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Tsubasa Chronicle (Arc 2): Episode 14
This is the discussion topic for Episode 40 of TRC.
This episode is entitled: Black Steel
-episode aired, topic unlocked
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i cant wait to see how well (bad?) beetrain does this arc :shifty:
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On NHK they uploaded the ep 17 "五つ目のチカイ". What does it mean? The fifth...?!
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On NHK they uploaded the ep 17 "五つ目のチカイ". What does it mean? The fifth...?!
Is the other bit something like 'chikai'? *knows some katakana, but..* Which could mean, hhm.. a vow, or a close distance.. or I think maybe a boundary? D:
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maybe it's the end of the 14th volume?
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Is the other bit something like 'chikai'? *knows some katakana, but..* Which could mean, hhm.. a vow, or a close distance.. or I think maybe a boundary? D:
I got a nasty filler suspicion... But they can't do a filler after Lecourt! They're supposed to arrive in the next world immediately, totally confused and slightly injured! *angst*
Seen the new preview yet? I have! Sakura looks so cute in her Lecourt outfit! Ofcourse, Fai looks even cuter. *_*
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I want the world of x .___.
I agree with Meowzy for the clothes
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On NHK they uploaded the ep 17 "五つ目のチカイ". What does it mean? The fifth...?!
五つ目のチカイ
Ittsume no Chikai
The fifth basement (地階?) not so sure since chikai may also mean vow or pledge.
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Ngggh, isn't the RAW out yet? I can't wait!
(*hoping this will be the best episode yet*)
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Ngggh, isn't the RAW out yet? I can't wait!
(*hoping this will be the best episode yet*)
yup. here it is: http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-details.php?id=57003&hit=1
^_^
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Squeeee! Thank you sooo much!
*starts the download*
Edit: *fifteen minutes later...*
Hot damn! It's already at 75%! O_O
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I'll wait for avi...and I can't watch episode until 11 august since I'm traveling!!!
*bits finger's nails in a room's corner* :cry:
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Frickin'Â BEETRAIN.
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Uhm... Okay... Confusion galore! They immediately started with the damn book! And Syaoran wasn't shown once during ANY of the flashbacks! You see him for like... 30 seconds at the end. No indication to how he got the book, or how it works. >__>
The first 8 minutes are filled with flashbacks that, as far as I can remember, were NOT in the manga. Something about Kurogane catching fish, and a seemingly boring conversation between mommy and daddy. On the plus side... Kurogane in a bathtub! Naked! =P
Still, they could've cut a bit (like 5 minutes) of that useless beginning, to do a decent Lecourt intro. >_>
The violence was toned down horribly. I squeed at the blood on Fei Wang's sword, but then I saw that Kurogane's mommy wasn't bleeding at all, and felt my heart sink again.
I squeed at the arm of Kurogane's daddy. Then it fell and shattered into stoney pieces. I felt my heart sink again.
Kurogane was going on a slight murderous rampage, clutching his mommy's body .Okay, fair. Tomoyo binds him to the pillar by using a couple of rings who wrap themselves around Kuro-chan. ... WTF? What happened to Kurogane's scar?! DAMN YOU, BEETRAIN!
The music was good though. Chibi Kurogane made me squeal, and Kuro's daddy is HAWT!
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Uhm... Okay... Confusion galore! They immediately started with the damn book! And Syaoran wasn't shown once during ANY of the flashbacks! You see him for like... 30 seconds at the end. No indication to how he got the book, or how it works. >__>
The first 8 minutes are filled with flashbacks that, as far as I can remember, were NOT in the manga. Something about Kurogane catching fish, and a seemingly boring conversation between mommy and daddy. On the plus side... Kurogane in a bathtub! Naked! =P
Still, they could've cut a bit (like 5 minutes) of that useless beginning, to do a decent Lecourt intro. >_>
The violence was toned down horribly. I squeed at the blood on Fei Wang's sword, but then I saw that Kurogane's mommy wasn't bleeding at all, and felt my heart sink again.
I squeed at the arm of Kurogane's daddy. Then it fell and shattered into stoney pieces. I felt my heart sink again.
Kurogane was going on a slight murderous rampage, clutching his mommy's body .Okay, fair. Tomoyo binds him to the pillar by using a couple of rings who wrap themselves around Kuro-chan. ... WTF? What happened to Kurogane's scar?! DAMN YOU, BEETRAIN!
The music was good though. Chibi Kurogane made me squeal, and Kuro's daddy is HAWT!
Thank God it's not as bad as I presumed.. :D
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Well, yeah, it could've been worse. But at some scenes I had the specific thought of 'What the hell were they thinking?!'
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pics here
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/07/29/tsubasa-chronicle-40/
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Hey, no picture of Kurogane in the tub? (well, no clear picture anyway)
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I haven't seen episode yet, but I hope that in the future TRCanime was improved by another animation company...besides, the cut arm of Kuro's father...if you cut an arm, it has to have blood...in pics I saw it was clean!
I hate BeeTrain :angry:
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besides, the cut arm of Kuro's father...if you cut an arm, it has to have blood...in pics I saw it was clean!
That's because...
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The arm was turned to stone. >_>
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That's because...
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The arm was turned to stone. >_>
what in the hell...!!! aaaaaaaaarrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!!! BeeTrain is destroying TRC!!!! how can Clamp let BeeTrain do this?? :cry:
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simple answer : they're evil :angry:
*runs away,,,*
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yeah...
*hides under the bed*
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Well, I'm relieved by what I know of the episode, though that's because I had this horrible fear that Bee-train wouldn't include Kendappa. I'm not entirely sure why. But she's still there, so I'm okay. The lack of explanation is lousy, though. Why must you shoot yourselves in the foot by rushing things so, Bee-train?! And the blood is as expected. *Sigh*
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Frickin' BEETRAIN.
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Uhm... Okay... Confusion galore! They immediately started with the damn book! And Syaoran wasn't shown once during ANY of the flashbacks! You see him for like... 30 seconds at the end. No indication to how he got the book, or how it works. >__>
The first 8 minutes are filled with flashbacks that, as far as I can remember, were NOT in the manga. Something about Kurogane catching fish, and a seemingly boring conversation between mommy and daddy. On the plus side... Kurogane in a bathtub! Naked! =P
Still, they could've cut a bit (like 5 minutes) of that useless beginning, to do a decent Lecourt intro. >_>
The violence was toned down horribly. I squeed at the blood on Fei Wang's sword, but then I saw that Kurogane's mommy wasn't bleeding at all, and felt my heart sink again.
I squeed at the arm of Kurogane's daddy. Then it fell and shattered into stoney pieces. I felt my heart sink again.
Kurogane was going on a slight murderous rampage, clutching his mommy's body .Okay, fair. Tomoyo binds him to the pillar by using a couple of rings who wrap themselves around Kuro-chan. ... WTF? What happened to Kurogane's scar?! DAMN YOU, BEETRAIN!
The music was good though. Chibi Kurogane made me squeal, and Kuro's daddy is HAWT!
Thanks for telling me... so I'll be disappointed before watching the episode and not while watching it. I can't believe they did that... if they tune down on violence now... what on earth are they are going to do when they reach the recent chapters??
chapter spoiler:
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I bet they'll make Fai's eye turn into ball of light and flow into C!Syaoran.. I just can see them doing that... and they'll definitly cut off the part where he tries to eat the second eye...
Please CLAMP, they me you aren't happy with those changes...
I had too high hopes for this episode... darn...
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I haven't watched it yet, but the fact they turned Tomoyo's hand piercing into binds makes me laugh.
And the general consensus I get is that Kurogane's dad is hot. Hehe.
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Animation was good, and what was changed/left out, made me sad, BeeTrain must die,
but over all, I liked it, I can't wait for next weeks epi, Fai looks so hot, so was Kuro's daddy, hehehe
I hope, in the end, when TRC Is over, and the Anime as well, I hope they make an OVA, for both TRC and XXXHolic, because saddly both Animes are lacking in what the manga has, the real story, and no 20 second pause and horrid animation, pluse the blood will not be left out if its an OVA, what was CLAMP thinking when they gave TRC to Beetrain, I have no clue, mad house, or GONZO would have been better......done with ranting
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Ep17: "The fifth basement"
maybe it's the end of the 14th volume?
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the ep wasnt all too bad. needs imporvement, but they kept in more than i thought they would.
you know how beetrain loves to exclude most of th ekurofai momnts? when they get to tokyo, i hop e to god they put in ch 112, IN ITS ENTIRETY!!! if tehey dont, then ill stop watching the anime. thats MJOR character develop[ment of fai.
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This wasnt as bad as it could have been - I actually cried at the bit where Kuro's mother died. But, after that, it went down hill a bit for me.. what with the glowing-pink-binds-of-happy-luff-yay! and all..
And how the friff did Kuro's mother manage to not not bleed, like.. at all, after being stabbed with a fricking huge sword straight through her middle? Bee-train.. D:
I'm dreading Tokyo now.
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the ep could have been worse, but SHOULD have been better ^^
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RAW has been added:
http://www.capturedwings.net/forums/index.php?topic=2825.msg152464#msg152464
pretty good considering it's Bee Train, but it really should have had some stuff before the memories of Kurogane because Syaoran holding that book and crying was just plain weird like this
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in your opinion will they broadcast the Tokyo part? °__°
I'm dreading Tokyo now :cry:
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in your opinion will they broadcast the Tokyo part? °__°
I'm dreading Tokyo now :cry:
They have to show the Tokyo arc, it's too important plotwise not to show. They'll just remove as much of the blood from it as they possibly can. Show content
I don't doubt they can manage quite a bit - they don't need to rip off Kamui's arm or cut Syaoran's throat, and could probably find some way around making real!Syaoran's leg bleed when it gets stabbed through. As for Fai's eye, well, I agree with the person who said that they won't show clone!Syaoran trying to eat the other one out, and using glowly lights (just having him remove the magic, or remove the eye by magic) is possible.
And that's my prediction for how Bee-train will handle it.
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They have to show the Tokyo arc, it's too important plotwise not to show. They'll just remove as much of the blood from it as they possibly can. Show content
I don't doubt they can manage quite a bit - they don't need to rip off Kamui's arm or cut Syaoran's throat, and could probably find some way around making real!Syaoran's leg bleed when it gets stabbed through. As for Fai's eye, well, I agree with the person who said that they won't show clone!Syaoran trying to eat the other one out, and using glowly lights (just having him remove the magic, or remove the eye by magic) is possible.
And that's my prediction for how Bee-train will handle it.
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But Syaoran has no magic. That would mean Fai would use his own magic to give Syaoran his eye, thereby completely wrecking the 'Fai tried to give Syaoran his heart back, together with the eye' clue. If you catch my drift.
As for R!Syaoran's leg, it probably won't get stabbed at all. And Xing whatshername... She'll be lying on the floor, completely NOT bleedin, but still obviously dead, with Fei Wong laughing like a creepy psychopath.
Yes, if they keep this up, the Tokyo saga is doomed.
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*sigh* Bee-train need a kick up the ***.
whos with me?
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Animation improved from last two episodes thankfully, however NOT happy the missed out the introduction to the country. Its a very interesting land to me and it appears to be based on London which is a city I love alot, I was looking forward to its place in the anime, but obviously Bee-train can not be bothered with it frankly.
Next, where the hell is Syaoran? If Bee-train aren't careful they are going to start confusing people who haven't read the manga. ¬____¬ ugh. CLAMP please punish them.
Its pretty simple Bee-train, you FOLLOW WHAT CLAMP GIVE YOU. Its not that hard, you have references for crying out loud.
Not enough blood. The violence was toned WAY down ;__;
WTF are they going to do when they reach animating chapter 119+ ??
maybe we'll have a miricle in which no blood comes out of ny wounds, or instead of actual violence they will just have a verbal disagreement? o___O
*spazums*
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I can just imagine CLAMP sitting in front of the tv on Saturday morning, burying their faces in their hands.
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maybe we'll have a miricle in which no blood comes out of ny wounds, or instead of actual violence they will just have a verbal disagreement? o___O
*spazums*
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I can see it now...
Fai: Oh snap and darn, Syaoran. You tore out my eye.
Kurogane: That really wasn't very fair y'know Kid. but, who cares, because now I get to hold Fai for the next 3+ chapters.
Clone!Syaoran: Terribly sorry, but I need this eye in order to continue gathering feathers.
Sakura: *sob* I am quite worried.
Kamui: ...*files nails*
Oh SUPER-DUPER. I just can't wait until they get to animating chapters 119+!! [/sarcasm]
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I can see it now...
Fai: Oh snap and darn, Syaoran. You tore out my eye.
Kurogane: That really wasn't very fair y'know Kid. but, who cares, because now I get to hold Fai for the next 3+ chapters.
Clone!Syaoran: Terribly sorry, but I need this eye in order to continue gathering feathers.
Sakura: *sob* I am quite worried.
Kamui: ...*files nails*
Oh SUPER-DUPER. I just can't wait until they get to animating chapters 119+!! [/sarcasm]
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If Kamui files his nails, will he still be able to slash people with them? Or is that how he keeps them sharp?
Seriously, they'll take all the feeling out of that arc.
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If Kamui files his nails, will he still be able to slash people with them? Or is that how he keeps them sharp?
Seriously, they'll take all the feeling out of that arc.
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Neither, it's obviously because he just loves his manicures DAH-ling.
...Or it could be to keep them sharp XD
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I can just imagine CLAMP sitting in front of the tv on Saturday morning, burying their faces in their hands.
someone said that this season is low par cuz it doesnt have CLAMP's involvment. i hope to god that they involve them selves after seeing how abad they made this ep (or better yet, after they saw the god awful eps. seriosuly, only 10% of fandome LIKED those eps O_o
tokyo with beetrain left alone= disatar and loss of anime-fandome (mostly the manga readers.)
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I can see it now...
Fai: Oh snap and darn, Syaoran. You tore out my eye.
Kurogane: That really wasn't very fair y'know Kid. but, who cares, because now I get to hold Fai for the next 3+ chapters.
Clone!Syaoran: Terribly sorry, but I need this eye in order to continue gathering feathers.
Sakura: *sob* I am quite worried.
Kamui: ...*files nails*
Oh SUPER-DUPER. I just can't wait until they get to animating chapters 119+!! [/sarcasm]
LOL. exactly.
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Maybe we'll see Kamui slash out but the screen goes black so the little kids can't see it. but we adults know whats happened.... >___<
My Japanese teacher said she used to watch loads of violent anime as a kid, even those that were for children got quite violent! why is bee train being such a spoil sport?
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I just watched it... surprisingly, I liked it. I wasn't as disappointed as I thought I would be...
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I started to tear up as the scene of Kuro's mother's death approached and then started to cry when she died :sad5: I'm so emotional...
I was actually happy with this episode's animation. It was better compared to others. Kuro's mother sure looked pretty and Kuro's father looked very cool. And the famous Syaoran crying scene... I thought that was done well. They didn't skip the fact that Fai tried to pull the book first and didn't work but Kuro could pull it.
I was annoyed by the missing beginning... I wish they had added that and divided this episode into two. I think that would have worked out much better.
I wonder if next week's episode will have C!Syaoran showing his real self... I hope they make it as creepy as it was in the manga... I remember being really creeped out by that Syaoran o.O
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Frickin'Â BEETRAIN.
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Uhm... Okay... Confusion galore! They immediately started with the damn book! And Syaoran wasn't shown once during ANY of the flashbacks! You see him for like... 30 seconds at the end. No indication to how he got the book, or how it works. >__>
The first 8 minutes are filled with flashbacks that, as far as I can remember, were NOT in the manga. Something about Kurogane catching fish, and a seemingly boring conversation between mommy and daddy. On the plus side... Kurogane in a bathtub! Naked! =P
Still, they could've cut a bit (like 5 minutes) of that useless beginning, to do a decent Lecourt intro. >_>
The violence was toned down horribly. I squeed at the blood on Fei Wang's sword, but then I saw that Kurogane's mommy wasn't bleeding at all, and felt my heart sink again.
I squeed at the arm of Kurogane's daddy. Then it fell and shattered into stoney pieces. I felt my heart sink again.
Kurogane was going on a slight murderous rampage, clutching his mommy's body .Okay, fair. Tomoyo binds him to the pillar by using a couple of rings who wrap themselves around Kuro-chan. ... WTF? What happened to Kurogane's scar?! DAMN YOU, BEETRAIN!
The music was good though. Chibi Kurogane made me squeal, and Kuro's daddy is HAWT!
At least the episode wasn't that bad. Hehehehe, I thought that it could be worse. Still, it seems as if BeeTrain is scared of blood. Kuorgane's mother didn't bleed, that's kinda stupid, after all a sword passed through her for god's sake! *sigh* I wonder what will they do with the Tokyo arc?, I mean there is so much blood!
I still haven't watched the episode, it's still on 20%...ARGH!! ButI watched some pics andthe animationlooks great! *squeel*
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I finished already downloading it! Thisepisode was very beautiful, I loved it! The emotions that the characters portrade were very nicely done. I was even crying when Kurogane cried...it was too emotional that scene...I mean he
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loses his whole family in seconds
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Oh my gawd, I'm already afraid of watching this... But at least it seems that Kuro's dad is as hot as he was in the manga :D
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Oh my gawd, I'm already afraid of watching this... But at least it seems that Kuro's dad is as hot as he was in the manga :D
Don't worry it isn't that bad, and the animation is great!
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I just watched this episode, and I agree--very beautiful animation in Kurogane's flashback, and over all, very touching.
However, I did not the fact they didn't show how the group came to Lecourt at all. It just feels like Syaoran randomly picked up an enchanted book, and started to read Kurogane's story in it.
At the end, you feel like the episode was inserted there at random. >__<
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Kurogane as a kid is the most freaking adorable thing I have ever seen. T_T I think I'm dead from the cuteness.
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The animation this episode was definitely on the high end of Tsubasa-animation quality. The way it was set up was weird, though (no idea why it's there until the end). Kurogane's family was so cute! T.T
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wasnt kuro's voice a tad too high for a 15/16 year old? just s amall nit pick :S
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wasnt kuro's voice a tad too high for a 15/16 year old? just s amall nit pick :S
I agree. It's like he had the same voice actress as a little child and as a teenager. I'd like to know how you change from THAT into the voice he has now...
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I agree. It's like he had the same voice actress as a little child and as a teenager. I'd like to know how you change from THAT into the voice he has now...
right. it didnt have to be kuro's current voice, but it SHOULD have atleast been a LITTLE deeper =P
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True, his voice should have sounded a tad bit deeper, but oh well... :heh: I liked how he sounded when
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he cried over his mother and fathers death at the end
, very sentimental! :greengrin:
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pst! incomplete spoiler tag >_o
hey, i recently had a dream where i went to japan to threaten and/or bribe beetrain to NOT screw up when they animate ch 112. which i think they wqill. theyve managaed to destroy every single kuro-fai interaction so far. ch 112 is vital, not only for kuro-fai, but for fai himself! V_V
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True, true...BeeTrain is like the KuroFai destroyer.
pst! incomplete spoiler tag >_o
hey, i recently had a dream where i went to japan to threaten and/or bribe beetrain to NOT screw up when they animate ch 112. which i think they wqill. theyve managaed to destroy every single kuro-fai interaction so far. ch 112 is vital, not only for kuro-fai, but for fai himself! V_V
And thanks for seeing my incomplete spoiler tag! I'll edite it now!
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I liked this episode a lot actually. It's probably the best one that we've seen this season. (though it would seem that it doesn't take much) I don't believe that Bee-train is necessarily bad, sure they make poor choices, but they're also responsible for so many fans joining the fandom. Speaking for myself, I probably would have never bothered with it until I happened to come across the first season about a year ago, and from there I got into the manga.
The anime must be taken with a grain of salt. It's not going to be perfect, it's not going to please every one, they're just trying to entertain and make some money while they're at it. Also, no one is being forced to watch it, every one views at their own risk. If the anime destroys the series for you, the answer is simple, just don't watch it. Anime is never meant to be an exact replica of a manga. A different media requires a different method of story telling. And while we might not agree with what they do, there isn't a whole that can be done about it. They're going to do what they're going to do, and it's up to us to watch it or not.
I would also like to throw in this little tid bit:
I am currently showing TRC to one of my male friends, who has never seen the manga. He's just as far long as the subs are now, and when he talks about it, it sounds like he's not missing anything in particular. He still managed to get a lot of the things, we manga readers did. Fay's darkness, Kurogane's Gentleness, and so on... He thought the Chii ep wasn't a pairing but a showing of a fatherxdaughter bond... He also notices the KuroxFayness (which makes me happy! He's such a good boy!)
So while we might be upset about the changes here and there, it doesn't seem to detach from the heart of the story. Anime isn't made just for the manga readers, it is made to bring a story to a broader audience. But the Japanese manga fans are not forgotten about either. In Japan slight changes in an anime adaptation of a manga are generally very well received. Who really wants to watch something that they've already seen?? (I'm not speaking for every case... just in general)
Forgive my boldness in this post, I just kinda felt like it had to be said... I shall go back and hide behind a rock and run away from the bricks. ^_^
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Hyuu! Well said, kuromori-san! Well said!
Though it's no secret that I am not entirely happy with some (most of) Bee Train's decisions, I really don't mind things being changed in theory. The Holic anime people have made a few changes that I enjoyed (the Zashiki Warashi introduction was different, but I really enjoyed it.) In fact, I like fillers in general. It gives us a chance to see something new, and it doesn't take away from the manga. However, I just don't like the way Bee Train handles the story as a whole.
You probably could get most of the essential story and underlying weight from watching the anime alone, but I think it's safe to say that you get much, much more from the manga. The main problem I have with the anime is that it seems to scratch away a lot of the depth that was present in the manga, almost too much. You get the bare minimum with the anime.
Also, the fillers have been rather lacklustre. There are ways to make fillers that benefit the series as a whole, but Bee Train really hasn't done this (the doodle episode was awesome, though XD).
Your post was interesting, kuromori-san, and I agree with you for the most part. I think I might have enjoyed the anime a bit more had I not read the manga first. Though I don't think I would have liked the trucker episodes, no matter how much of a manga virgin I was.
But, in an attempt to remain OT: <3 Little Kuro-rin was so cute. Kuro-daddy was sexy. The whole Kuro-family makes me want to hug something. :3
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Yeah... the trucker eps were special... *sweatdrop* But I kinda look at this way... aren't filler eps just animated Fanfiction? I'm sure a good portion of us read fanfics, and don't complain nearly as badly as we do about a filler ep. Just like there are good fanfics and bad fanfics, there are good fillers and bad fillers. (Only Bee-train makes money either way....)
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Yeah... the trucker eps were special... *sweatdrop* But I kinda look at this way... aren't filler eps just animated Fanfiction? I'm sure a good portion of us read fanfics, and don't complain nearly as badly about a filler ep. Just like there are good fanfics and bad fanfics, there are good fillers and bad fillers. (Only Bee-train makes money either way....)
seems like it. i swear thats how they got a fai-chi ep O_o
as for kurofai...TRC isnt just about sakura and syaoran. this isnt "CCS part 2" the interactions with kurogane and fai are very important. heck, i did not become a kurofai fangirl UNTIL i read the manga. you oughta see the complaint i made int the kurofai forum on ff.net. i was so POed that there was little to no non-kurfai fics :sweatdrop: boy have i changed, thanks to the manga.
the anime makes it seem like kuro REALLY hates fai, like in the outo ep, with the oni fight. i roginilay thogut that kuro loathed fai from that ep. i didnt see the meaning behind his words till i read the manga :cry: perhaps he'll have it before waking up to have his little chat with kuro about what he saw.
IG shoulda gotten the anime. they did the movie right? at first i didnt like the movie cuz the animation was diferent from the anime. looking back, only a few desinges need to be fixed...fai and syaoran's eye color for one thing. movie fai looks more like his manga counter part than anime fai does. anime fai has the perfect eye color, but movie fai has the hair
anyways, to the ep, it was really good. i hope that the rest of the arc, and this season are this quality or better. they REALLY need to have syaoran have the nightmare. [spoiler=recent manga]the nightmare is what tricks us into thinkiong that the other syao is evil. ^^;; when in fact he's a good person[/spoiler]
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Hehe maybe it was the Yaoi fangirl deep down inside of me, but I paired those two together almost right away. From watching the anime I never once thought that Kurogane hated Fai... Having been into anime for ten years now I've seen his character several times, and in several different ways. The strong bad *** that doesn't understand true strength... but deep down... he's just as frail as any one else... And Fai struck me as the boy that pulls on the little girl's pig tails because he doesn't know how else to express the fact that he likes her.
My friend picked up on the KuroxFayness a little bit in the beginning... but then the bar scene in Otou is what did it to him. He actually likes the couple, and finds them interesting and highly entertaining. ( it's so nice having a guy friend that's not like...EWW Gayness!! and he also doesn't get the KuroxTomo pairing.... so much love for that boy)
Yes, Bee-Train takes away a lot of the KuroxFay fuzzy moments.... and I do agree that TRC isn't CCS2... and Bee-Train doesn't make a lot of good choices, but they're doing what they can. It would be nice if IG had gotten it, but they didn't. So we're stuck with what we have. I will continue to watch the anime, but consider it a separate entity from the manga.
And no matter how you look at it... it would seem that it's impossible to correctly animate most CLAMP works... I mean look at X (TV) That was one of the first cases where I choose to stop watching, rather than view.... *shudders*
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As someone who basically flames the hell out of BeeTrain, I thought this episode was pretty good in terms of adaptation and quality. I say that honestly, too. It was actually... enjoyable, even with the changes BeeTrain made. Whoever directed this episode was actually smart. The animation was good too. So good job, for once, BeeTrain.
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the episode pretty much opens with Kurogane's past, and then at the end everyone is already at the library, if someone who hadn't read the manga had been watching, they'd be like "WTF? When did they get there?"
But seriously, I didn't really mind the changes they made because I felt that even though the episode was a bit rushed, it was still an alright adaptation of the manga. I wish they could do more of their episodes like that, instead of the horrific job they have been doing this second season (the first season had its problems, but it is still better). They didn't screw up royally and I am really glad about that because the arc with Kurogane's past is really one that changes your view of the character in such a vast way, it's one of my favorite parts of the manga because it makes the character a lot more three dimensional (even though he's 2d, har har). You kinda go back and think about his actions and stuff while you have read the manga and you're like "Oh, so that's why etc blah blah blah..."
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They cut out the part with Kurogane and Tomoyo at the end of that arc, which is completely unexpected because I thought anything that might thow in some "het vibes" even though they're little kids, would be completely BeeTrain approved. KuroTomo fans must be mad XD Now they know how we (K/F fans) feel, ohohoho.
All in all, it could have been better, but knowing BeeTrain it could have been a heck of a lot worse.
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I'd like to say that I thought Bee-train's adaption of the Shara/Shura arc was perfectly good, though the animation was occasionally...ick, and there are issues like removing the alcohol and most of the blood that go on throughout the whole series. The first season arcs were adapted well, also (though I object to throwing Sorata and Arashi into Koryo). So I don't really have anything against Bee-train, other than the majority of their fillers (episode 16 wasn't that bad), their lack-luster animation, their apparent hemophobia, which I think could become a problem later on (the Tokyo arc), and moving through the manga storyline at a pace which really is inconvient when it comes to staying behind CLAMP. Also cutting out the Country of Idols because I don't understand why they would do that when they just had to use fillers anyway. Okay, maybe I do have a little against Bee-train. But not too much.
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I completely agree with you, Kuromori ^^ Sometimes, as a devoted fan of the manga, I almost want to cry when I watch the anime (and I even sub it for my spanish fansub group, so I'm kind of "forced" to watch every episode three of four times, sometimes even more... and that's like seeing every bad character design/animation/whatever through a magnifying glass). But after all, an animated series is a completely different media, so it's obvious that it won't be a exact copy of the manga we all love.
And I don't like to blame BeeTrain for, basically, changing the target audience of the series (because most of the changes we're seeing it's because of that: not understanding that Tsubasa is not aimed at the same public than, say, Card Captor Sakura). BeeTrain made great animes of excellent quality in the past that I truly enjoyed watching, with deeply complex and philosophical stories with profound metaphors and sometimes with mature themes and scenes (not a lot of those, but anyway... ^^u) such as .hack//SIGN, .hack//Roots, Noir, Avenger, Arc The Lad...
I think the one to blame is NHK, which also broadcasted Card Captor Sakura (and if I'm not mistaken, they started doing it again when Tsubasa started being aired) and whom, I think, bought Tsubasa as a kind of "CCS 2nd Part", then making that error on the target audience. Of course, BeeTrain has its share of fault, because the low quality of the animation in some episodes has nothing to do with NHK. But the lack of blood and homosexual relationships, those pointless fillers in which sometimes they mess up the original story, the modification of Sakura's personality transforming her into a typical and boring "damsel in distress", and sometimes forcing SakuraxSyaoran moments that aren't in the manga (I shouldn't complain about that, since I'm a SxS fan too, but... ^^u)... had led me to believe that they want to sell this as a marketing product, a CCS revival, a low quality anime that, no matter how cheap it is, will help them sell a lot of merchandise. And they're indicating BeeTrain that this is what they want, so this is what they should make and produce for them.
Despite all that, if I were a member of CLAMP, I wouldn't have chosen BeeTrain for Tsubasa. Much as I like them, Tsubasa's story it's not their style AT ALL. I would have chosen MADHOUSE or even Pierrot instead.
Finally, I don't know if everybody knows this (sorry if you do already ^^u), but BeeTrain is a subsidiary of Production I.G. While IG usually does movies, OVAs and short animations, such as openings and endings for videogames (they've done quite a few series too, but usually they only collaborate partially, they're fully in charge of everything only when there's a lot of money involved XD), BeeTrain is usually in charge of cheaper *cough* TV series.
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They cut out the part with Kurogane and Tomoyo at the end of that arc, which is completely unexpected because I thought anything that might thow in some "het vibes" even though they're little kids, would be completely BeeTrain approved. KuroTomo fans must be mad XD Now they know how we (K/F fans) feel, ohohoho.
Ohohohohohoh! >D
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It is kinda stupid though, because now people won't know that Kurogane's Ginryuu was actually a copy, and that the original Ginryuu was buried with Kurogane's mommy.
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Ohohohohohoh! >D
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It is kinda stupid though, because now people won't know that Kurogane's Ginryuu was actually a copy, and that the original Ginryuu was buried with Kurogane's mommy.
it really is. That's a crucial bit of information, I think. It just seems weird that they'd cut out such a big piece of the story like that, but then again, we should be used to it considering what they've done with other arcs...
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Beetrain....
Screw you.
Crap, so crap. The episode was crappity crap crap. The animation, I swear is getting worse, although I don't know how that was possible. But there you go.
Why are they doing this? They'll end up with like 50 stupid filler episodes because they've rushed everything. Ugh! *is disgusted*
But yes, naked Kuorgane! He was very effing cute though. And the voice actor for him was amazing. But it was just so rushed, I would've loved to have seen a little more emotion between mum and dad there. The hair thing could've been much sweeter. BUT THE ANIMATION I S JUST SO BAD! I can't take it anymore.
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Oh yes, that's the main thing i didn't like here. I think it's much less emotional than
the manga it could have been. In the manga Kuro's daddy seemed to me much more loving and carring, and there were moments that showed he wasn't ALWAYS a perfect warrior. And his relationship with his wife looks more like respect, not love.
And finally it didn't even make me want to cry by the end! I might be too fastidious, but while these manga chapters plunge me into (nearly)hysterics, the ep only causes a little lump in throat feeling -_-
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eps posted on ann:
2006-08-26
42. The Other Side of Nostalgia [望郷のカナタ] {Boukyo no Kanata}
2006-09-02
43. The Five Eyes of Tchicai [五つ目のチカイ] {Ittsume no Chikai}
am i missing something? the way ann listed ep 43, it makes it sound completly plausable that its a filler, unless the person who posted it isnt good at translating?
god PLEASE dont let it be a filler. a filler would 100% destroy the plot -_-
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I'm deathly afraid of a filler outlining Fai's past, as they weren't afraid to show an unsubstantiated chibi-fai in the credits...But yeah, I think they're gonna be filling till the end of the season...They must already have those eps produced, and if they can cut Rekordo to 2 eps, then surely they can cut Tokyo to 3 or 4.
I really liked this ep. True, the beginning of them arriving in Rekordo would have been handy, but no biggy. I think the animation was 200% better than recent eps. I cried. My one complaint is of comparison: the idiocy in shoving all that into 1 ep when the trucker filler got 2...
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Raw for EPISODE 15 up:
http://www.torrentbox.com/dl.php/58310/%28RAW%29Tsubasa_Chronicle_-_2nd_Season_-_Episode_15_%2841%29%5B704x396_DivX511%5D.avi.torrent
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Although I dislike Season 2 of the anime Bee Train really isn't a bad company.
They did one of my favourite animes which is a lot better than the manga version and the game both (manga and anime) are based off of. I mean Bee Train really pushes the boundaries of shounen-ai, not shounen-ai with Meine Liebe since the subtext is 100x more than any thing I've ever seen for a non shounen-ai series. In fact before season 2 aired there it was reported that Bee Train was seriously considering making it into a full blown shounen-ai series but they chickened out at the last minute and instead just doubled the subtext. Which is especially interesting since the manga is het and the original game is a het dating game.
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Raw for EPISODE 15 up:
http://www.torrentbox.com/dl.php/58310/%28RAW%29Tsubasa_Chronicle_-_2nd_Season_-_Episode_15_%2841%29%5B704x396_DivX511%5D.avi.torrent
awsome! thanks.
Please tell me they included the syao dream?
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fai comercial bump....recent manga chapters....those beutiful blue eyes :cry:
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episode 41 raw added
http://www.capturedwings.net/forums/index.php?topic=2825.msg152464#msg152464
does anyone know what the name of this ep is, since i can't watch it
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"i think its "Liibrary of Secrets"...
the fai splash page makes me feel sad cuz of the manga :cry:
as for the ep, looks like htye skiped the chit chat about the symbol, but it looks like it will be in the ext ep.
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are they making a whole episode about a tuor of clow world, INCLUDING syaoran's house!? O_o
again they skipped the syao nightmare. they ruind it for the nion-manga readers by not including the nightmare :shifty:
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cuz now how will they explain when syao loses it? arent we suposed to be fooled into thinking that the other syao is controlling him?
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loved the new music! instrumental dreamscape and that new -non-lanugae song when the Puppies were fighting the sentinals.
cant forget the Fai whistle!! ^_^ and also the kurofai ness!!!! hats off to beetrain for keeping that LOOK.
one last thing...is it just me or is fai holding on to that bowler for dear life? :wink:
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Yugioh! is out with their sub. Torrent here. (http://tracker.danomac.org/torrents/%5BYGO%5D_Tsubasa_Chronicle_2nd_Series_-_14_%5B40%5D_%5BA6D5196B%5D.avi.torrent)
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Yugioh! is out with their sub. Torrent here. (http://tracker.danomac.org/torrents/%5BYGO%5D_Tsubasa_Chronicle_2nd_Series_-_14_%5B40%5D_%5BA6D5196B%5D.avi.torrent)
yay!
that should mean that ep 41 is comming soon? (i hope)
anou...eiher ts taking a long time to connect, or there arent that many seeds (100%) im only seeing peers :-/
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It took a little bit more to download, but I finally have it ^^
And now that I'm watching it... (tiny minor detail, but anyway)
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WTF, Haganemaru? O_o I was really confused to see his mother address him with that name, until I found that it was his "childhood name" in the official site for the anime. I took a quick look at the manga and I can't find him called anything other than waka, waka-sama or waka-gimi, so I'm assuming this is a new change by NHK/BeeTrain (please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not familiar with these naming issues in Japan and don't know how this actually works, and if it's usual in the present or has been in the past ^^u Also, the line where I got that information confuses me even more... did they even gave him a surname?: 太郎鋼丸（黒鋼の幼名）は、父母に守られ、健やかに暮らしていた。
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Okay, this episode is cementing my hatred for the anime. The filler episodes don't count because they were awful without ruining the manga (except for the part where everyone has their original outfits when they should have lost them in Shurano/Sharano). THIS episode, however, is ruining manga storylines as well as RUINING CHARACTERISIATION!
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Okay, first of all, great story telling, Beetrain. Just dump us in a backstory without any explaination other than 'Syaoran found a book in a Library'. How about telling us what world they're in, where the library is, what they're DOING in a library, hell, even if everyone is THERE!
Second...WHAT DID THEY DO TO KURO-CHICHIUE!!!!!!! Kuro-chichiue was kind and light hearted (despite how seriously he took his role of protecting Suwa) and sweet in the manga! When did he become gruff, rough and MEAN! They have just STOMPED on his characterisation! The artwork for him is pretty good, no real complaint there, but I would rather the artwork look like crap and the characters actually be correct.
Okay, yeah, Chibi-Kuro is the most adorable thing EVER but how can I enjoy Chibi-Kuro when I'm weeping for Kuro-Chichiue!
Kuro-Chichue's voice is WAY to deep. It doesn't fit his character. Although I suppose it fits the whacked out Beetrain version. Evil Beetchrain.
Um, Beetrain? I don't think Syaoran would have been watching Chibi-Kuro and Kuro-Hahaue in the bathtub. I think he would have flipped a few pages ahead if he started to see that. Syaoran is too shy to spy on people bathing. Of course, since you haven't exactly shown us that Syaoran is CAUSING this backstory and haven't shown him standing nearby with the BOOK...
Side note: Teen-Kuro=Hotter than Syaoran.
GASP! BLOOD! Kuro-chichiue has BLOOD on his face! Hurry, a small fluffy bunny somewhere is going to faint from the sight of it. Beetrain how COULD you frighten the little bunny like that! You should be keeping ALL traces of blood from the anime to prevent such a thing!
Okay, they really didn't animate the intimacy between Kuro-chichiue and Kuro-hahaue very well. In fact, the whole family feeling just isn't there like it was in the manga.
I actually like Teen-Kuro's voice. 14/15 year olds don't always have fully broken voices and I find it rather sweet and fitting with pre-truamatised Kuro that he still has a rather high voice.
Kuro-hahaue's death scene? Best scene Beetrain have done so far to date. No sarcasm. That is a genuine compliment! ::shock horror:: (Although the fact that they allowed the sword to be covered in blood but didn't allow any blood on the floor/on Kuro-hahaue is a bit weird). Kuro's final 'Hahaue' scream with the breaking/croaking voice and genuine pain plus the realistic sobs...kudos to the voice actress! I might have to semi-worship her whenever I hear Teen-Kuro's voice.
Not, however, impressed with the monster turning things to stone. But that doesn't really affect things too much so I'll let it slide.
OMG Teen-Kuro's voice actress really DOES knows how to CRY! Listen to her go AGAIN after Tomoyo-tachi show up! And she makes it sound both good AND realistic! It doesn't even sound cheesy or, as some American voice actresses make it sound, embarrasing!
And, because Beetrain didn't start this world properly, you get a WTFugle? feeling at the end of it when we see everyone in the library. And Syaoran crying WAS embarrasing. ::sigh::
So, in summary, Kuro-chichiue is hot, but his characterisation is crap. Chibi-Kuro is Kawaii. Teen-Kuro is hot too, and his voice actress rocks. Hard. Kuro-hahaue has the best death scene ever. Teen-Kuro crys fantastically whilst Teen-Syaoran does not. And Beetrain, despite impressing me with the Kuro-hahaue death scene, has $h*& on this episode.
Nough said!
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http://www.capturedwings.net/forums/index.php?topic=2825.0
sub added
it was a nice ep, nothing more i can say about it
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i think for episode 14 they should start it proper with them arriving in the town first.. starting straight away with Syaoran's narration and then straight into Kurogane's past is so abrupt.. i would not have known what is happening if i hadn't read the manga..
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i think for episode 14 they should start it proper with them arriving in the town first.. starting straight away with Syaoran's narration and then straight into Kurogane's past is so abrupt.. i would not have known what is happening if i hadn't read the manga..
i think the next ep has a flashback that tells how they came in that world and found the book.....
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oOoO.. i don't know about the next episode coz i only downloads the subbed versions.. ^^;
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anyway i only noticed that the sword that killed his mum was from another dimension when i watched the anime.. i thought the sword was simply from the curtains behind the altar.. -.-"
anyway (again!) are there different ways of saying 'mother' and 'father' in Japanese.. i noticed kurogane said it differently as Sakura would say it in CCS.. and his mother called kurogane by another name.. is that like his pet name or something?
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i can only watch Subbed versions, but somebody told me that
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the thing with the pink rings: it still makes the scene look too froofy. it coulda ben done better, even WITHOUT having to slice thru kuro's hand.
as for the name "Haganemaru" 'maru' means lord[ i think...everyone in inuyasha that had "maru" at the end of their names was some lord or ruler of some sort], and hagane means steel...sooooo basicaly she was calling her son "Lord of Steel/Steel Lord' ? O.o
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the thing with the pink rings: it still makes the scene look too froofy. it coulda ben done better, even WITHOUT having to slice thru kuro's hand.
as for the name "Haganemaru" 'maru' means lord[ i think...everyone in inuyasha that had "maru" at the end of their names was some lord or ruler of some sort], and hagane means steel...sooooo basicaly she was calling her son "Lord of Steel/Steel Lord' ? O.o
BTW... "maru" mean circle or ball. Its just a way to make a name sounds like "ancient". It has nothing to do with lord or ruler. A ruler/lord is often address with the word "sama" in the end of his name ex.. kurogane-sama
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oh, my bad.. >_<
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Actually, maru IS used as a name suffix for young lords. Sesshoumaru is an example of this. Although it's literal meaning is 'circle, ball' or 'round' (depending on the kanji) it is also used as said suffix.
And for the person who asked earlier, there ARE different ways to refer to your parents.
Otou-sama/Otou-san/Otou-chan is the normal way to call your own father (from most respectful to most familiar). Oka-sama/Oka-san/Oka-chan is the equivilant for mother.
The actual word for father is Chichi and the actual word for mother is Haha. That is what you would say if you weren't actually speaking to them.
For example, when speaking to your father you would call him Otou-san but when saying something about your father to someone else you would refer to him as Chichi.
Chichiue and Hahaue are what Kurogane calls his parents. It is an old, formal and now slightly archaic way of refering to your father and mother. It isn't really used in Japan any more (my Japanese teacher said it was very archaic but I don't know if that's entirely true or not, it may still be used by older families in some parts of Japan).
There are also similar names for (older) brothers and sisters. The normal names for brothers and sisters are onii-sama/onii-san/onii-chan and onee-sama/onee-san/onee-chan. The actual word for brother is ani and the actual word for sister is ane. The archaic versions of brother and sister are Aniki and Aneue. Again, these aren't really used any more.
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Wow, Selenityshiroi, I'm going to give you a cookie for that little lesson. I've been wondering about "Aniki" and stuff for a while. To your knowledge, is "Aniue" a word? Or someone messing up the translation?
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thanks selenityshiroi for that littel japan lesson!! wouldn't onee-chan and onii-chan (since the -ii sound is the same as the -ee sound) sound the same >.< or is there some kind of special pronounication?
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wouldn't onee-chan and onii-chan (since the -ii sound is the same as the -ee sound) sound the same >.< or is there some kind of special pronounication?
In English ee is pronounced as i, but not in Japanese. Hm... try pronouncing the e as in the word "get" but with a long vowel (that's the only English word with a fitting e sound I can think of at the moment) when you say oneechan, and there you'll have it.
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Wow, Selenityshiroi, I'm going to give you a cookie for that little lesson. I've been wondering about "Aniki" and stuff for a while. To your knowledge, is "Aniue" a word? Or someone messing up the translation?
Yeay, cookies! *munch*
I haven't ever seen aniue used, only aniki, but a quick look at Jim Breen's online dictionary has aniue listed as an honourable version of older brother so it isn't an error.
thanks selenityshiroi for that littel japan lesson!! wouldn't onee-chan and onii-chan (since the -ii sound is the same as the -ee sound) sound the same >.< or is there some kind of special pronounication?
As Ando has already answered, the vowels are pronounced differently.
Japanese uses pure vowel sounds, very similar to the ones used in Latin. A is pronounced ah (like in Apple), i is pronounced ee (like the i in him), u is pronounced oo (like the u in tune), e is pronounced ehh (like the e in hemp) and o is pronounced oh (like the o in bottle). All of the sounds are short and crisp. When you have two vowels placed together in Japanese the sound is longer but not really different.
(Of course, I'm English, so I might pronounce these words slightly differently than any other English dialects!)
Onii-chan is pronounced oh-nee-cha-n and onee-chan is pronounced oh-nehh-cha-n.
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I haven't ever seen aniue used, only aniki, but a quick look at Jim Breen's online dictionary has aniue listed as an honourable version of older brother so it isn't an error.
Thank you. ^.^ I've never seen the word used anywhere outside of RG Veda scanlations, so I wondered if it was just the scanlators screwing something up.
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Thank you. ^.^ I've never seen the word used anywhere outside of RG Veda scanlations, so I wondered if it was just the scanlators screwing something up.
off-topic: while we're on the subject, i found manga's of RG Veda in the store yesterday (very happy fan! ^^) and the sword Kurogane uses in the Kudan world is from RG Veda O.o
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lemon tea chronicles for all 3 eps of lecourt is out
(not counting ep 43 as a lecourt ep )
http://lumivalkea.livejournal.com/273093.html
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omg!!! this episode made me cry sooo much :cry: i knew what was going to happen in the end (coz i read the manga before i watched the anime) but it was just sooo sad to see them die... all on the same night as well :cry: anywayz, i thought that this episode was the best out of season 2.
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^ totally agrees i watched i=this episode twice!
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i felt so sad watching this too... knowing whats happening. I love the manga though, and i cant bring myself to stop reading it and wait for the anime. Unfortunately I have to wait for the subs as well, but i am tempted to download the raws and read the manga-script along with it! do ya think that could work? hmmm... there would be extra parts....
well off topic kinda.
*waits in agony*
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the ep IS subbed, by anime4you
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This episode was soo cute and sad! >_< Kuro-pon was so funny as a little boy!