plus, it was a cute ep, perfect ep for the introduction of DreamScape ^^

Even if CLAMP wasn't bothered by ep.32, that doesn't mean they support Fai/Chii. After all, they don't have a problem with the Angelic Layer anime (at least it looks that way from their interviews), and that has completely different pairings from the manga. Possibly, like many other manga-ka, they see the anime as a totally separate work from their manga.

But anyway. I hope we haven't insulted you by our anti-Fai/Chii sentiments. We are mostly in agreement with each other on this issue, so we can get carried away. I don't have problem if you like the pairing, but I do believe that it is not at all canon, and that people should acknowledge that because there really is a lot of evidence against it, and as far as I can see no evidence for it. If you think otherwise, please, feel free to explain (no sarcasm intended). Like you said, different opinions are interesting.

Emiko explained the whole CLAMP soulmates situation as regards Fai/Chii v. Shougo/Primera. I suppose under that rule there could be some room for one-sided romantic interest between Fai and Chii, all other arguements aside.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 10 2006, 11:23 am
Oh no offense taken....however, I do feel a bit insulted about the comment about the AMV....that person worked hard on it as far as we would know, so posting something like that to put down is somewhat rude.....my opinion...since I have seen sucky AMVs but as far as we know, ppl try their best....
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on November 10 2006, 11:56 am
Hm, looking back, the bit with the AMV is probably an example of us getting rather carried away. I apologize for the rudeness. u.u
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 10 2006, 12:07 pm
Yeah, I sort of know the feeling when you get carried away...if its something you don't like, first instinct is to attack it....but you have to remember to be curtius to other ppl ^^ I too sometimes want to post arguments, but hold back, knowing its your own belief and I know the feeling of being stomped on....real world stuff, for instance, I'm hard of hearing and often get stomped on a lot.....
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Arcademan on November 10 2006, 12:38 pm
Gee...slight disagreement going on here. I'm surprised...NOT!!!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 10 2006, 01:35 pm
Quote from: Arcademan on November 10 2006, 12:38 pm
Gee...slight disagreement going on here. I'm surprised...NOT!!!

What's that supposed to mean? Im sorry to say if you mean otherwise, but that felt like an insult...

Edit: ....And....I just have one thing to say to support what I think ...this is Tsubasa....not Chobits....if this were a Chobits forum, I'd say ^^ Sure! Hideki and Chi all the way! ...but it's not....Im just stating what I think...in Tsubasa, Chi doesnt even know Hideki...and it seems to me, in Tsubasa...Fai is Chi's most important person.....
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Arcademan on November 10 2006, 02:24 pm
Let's just say this thread had some probs in the past on how people viewed this particular subject and how opinions were becoming a point of arguments.

And if it starts happening again in this thread, it will be shut down, whether anyone agrees or disagree.

So please...play nice.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 10 2006, 02:29 pm
Sorry, new here, didnt know.....not trying to cause an argument...Capella said if I have any thought/evidence, I could be free to explain them...so Im doing just that...
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: mela on November 10 2006, 02:36 pm
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and it seems to me, in Tsubasa...Fai is Chi's most important person.....

Can you explain this further? Why do you feel that way?
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Arcademan on November 10 2006, 02:37 pm
It's all cool. No harm done. Please...feel free to express opinions about it. Personally, I'd love to see Hideki make an appearance in TRC, especially since many other aspects of Chobits had already appeared in TRC...maybe a slightly alternate world based on Chobits where Hideki has a persocom by the name of...Freya?!! Now that would be a sinister twist :D
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: anbu moo on November 10 2006, 02:53 pm
hehe.. new here, but this topic seems interesting. :D

Personally, i can't really see fayxchii... in fact, even less than i see fayxsakura. for both sakura and chii, fay is sort of like a father/big brother/mother figure, and i like it that way. besides, fay "made" chii, right? so... .. it'd be a cute pairing though.. :D

kuroxtomoyo... i can see that happening. - -

as for fayxkuro... well, i can see it happening (especially with all the vampire stuff and all).. but at the same time, i can't. when i look at fay, the only pairing i see him ever having is fayxashura. - - for some strange reason, my impression of fay is that he'll wind up without a pairing, but great friends with everyone, probably because he was betrayed so harshly in the past that he no longer entrusts his feelings with anyone. this opinion will probably change in the future, cause clamp has this strange talent of inserting 50,000 plot twists at once. - -
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 10 2006, 02:56 pm
Quote from: mela on November 10 2006, 02:36 pm
Can you explain this further? Why do you feel that way?

Well, first off...the way she looks at him, that look of concern....she's always watching him, in case someone didnt notice
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/Kazemon15/tsubasa01_c002_11.png)

And also...when Fai was rambling, she was curious, of course, she was worried about him...but he hugged her to take her mind off her worry
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/Kazemon15/tsubasa01_c002_13.png)

Next, when Fai asked if he could change her, she agreed without hesitation, which must mean she trusts him well enough to do that, which I think is proof of importance.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/Kazemon15/tsubasa01_c002_15.png)

And when Fai did change her...he had this sympethatic regretful look.....
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/Kazemon15/tsubasa01_c002_17.png)

I hope that is proof enough to say Fai is Chi's important person in Tsubasa...

Edit: And also, proof Chibits Chi is not Tsubasa Chi...in CLAMP drawings, Chobits Chi had white/gray hair....in the Delux cover of Tsubasa manga, Tsubasa Chi is drawn as a blonde...there must be a reason for this difference.
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/Kazemon15/untitled.jpg)(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/Kazemon15/039.jpg)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Mairi on November 10 2006, 07:55 pm
Fai might be important to Chi (I mean, he did create her) but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's her "Someone just for me" or whatever it is. Chi's someone just for her would not turn her into a tarp/net thing covering some man, and then leave that world with no intention to return there, right? Hideki would never have done something like that.

Throughout Chobits, Chi acts affectionate to just about everyone she comes across, and she's far too trusting for her own good (and ends up being kidnapped because of it). She has to be told that glomping people is bad after tackling the manager, right? XD

So, while he is important to Chi, Fai is not the someone just for her. Hideki loves Chi, Chi loves Hideki (she spent 8 volumes figuring that out, after all) so massively established couples like that don't just get forgotten easily by Clamp, I think. Sakura's still with Syaoran, Yasha is still hanging around Ashura(the younger one), Fuuma and Kamui are still connected, as are Subaru and Seishirou.

...also it's been like, 130 chapters without Fai thinking about Chi at all (and he's thinking about Ashura quiiiite a bit) so I don't think he has the qualifications to be Chi's special someone. I've wondered occasionally if Fai's issue is the same as Chi's in that *he* needs to find his someone just for him (Kurogane). XD

(aside from that topic I'm supporting the Remember Hideki Campaign, by the way... I actually liked Chobits quite a bit.)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: mela on November 10 2006, 08:13 pm
Maybe I am not seeing the hair color thing, because they both look the same to me. Even  Fai, Syaoran, and Sakura's haircolor differs slightly from colored page to colored page, doesn't mean they are different people.

Plus, Chii is Chii. Just because she looks a bit different doesn't mean anything. Subaru and Kamui are not vampires OR brothers in X, doesn't mean they aren't Subaru and Kamui in Tsubasa despite that. Syaoran and Sakura aren't teenagers from a desert country, but they are still Syaoran and Sakura. Tomoyo isn't a magic using princess but she is still Tomoyo. No one contests that, so why would it be different for Chii?
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: kixie on November 10 2006, 09:12 pm
Just to add to Mela's point Clamp made a point of stating that the even though there are different worlds with the characters having different lives, they are still the same soul. So even though that is a Chi from another world, she still has the same soul as the Chi from Chobits.

You can then bring in the soulmates thing which is paramount to any Clamp manga and they have yet to split any pairing up, so how can the soul have two different soulmates... Shougo doesn't count he was only in the X movie...

I do certainly agree that Fai is very very important to Chi, as a creator, Fai's probably the only person she knows and the one person who helped her through life and there's no doubt that Fai cares for her since he did create her and therefore has responsibilities and feelings of adoration towards her. Don't get me wrong I love the interaction between Fai and Chi I think they are adorable together, but to think of them as anymore... I can't - unless Clamp surprise us all at the end, which if they do then fine, they are cute.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on November 10 2006, 10:33 pm
Disagreement...? I thought we were having a polite debate.

Anyway, yeah, gotta agree with everyone. Chii's soul is the same in Tsubasa, so it makes sense that she'd love the same person.  And honestly, Hideki would treat Chii so much better than Fai would. Hideki would never have turned her into a pool cover and left her behind.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 03:16 am
I DO supoort Hideki, I love the HidekiChi pairings in Chobits.........but...^^ no offense, I havent seen Hideki in all 17 volumes of Tsubasa, have you?
It is true, Chi is very naive.....but think of it this way.....you said it's possible Fai is Chi's important person in Tsubasa, right? In Chobits, she saw Hideki as her important person.....she always thought of him....now I dont think that would change in Tsubasa....if Hideki were to suddenly come along, someone she didnt know, she wouldnt go with him right? She would think of Fai, since it is her nature to think of her important person....
I do agree Fai has been thinking of Ashura quiet a bit....but that's because Ashura is connected to something so dreadful in his past that he cant help but think of him....just like Kurogane to Tomoyo [no offense KuroFai fans!} ...I seen her pop up a few times when his past or something is revealed, so of course Fai would think of Ashura...^^
Anyway, dont wanna cause argument....after all, we're all general Tsubasa fans, we like it one way or another right? ^_^

And in turns of Fai leaving her.....if he was in captivity all his life, of course he would be a bit selfish....no offense to Fai..IM SORRY, FAI, FOR CALLING YOU SELFISH! ::hugs Fai plushie::

Edit: ..and I just thought of something.....didnt Freya fall in love with her creator,, which we consider is her dad? ^^ ....CLAMP pretty much supports EVERYTHING, so it's very hard to tell which direction they're going....they support childadult relationships [RikaTereda, ShinboTakako] they support yaoi [SubaruSeishiro] ...not sure about Yuri.....and incest....hmm.....I am not sure about that, but if you think Tomoyo is lesbian [no offense to Tomoyofans] then it would be incest if she loves Sakura since they're cousins...
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: ChosenExiled on November 11 2006, 03:58 am
Chi is capable of loving anyone. Chi fall in love with Hideki in Chobits because by fate that Hideki found her first. It seemed like her OS program with free thoughts and emotions allowed her to get attached to Hideki but that was because he found her first. Like AI: Artifical Intelligence, the boy was given to a certain mother and he got attached to her with free thoughts and emotions. If the boy was given to a different nice mother, he would be attached to her too. So let's say, if Shougo found Chi first and treated her nicely, Chi would be with him. However, Fai is the one who created Chi and HIdeki was nowhere to be found. So Fai is Chi's first person she would probably see and his important person just as Freya is her father's first person she sees and her father became her most important person. Beside, no matter how many proof there are in other manga or the mentioning of the same soul, Tsubasa characters are different. Seishiro maybe would not be gay in Tsubasa, do you see him mentioned he's gay? All I seen is that Subaru seemed to have hatred for Seishiro. (Could be look like that for a reader who don't read X or Tokyo Babylon). A friend of mine read and watched Tsubasa and he didn't assume or never thought Seishiro was gay because he never read X/1999 and Tokyo Babylon.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sandra-chan on November 11 2006, 04:05 am
Quote from: ChosenExiled on November 11 2006, 03:58 am
Chi is capable of loving anyone.

That's true but still I belive she don't love Fai in a romantic way.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 04:10 am
Quote from: Sandra-chan on November 11 2006, 04:05 am
That's true but still I belive she don't love Fai in a romantic way.

^^ That's your point of view....you cant see them together.....however, my point of view, I can see them together.....each to their own opinion. :D
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sandra-chan on November 11 2006, 04:15 am
Yeah and I respect your opinion too  :okay: .
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: kixie on November 11 2006, 04:24 am
Quote from: ChosenExiled on November 11 2006, 03:58 am
Seishiro maybe would not be gay in Tsubasa, do you see him mentioned he's gay? All I seen is that Subaru seemed to have hatred for Seishiro.

... He never said he was gay in either Tokyo Babylon or X either, remember this is Clamp they don't confirm couples like this or their sexuality, it's all up to the fans how they interpret the story.

Saying all that, FaiChi are a gorgeous coupling and I can see ChosenExile's and Kazemon15's argument that Hideki has not appeared in Tsubasa and I can agree that Fai is an important person to Chi because he was probably the first one she saw. I also hope that we get to see Chi in the manga later on as I love their interaction... but I can't see it as true love.

But I respect your opinion and I love debating this
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 04:28 am
Quote from: kixie on November 11 2006, 04:24 am
But I respect your opinion and I love debating this

Me too ^^ it was fun....Im just glad I could summit my opinion...Hideki and Chi are cute together, but so are Fai and Chi...and you're right...O_O Chi does need to appear more! APPEAR MORE KAWAII CHI! I WANNA SEE YOU GO...CHIIIIII! lol
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: ChosenExiled on November 11 2006, 04:29 am
Quote from: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 04:28 am
O_O Chi does need to appear more! APPEAR MORE KAWAII CHI! I WANNA SEE YOU GO...CHIIIIII! lol

You just took the words out of my mouth.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sabbe-chan on November 11 2006, 04:35 am
I think Chi's feelings towards Fai is a little bit stronger than his feelings for her. Some of her feelings might be romantic but I think that their relationship's more based on trust. I can't help it, but I'd find it a bit weird if they would become a pair. I just can't se Chi with anyone else than Hideki. Besides, I respect all of you who don't share my wiew. :keke:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 04:37 am
And also, to support the HidekiChi pairing, I'll make a music video of Chobits...^^ With the song "Imagin Me Without You" by Jaci Velasquez. ...a request from a friend, and will start as soon as I get footage!

And can anyone be openminded and watch my TRC couple tribute? I know not the pairing you like, but even some KuroFai fans watched it and thought it was cute....

Song I'M With You by Avril Lavinge seems fitting....since the lyric..."I don't know who you are, but I'm with you..."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E5BX_gAoXpM
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on November 11 2006, 05:10 am
I'm not going to comment on any of this, I've made my feelings clear on the whole issue before, so I don't need to reaffirm it. ^_^

Kazemon15, sorry if it's seemed like everyone's against you. We're not. We're not cruel - especially not on purpose - and we all agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you wanna ship Fai/Chi and Kuro/Tomo, we're not going to point our fingers and you and ban you from doing so. I apologise if you've felt like we've been picking on you. We certainly don't mean to.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sabbe-chan on November 11 2006, 05:16 am
That's right. Everyone is more than welcome to share their opinion with the rest of us without being picked on. I like to hear everyone elses thoughts and wiews. That's what makes it fun to discuss and talk here.  :D
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on November 11 2006, 05:17 am
No offense or anything (I like debating this too!) I don't think that Hideki not showing up for 17 volumes means anything. Chii has only shown up once during all 17 volumes as well. Though I agree with Becster, I hope you don't feel like we're picking on you! I enjoy the debate that's going on here, it's really livened up the thread!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on November 11 2006, 05:20 am
Quote from: Emiko on November 11 2006, 05:17 am
Though I agree with Becster, I hope you don't feel like we're picking on you! I enjoy the debate that's going on here, it's really livened up the thread!

That's certainly true!! We like defending what we think, so post away! Debates are fun, and we don't mean any harm by it.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 05:21 am
No picking, everyone has their own opinions... ^^ ..just wanted to prove some points....because some ppl I noticed said it wasnt possible because Fai made Chi? ....Didnt Freya's father make her and she fell in love? O_o ....just wanted to clear that up...and like I said, I'll be making that video as soon as I "borrow" [AHEM*STEAL*AHEM]" the DVDs from my friend....hehhe

Anyway.....just because they may not be canon or anything doesnt mean we cant stop making cute music videos like these!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cA1AzgkiM8o

Not made by me, the one made my me is in the other link on my other post....
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Becster on November 11 2006, 05:27 am
Quote from: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 05:21 am
Anyway.....just because they may not be canon or anything doesnt mean we cant stop making cute music videos like these!

Exactly. Just because something isn't canon, doesn't mean you can't ship/write fanfictions/make AMVs about them. That's what having a fandom is all about - having fun with the pairing you like!
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: kixie on November 11 2006, 05:30 am
Absolutely, this is best part about having a forum where everyone has different opinions and more people need to stand up for their pairings as this forum can be a bit overwhelming with all the KuroFai fans.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 05:40 am
Quote from: kixie on November 11 2006, 05:30 am
more people need to stand up for their pairings as this forum can be a bit overwhelming with all the KuroFai fans.

heh I agree with that...mostly, I think ppl dont stand up is because about maybe 80 or 90% of fangirls are KuroFai fans and they're terrified...O_O .....I know my friend, who's a KuroTomo fan, is terrified to post anymore....this was on another forum, but due to one extremely rude fan girl, he was shot down, crushed and sceward....and the other fans didnt exactly respect his desicion....and knowing him since middle school, all his life, his thoughts have been shot down by his own PARENTS.....so being shot down by ppl who like the same anime you do...is just....very sad....

You'd think you'd find more comfort with ppl who like the same thing, you know...?

Edit: Like no offense to Becster's signature, but some ppl find that quote rather offensive.....since you're talking about polietly accepting....then it seems you're turning back and biting us back with full force.....Im sorry if you didnt mean it to be offensive, but....you know...
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sakaki on November 11 2006, 06:15 am
Quote from: Arcademan on November 10 2006, 02:24 pm
And if it starts happening again in this thread, it will be shut down, whether anyone agrees or disagree.

Last I checked *I* was the moderator of this thread, and I'm fully capable of deciding if and when a thread will be locked in this section. At the moment I see no fighting, only regular forum members going out of their way to be polite to a couple of new people with different opinions.

Quote from: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 03:16 am
I am not sure about that, but if you think Tomoyo is lesbian [no offense to Tomoyofans] then it would be incest if she loves Sakura since they're cousins...

Please be careful about putting up posts containing comments like this. Why would anyone be offended with Tomoyo being a lesbian? Would people apologize for describing Syaoran as straight?

Kazemon15, your last post is getting off the topic. I have seen nothing but people in this forum being extremely polite in regard to your views. I also don't see anything offensive about Becster's signature. Like everyone has said, we are all entitled to our opinions, don't make something that so far has been polite and friendly into an 'us vs. them' situation.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 06:19 am
Quote from: Sakaki on November 11 2006, 06:15 am

Kazemon15, your last post is getting off the topic. I have seen nothing but people in this forum being extremely polite in regard to your views. I also don't see anything offensive about Becster's signature. Like everyone has said, we are all entitled to our opinions, don't make something that so far has been polite and friendly into an 'us vs. them' situation.

Ah sorry about that, I meant no offense to anyone, just responded my opinion to why other pairing fans always keep quiet about stuff like this...I agree it is fun to debate on their own opinions, but it wont be fun if ppl keep quiet....so I was just explaining my reasons why ppl dont go outshouting their fav couples....sorry if I offended anyone...I dont wanna offend! Im honestly a nice person! ..Im like a girl version of Syaoran who's too nice for his own good! ):
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Touei on November 11 2006, 06:28 am
I guess I might as well post this, since I spent ten minutes typing it (Hooray for slow typing), even though some of it probably isnt relevant anymore. .__.

I personally dont see why people aren't allowed to defend their pairings anymore (in a reasonable debate). If you're in a minority you still have a right to talk about your own opinions, but the majority also has a right. It isnt "ganging up", it's just the fact that more people are trying to defend the same thing.

I dont like to get involved in pairing discussions, because I know that in the end I'll get far too defensive. Same reason I stay away from the TsubasaChronicle.net forums.

IMO, FaixChi has no chance of happening - unless Chi turns out to be her sister (Freya? I always get those two mixed up. Need to reread Chobits sometime soon.). And from the few pages of Chi-canon we actually have she wasnt really behaving like Freya.

And the great thing about being in a fandom-centered community is the discussions and debates. People aren't always going to agree - even within a fandom. At the end of the day, if you dont like being overwhelmed by people supporting a rival ship or theory, dont join the debate in the first place. There's plenty to talk about without getting into a heated argument about who's going to end up with who. And anyway, should we really be labeling each other by which ship *cough* floats our boat? Isn't that just prejudiced? Outside of ship debate threads, it shouldn't make much difference.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on November 11 2006, 08:38 am
Quote from: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 03:16 am
.^^ no offense, I havent seen Hideki in all 17 volumes of Tsubasa, have you?

No offense, but  I haven't seen Chii in the last 133 chapters of TRC, have you? ^^

And IF we see her again it's going to be when she goes splat when Ashura-ou wakes up.  A beautiful moment indeed;  It's been far too long since they've given us a violent and bloody death.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Arcademan on November 11 2006, 08:49 am
Quote from: Sakaki on November 11 2006, 06:15 am
Last I checked *I* was the moderator of this thread, and I'm fully capable of deciding if and when a thread will be locked in this section. At the moment I see no fighting, only regular forum members going out of their way to be polite to a couple of new people with different opinions.

Which may be true but you'd be surprised on what I'm capable of doing. Besides, eveything's all kosher here...no problems whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on November 11 2006, 09:56 am
Quote from: Rekall on November 11 2006, 08:38 am
And IF we see her again it's going to be when she goes splat when Ashura-ou wakes up.  A beautiful moment indeed;  It's been far too long since they've given us a violent and bloody death.

Well, we don't really know that Ashura-ou would do anything to Chii. It's a possibility, though. I wouldn't wish it on Chii, particularly considering she hasn't done anything but let herself be turned into an alarm system, but I do miss the bloody violent deaths.

To respond a couple other debate points:

I also don't think it matters that this isn't Chobits - all the past evidence still shows that CLAMP doesn't separate couples. Chii doesn't feel about Fai the same way she felt about Hideki - remember how distressed she would get in Chobits about the idea of being without Hideki, and compare that to how she responds when Fai says he's leaving. She's completely fine with the idea.

Yes, Freya was in love with her creator - but that didn't end well, so I don't think it actually stands in support of Fai/Chii, though I doubt CLAMP would ever be stopped from doing a couple by some taboo -they've done incest, pedophilia, abuse and just general screwed up before. However, they have yet to break the soulmate rule in Tsubasa.

I'm pretty sure that when Fai is looking regretful in the Celes scene, he's not looking at Chii. He's looking past Chii into the water at Ashura-ou. After all, he addresses his next line to Ashura-ou from the same position with the same expression. So, I don't think that was a reaction to changing Chii's form.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 10:00 am
Quote from: Capella on November 11 2006, 09:56 am

I'm pretty sure that when Fai is looking regretful in the Celes scene, he's not looking at Chii. He's looking past Chii into the water at Ashura-ou. After all, he addresses his next line to Ashura-ou from the same position with the same expression. So, I don't think that was a reaction to changing Chii's form.

Hmm I dunno...he looks like he's looking at Chi, I mean, after all, he is touching the Chi net with that sympathetic look....but as I said before, each to their own...and one can only hope right?

Plus, it is possible he could be looking at both sympetatically, right? We honestly dont know.
Quote from: Rekall on November 11 2006, 08:38 am

And IF we see her again it's going to be when she goes splat when Ashura-ou wakes up. A beautiful moment indeed; It's been far too long since they've given us a violent and bloody death.

Ack! How cruel....she did nothing wrong! Just by reading that I can imagin it...Poor Chi! O_O
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on November 11 2006, 10:12 am
It isn't entirely clear, true. My impression was that he was touching the Chii net but looking past her. Then again, there's nothing saying he couldn't be responding to both Chii's and Ashura-ou's predicaments with a similar emotion, though I personally am not inclined to believe so. That scene is part of why my preferred Fai pairing is Fai/Ashura-ou (though I don't necessarily believe said pairing is canon, I think the possibility is there). Naturally, we can all hope. ^_^
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Rekall on November 11 2006, 10:15 am
Quote from: Capella on November 11 2006, 09:56 am
Well, we don't really know that Ashura-ou would do anything to Chii. It's a possibility, though. I wouldn't wish it on Chii, particularly considering she hasn't done anything but let herself be turned into an alarm system, but I do miss the bloody violent deaths.

Oh sure, we don't know if that'll happen or not but she is blocking his escape route so I can see him doing it even if he doesn't necessary want to (because he's not evil!).  Nothing against Chii, I just want my violent death and the character I hate the most hasn't shown up yet.

Although I'm down if she lived and eventually got taken to Nihon with Kuro-pin and Fay for when they settled down and she got to be their daughter and eventually met a Hideki in that world.

Quote
Ack! How cruel....she did nothing wrong! Just by reading that I can imagin it...Poor Chi! O_O
*shrugs* Plenty of other characters have done nothing wrong and been killed off by CLAMP.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 10:16 am
That is true....after all, whether or not we all support the same pairings, we're still general Tsubasa fans....we can only hope and wait for the truth.....

For some reason, Im thinking of some season 3 filler ep where they go to Chobits world and Fai supports Hideki all the way...lol
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Arcademan on November 11 2006, 10:18 am
Chii's purpose is to sleep until the time if and when Ashura awakens. What happens from there on is pure speculation. Knowing CLAMP, it most likely will involve somebody losing their eye over it :tongue:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 10:20 am
Quote from: Arcademan on November 11 2006, 10:18 am
Chii's purpose is to sleep until the time if and when Ashura awakens. What happens from there on is pure speculation. Knowing CLAMP, it most likely will involve somebody losing their eye over it :tongue:

LOL Got that right...Clamp and their eye thing.....

Quote from: Rekall on November 11 2006, 10:15 am
*shrugs* Plenty of other characters have done nothing wrong and been killed off by CLAMP.

....TRUE.....like poor Kotori.....man........ poor CLAMP characters.....so used....so manipulated.....oh well....lol
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on November 11 2006, 10:32 am
Quote from: Rekall on November 11 2006, 10:15 am
Oh sure, we don't know if that'll happen or not but she is blocking his escape route so I can see him doing it even if he doesn't necessary want to (because he's not evil!).  Nothing against Chii, I just want my violent death and the character I hate the most hasn't shown up yet.

Although I'm down if she lived and eventually got taken to Nihon with Kuro-pin and Fay for when they settled down and she got to be their daughter and eventually met a Hideki in that world.
*shrugs* Plenty of other characters have done nothing wrong and been killed off by CLAMP.

Heh, I'm not saying she wouldn't/shouldn't get killed because she hasn't done anything wrong (this is CLAMP) - just that I personally wouldn't actively wish her dead with that in mind. But if Chii tried to stop Ashura-ou from chasing Fai and it's really that important to him, yeah, I'd say her chances of survival would be dropping pretty fast. Ashura-ou: Evil? No. Willing to make...sacrifices for what he wants? Yes (but not without angst).

Edit: Oops, I didn't see who was responding to whom. Stupid me.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 10:39 am
Poor Chi, she'd probably do anything to keep Ashura-ou away from Fai....anyway....to conclude this argument, I do support HidekiChi....in Chobits....just not in Tsubasa...and I have a question...if I make a HidekiChi AMV, would it be alright to post it here? For all you HidekiChi fans...
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Capella on November 11 2006, 10:49 am
Quote from: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 10:39 am
Poor Chi, she'd probably do anything to keep Ashura-ou away from Fai....anyway....to conclude this argument, I do support HidekiChi....in Chobits....just not in Tsubasa...and I have a question...if I make a HidekiChi AMV, would it be alright to post it here? For all you HidekiChi fans...

I, for one, would love to see a Hideki/Chii AMV if you made one.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on November 11 2006, 10:54 am
Yup, I think that this thread would be a great spot to post it, since it's basically in favour of HidekiChii.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 11:06 am
Ah okay ^^ ........::sweatdrop:: Don't suppose you know where I can post a FaiChi amv I'm planning to make also, do you?
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: mela on November 11 2006, 11:19 am
Probably the TRC Fan Creations board in a new thread.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 11:30 am
Okay, thx...though, I doubt anyone would watch it.....
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Arcademan on November 11 2006, 11:32 am
Post it in the TRC Fan Creation Thread, then post a link to it here so that people can take a look at it :wink:
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: mela on November 11 2006, 12:04 pm
But this isn't the right thread for it to be linked in...
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Arcademan on November 11 2006, 12:07 pm
Quote from: mela on November 11 2006, 12:04 pm
But this isn't the right thread for it to be linked in...

She can make a comment in this thread about the topic at hand, then while doing it, quietly slip in the link. No harm in that. Cool?
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 12:15 pm
Yeah ^^ well I was just asking for the FaiChi link should go.....but for all the HidekiChi fans, I'm going to post it here ^^ For the "Remember Hideki" forum, a HidekiChi AMV with the song "Imagin Me Without You"
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: mela on November 11 2006, 01:13 pm
I still don't think it should be posted in this thread because that isn't what this thread is for. It's like me going to post Syaoran/Sakura stuff in a Kuro/Fai thread... it doesn't make sense. But whatever, I am not going to argue further over this, you can go ahead and have your last word as you feel you must.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Camille on November 13 2006, 04:59 pm
Quote from: Kazemon15 on November 11 2006, 12:15 pm
Yeah ^^ well I was just asking for the FaiChi link should go.....but for all the HidekiChi fans, I'm going to post it here ^^ For the "Remember Hideki" forum, a HidekiChi AMV with the song "Imagin Me Without You"

I don't understand why you would post something Fay/Chii in a HIDEKI/CHII thread.  This thread blatantly states that it is in favor of Hideki/Chii.  I don't think anyone would appreciate it if I posted fanart, fanfiction, or links to AMVs about KuroFay in a KuroTomo or a FayChii thread.  Common sense.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sakaki on November 14 2006, 03:30 am
I agree.  Please post your fan videos in the TRC fan creations topic you have already made.
People who make a video that directly relates to the relevent topic of a thread could also mention it there, as long as it doesn't interfere with discussion.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: tsumibito on November 22 2006, 05:21 am
I prefer Kuro/Fai (and see the manga going in that direction) but I wouldn’t particularly mind Kuro/Tomoyo and/or Ashura-ou/Fai instead. The one pairing that I really can’t stand (obviously, since I’m in this thread) is Fai/Chii. Even if I knew nothing about Chobits, it still would make no sense. Fai turns her into a net, leaves her protecting a man he’s running away from, makes a wish to never return to his country, and never once thinks about her after that. It’s even to kind to say that he loves her like family.

The whole Chobits matter makes the pairing unbearable, though. Hideki/Chii wasn’t my favorite pairing (there were several more interesting characters) but a whole series was based on their developing relationship. Why would that be broken up? Especially when CLAMP, if they wanted Fai to have a romance with a creation, could have used Freya, who is both without a soulmate and has a creator complex. No, CLAMP isn’t going to break up couples – they’ve kept all of their soulmates together so far (Shouga/Primera doesn’t count.) So why would they just pick and choose which pairings stay together? It doesn’t make sense. I'm really defensive in this area, since I'm reading the series mostly for the crossover side characters.

On Chii’s side, she shows some sort of gratitude for Fai making her, and some confusion, but none of the heartbreak she felt when she though about Hideki leaving her. Also, Hideki not being shown so far doesn’t mean anything, as we haven’t seen Chii either.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kazemon15 on November 22 2006, 05:54 am
Quote from: tsumibito on November 22 2006, 05:21 am
The one pairing that I really can’t stand (obviously, since I’m in this thread) is Fai/Chii. Even if I knew nothing about Chobits, it still would make no sense. Fai turns her into a net, leaves her protecting a man he’s running away from, makes a wish to never return to his country, and never once thinks about her after that. It’s even to kind to say that he loves her like family.

Well, human nature is indeed to be selfish [sorry, Fai, for calling you selfish!] And it's only natural, when you're in fear, you'd do whatever you can to get away. Fai, from what I've seen in recent chapters, is indeed a bit selfish, not caring about his other comrades' opinions except for Sakura's, the only one who hasnt really betrayed him [and Sakura and Chi are somewhat alike, both naive, nice, caring...yada....]. And of course when you're running away, you'd think about the person chasing you, not about anyone else.  Anyway, I stated my opinions and I'm done, and I'm not going to restate them again.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: tsumibito on November 22 2006, 06:25 am
I don't think Fai's a bad person for leaving Chii behind like that - for all we know, he created her with that purpose specifically in mind. My point was that he clearly doesn't love her. (His interactions with the group in the past few chapters are different - he stated some chapters back that he doesn't want them to be hurt because of him.)
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Emiko on November 22 2006, 07:19 am
As it's been said, Fai sacrificed his eye so that Syaoran would have a chance. And he didn't think twice about leaving Chii behind. So I don't think he would have run out on her if he really loved her. Hideki would never do that. He'd be a better companion to Chii anyway.
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Kouichi on August 06 2007, 03:16 pm
O.O I want to join I've seen you guys around and I'm finely getting around to joining you guys ^^; I'm a big HidekiChi fan I own the whole Anime and read some the the manga's. I realy love the pairing alot there just so right for one another ^^

Quote from: Emiko on November 22 2006, 07:19 am
As it's been said, Fai sacrificed his eye so that Syaoran would have a chance. And he didn't think twice about leaving Chii behind. So I don't think he would have run out on her if he really loved her. Hideki would never do that. He'd be a better companion to Chii anyway.

You have a point there if fai was IN love with her I would really doubt  he'd leave her there with the crazy king
Title: Re: The Remember Hideki Campaign
Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on August 07 2007, 12:18 pm
i once had a fic idea, that i had to abandon because i have a dificult time writeing AGAINST canon. it was an "ashura awakes" fic.... chi escaped before getting harmed by anyone to warn fai.... in the end she ended up living with Hideki, but with no memory of fai (it was a price that had to be payed inorder for her to survive)

i really hate those fics where ashura awakes, and the first thing he does is kill chi v.v thats just mean, so ive never let her get hurt in any of my own versions.