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Title: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 01 2005, 03:12 pm
Has anyone read this trilogy? It's by Lian Hearn, and has these books:

Across The Nightingale Floor
Grass For His Pillow
Brilliance Of The Moonlight

I love this tirlogy, prob because it has an oriental theme about it.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 02 2005, 06:11 am
Yeah, it's a really good series. The end of the first one, I felt was rather sad when you know who and you know who both died. Those books... they're that I hope the Japanese will agree to film them into movies someday. Who would you have as Lord Otori and Takeo? You'd need someone good (looking and at acting) ^_^.

Oh, and someone to play a good and graceful Lady Maruyama and a pretty girl to play Kaede ^_^
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 02 2005, 06:37 am
Yay! Someone finally answered this topic!

Yeah, I really want them to be made into movies as well....even if it's not directed by anyone of oriental heritage. Hmm....the actors would be very hard to choose though.

Takeo - Yang Dong-Geun?
Otori - No idea whatsoever
Maruyama - Michelle Yeoh? Brigitte Lin?
Kaede - Nami Tamaki - silly, I know, but she somehow looks the part. Or the girl from House Of Flying Daggers
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 02 2005, 08:53 pm
Never heard of some of those peopleĀ  :(

I do know who Michelle Yeoh is though... I think she'd be a fairly good choice, but Across the Nightingale Floor, Grass for his Pillow and Brilliance of the Moon are Japanese tales, and seeing as the Chinese and Japanese don't like each other... It'd be best to pick out some Japanese people to play the roles.

I don't know why, but I always saw Ken Watanabe playing Lord Otori in my head. He's just the guy who I always saw playing him ^_^ After seeing him in 'The Last Samurai', you can see why! I haven't a clue who could play Takeo though. As for Lady Maruyama, I have no idea. They'd probably get a fairly well-known model to ply her, seeing as she's meant to be graceful and tall and smart. And I'm just putting a name to a face when I say I think Satomi Ishihara should play Kaede.

Links to names...

Satomi Ishihara : http://www.jdorama.com/artiste.1816.htm
Ken Watanabe : http://imdb.com/name/nm0913822/

I'm still thinking about Lady Maruyama and Takeo... I don't know to many Japanese models or young boys from 16-21. lol!

___

Okay edit: Still no idea whatsoever about Takeo, which is terrible seeing as the guy would have the lead role! Okay, I've come back with a few people who I know are Japanese models, and also act...

Yuriko Ishida
Hikari Ishida
Koyuki
Miki Nakatani
Nanako Matsushima

The most well known models.actresses out of them I suppose are Miki and Nanako. Seeing as Lady Maruyama should be fairly tall, upright and elegent, either Nanako or Koyuki should take that role. I think Miki doesn't look right for a Lady Maruyama, but could make a really cool Yuki if she had black hair again and they attached some more. It's be cool to see Yuriko as Shizuka, she has the right face for it. I could only really imagine Kaede with someone like that, you know. (I'm weird, you know ^_^)

Next step... Finding Takeo... Err... Maybe I'll do that later ^_^
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 02 2005, 09:39 pm
I like ur Kaede choice...but Ken Watanabe...I see him as more like Lord Iida in my head. You know, the eveil lord person?

But it's weird we're thinking so hard about this....we should be directors!

But about the chinese/japanese not liking each other...if that's really true (I'm not sure), I thikn they make exceptions for famous people. Afterall, BoA (Korean - and they have probs with Japanese sometimes) managed to get really high up in the Japanese singles charts....

I'm still reading book 3 at the moment...haven't had much time. But it's so cool! I think the first book was the best though, and it looks like the third will be second best. I wasn't that impressed with book 2 though.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 02 2005, 10:13 pm
Sadly the Japanese and Chinese don't get on as well as Sakura and Syaoran do...

I see what you mean about Ken... Okay, I think we should choose a well-known Japanese actor who knows how to get down and fight! ^_^ No, I think you're 100% right about Ken, hed make a great Lord Iida. Okay, so we Lord Otori to be a good fighter, well-known, and someone who is Japanese (remember it isn't the question of them liking each other, it's the question if speaking Japanese too)

I know what you mean about book two, it wasn't as interesting, but I guess it's cause I miss Lord Otori. Don't you?

You're right, we should be the directors:

---

Directed/Casting by Cardwitch and Ruby Chan

Starring:

Ken Watanabe as Lord Iida
Satomi Ishihara as Kaede
<ACTOR MISSING> as Lord Otori
<ACTRESS MISSING> as Lady Maruyama

AND...

<ANOTHER ACTOR MISSING> as Takeo
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 05 2005, 09:37 pm
Have you noticed, we're the only two who post on this board? I left it a little while, to see if anyone else would...but they didn't! Does that mean we're the only two who've read the books?

Oh yeah, have you read Lian Hearn's profile in the books? He's fascinated with Japan too!
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 05 2005, 09:55 pm
Quote from: Ruby Chan on June 05 2005, 09:37 pm
Have you noticed, we're the only two who post on this board? I left it a little while, to see if anyone else would...but they didn't! Does that mean we're the only two who've read the books?

Oh yeah, have you read Lian Hearn's profile in the books? He's fascinated with Japan too!

That's why I like him so much. I imagine he'd be thrilled if the Japanese got together to makes at least his first book into a movie. It's the sort of book that you can't change too much, isn't it? It's nice to read a book written by someone who's fasinated by the thing they're writing about.

I doubt we're the only two, the others just probably can't be bothered to post...

Still can't think of a good Lord Otori, it needs to be a ruffless fighter, but someone who can be frienly and cool, no?
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 05 2005, 09:58 pm
Yup. I don't know that many japanese actors who aren't in comedies, sadly....so I'm stumped.

Maybe an english/american or other ulture that looks oriental?
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 05 2005, 10:20 pm
Possible, or you could just pick that really popular Japanese ninja star. I'll try and get the name, cause I keep forgetting... But he's a good fighetr, so he'll do good. Plus, he's had a lot of experience, during the 70's and 80's, there was nothing he didn't do that wasn't ninja.

As for Takeo, I haven't a clue whatsoever!

Is there anyone else who needs someone to play them, we've agreed on a Kaene and a Lord iida...

((REPEATING CREDITS))

Directed/Casting by Cardwitch and Ruby Chan

Starring:

Ken Watanabe as Lord Iida
Satomi Ishihara as Kaede
<ACTOR MISSING> as Lord Otori
<ACTRESS MISSING> as Lady Maruyama

AND...

<ANOTHER ACTOR MISSING> as Takeo

Okay, that's what we're missing. ((grabs some paper and a table)) Casting is a tough job, ni?
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 05 2005, 10:37 pm
What about Jet Li, or someone like that? He's meant to be quite good.....not sure whether he could play Takeo or Lord Otori though....
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 05 2005, 10:58 pm
Jet Li? Again, he's a Chinese guy... If he knew Japanese, then maybe he'd make a cool Otori. He could co-star as one of the fighters maybe. I've also heard he's quite good ^_^ No, I'm thinking of a Japanese ninja guy who I'm killing myself cause I can't remember his name! *hits self over head with lamp like Doby in HP* Come Sophie think... He was in that big movie thing!
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 05 2005, 11:05 pm
Big movie thing?

I'm finding this hard...I know more chinese people than japanese.....

We ought to think about finding a Makato as well. You know, Takeo monk friend?
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 05 2005, 11:20 pm
OH YES! WE HAVE TO FIND HIS BEST FRIEND!

It's okay ^_^ It's hard to tell the difference between the Chinese actrs and the Japanese ones when it comes to ninja movies. Personally, take all the Chinese people you want and stick them in the fight scenes, they know what they're doing (as long as people don't bounce off them like in the old Chinese ninja movies. That one where the Chinese guy goes to Japan and beats up all the Japanese people who were meant to have killed his teacher... It looked stupid!)

No, the guy I'm thinking about played one of the parts in that big samurai film that Tom Cruise was in (The Last Samurai), there are a few actors in there that could do the fighting scenes, or possibly play Otori or Takeo.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 05 2005, 11:26 pm
Oh, yes! That was a great film, and if we had some of those actors, they'd be fantastic! Which guy are you thinking of?
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 05 2005, 11:52 pm
There are two, the one who gets his hair cut off... who played Katsumoto (Ken Watanabe) I think he'd make a great Takeo. He's quite young and he fights fairly well. We must bare in mind that Takeo is a beginner when he starts out, isn't he?  And then there was the really good fighter who keeps kicking the crap out of Tom Cruise... Even if it isn't a major role, you have to have him in the movie! He's one of the best actors/fighters in Japan!

I REMEMBER NOW! Shin Koyamada is the one who gets his hair chopped off and keeps saying 'Jolly good!' And the one who teaches Tom Cruise how to fight properly is Hiroyuki Sanada. I can't believe I forgot him... He was in Ring too. I don't know why, but I think you have have those two at least somewhere in the 'Tales of Otori' movies (if there were any) ^_^

I don't know about the monk though... can you think of someone.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 05 2005, 11:57 pm
Hmm...needs to be fairly young.....japanese/oriental looking.....and needs to look ok with no hair....nope. All I can think of is some chinese actor who I have no name for. Makoto, Makoto, wherefore art thou Makoto?
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 06 2005, 12:00 am
lol! Yeah... Err... *thinks*... Lets think about it while we try and settle of a Lady Maruyama. We haven't tagged her to some yet, have we? Nor have we done one for Takeo really, or Lord Otori, I've just been making suggestions of actors who could do it, but should be stick somewhere even if they don't play it...

Where is Lady Maruyama, and where is our dear friend Makoto?

Let's think, bald Japanese men... *sigh* They've gotta be out there somewhere...

And Lady Maruyama... where's my list of Japanese models?
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 06 2005, 12:09 am
What about this person for Lady Maruyama?

http://www.japan-zone.com/modern/matsushima_nanako.shtml
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 06 2005, 12:30 am
She sounds good, she has the right look for the Lady and she's a good actress... That's perfect! Yeah... Add her to our cast list ^_^

_______________________________________ _

Directed/Casting by Cardwitch and Ruby Chan

Starring:

Ken Watanabe as Lord Iida
Satomi Ishihara as Kaede
<ACTOR MISSING> as Lord Otori
Nanako Matsushima as Lady Maruyama
<ANOTHER ACTOR MISSING> as Takeo
<YET ANOTHER ACTOR MISSING> as Makoto

Based on the novel 'Across the Nightingale Floor' by Lian Hearn
_______________________________________ _

Where the hell is our Makoto, Lord Otori and Takeo??? I wonder if Lian Heran had an idea about who could play the monk. There are a million actors out there and not one of them I can think of to play Makoto! I can't think of any young bald Japanese men...
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 06 2005, 12:39 am
http://www.mm52.com/japaneseidols/takuya_kimura/index.htm

Hmm..a Takeo, maybe?

http://www.japan-zone.com/modern/sanada_hiroyuki.shtml

Maybe a Lord Otori...but unlikely.
Title: Tales Of The Otori Fan Poster
Post by: Cardwitch on June 06 2005, 12:54 am
Hmmm... I rather like your choice of Takeo ^_^ (See reason I'm asking is cause I'm trying to design a fan poster ^_^) and personally, I think someone like Sanada is a good Otori.

Okay, here is the fan poster that I made based on what Ruby Chan and I were talking about.

http://www.freewebs.com/sophielou21/ATNF_FAN_POSTER1.PNG

PS: Question... How only is Lady Maruyama's daughter, Mariko? I'm just curious cause I have to re-read the first book cause I read it ages ago.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: cutie_cherry on June 06 2005, 05:13 am
Yeah, I've read the first two books and i'm planning on starting the third this summer holiday, seeing as i have no time to read any other time. I think the idea of a movie! I love you guys choices for actors and actresses to play the parts, especially Lady Maruyama.
i like your fanposter cardwitch, it's really pretty.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 06 2005, 05:27 am
Wow! Someone else posted here!

Love the fan poster, Cardwitch! And you put our names on it! Wow! I'm not sure how old the daughter is...Maruyama says Kaede's only a little older than her daughter, and Kaede is 15...so maybe she's 14?
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 07 2005, 05:55 am
Oh year, I remember now. I think that if they made the movie, they'd probably cut her daughter's age down a little bit more (seeing as she isn't a major player anyway), and power up Kaede and Takeo's ages. I don't know why, but they would do that... It's called adaption.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 07 2005, 06:09 am
Yup. The movie would have more impact if the lead roles were older, and more icon-y....instead of young teens that would make the movie more like a kid's turn ninja remake.

(Why did I just say that last comment? *_*)
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: satsuki-chan on June 07 2005, 06:46 pm
I READ THEM!!! im so proud of myself ^^ for finding this thread XDDD your nominees are pretty weird. and i really think the actors should be like REAL young looking... so i dont really agree with that takeo...
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 08 2005, 03:30 am
Ooooooo no! Don't make them young...

I think that the major players have to be older. Having a bunch of kids play to part just wouldn't work. You need to hirer good actors to play the part. You wouldn't power up the age of Takeo and Kaede too much, just enough for us to not be offended by the fact she has a baby... See what I mean.

Maybe she could be eighteen in a adaption, Takeo should be ninetween. As for Lady Maruyama and Lord Otori... I think they should be older then just thirty. I always imagined them to have a fatherly/motherly look to them, but also one that can look serious when they need to me.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 08 2005, 03:36 am
Yup! That's what I mean! Not young teens, as I don't think that would make a good movie with this plot....but eighteen/nineteen sounds perfect!

But the actors don't have to be those ages....afterall, most people are older than the part they play...(Olivia Newton John was way older than her role when she played Sandy in Grease)
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 08 2005, 05:10 am
That's true... I like the names that we came up with togteher (Especially Kaede and Naomi, they seem too good to be true ^_^), cause they're actors who can pass for various ages. I also imagined Lord Otori to have a good-looking, yet tough and fatherly look, one that would make you think 'Ooooooooooooooo, he's friendly, isn't he?' So I feel he'd have to look mature and like he knows how to fight. Lady Naomi Maruyama, I've always imagined to look like she's in her thirties, but still be faily beautiful and young looking. I also imagined her to be tall and graceful. Like I said before, I like to think of her as a motherly looking woman.

As for Takeo, I think he should be a rather 'pretty' looking guy... Just like the way Kaede sees him when they first meet. Faily handsome and attarctive. I got goosebumps when reading Kaede's account of Takeo. He sounded lovely. And Kaede should be a very beautiful looking person, who is rather delicate (cause that's sort of how I pictured her in the book).
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: satsuki-chan on June 09 2005, 12:18 pm
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you know how kaede becomesbold at the end of everything? well, i was complaining that 'cause i pull my hair back too much, ill become bold. and my friend whos pretty obsessed with tales of otori, says ill start looking like kaede. though im not that pale, the flesh under my nails go pretty purple at times...
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 11 2005, 08:11 pm
lol I imagine they'd have to stick a lot of hair into a head thing when the actress playing Kaede does that scene.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: scarecrow_wingz on June 11 2005, 08:30 pm
omg how can you guys NOT cast takeshi!!!!
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 11 2005, 08:41 pm
Takeshi? Explain please.....Ruby Chan's confused.LOL
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: satsuki-chan on June 11 2005, 10:53 pm
i thought takeshi died before even the series began...
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on June 12 2005, 08:44 pm
He did... So there's no point in casting Takashi.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 13 2005, 01:22 am
Unless we did some flashbacks...but he still wouldn't be a major character. And there are so many characters, there's no point casting them all here.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: satsuki-chan on June 13 2005, 05:46 pm
but then, maybe scarecrow meant takeo
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: scarecrow_wingz on June 14 2005, 05:21 pm
nono the actor!! Takeshi Kaneshiro!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v673/sakura_wingz/house-of-flying-daggers_2.jpg
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: satsuki-chan on June 14 2005, 10:22 pm
OH! so you mean... how can we not include him as a candidate?
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 15 2005, 05:10 am
What character would he play? Plus, isn't he a chinese actor? We were trying to steer away form chinese actors in case there was trouble between the japanese actors and the chinese actors.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: satsuki-chan on June 15 2005, 03:54 pm
well, just pay them more and maybe they wont fight. and the name seems japanese though 'takeshi'
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on August 03 2005, 08:19 pm
That might be hard... seeing as the Japanese and Chinese are anything other then friends. Besides, this film would probably be in Japanese and subtitled in English. So the Chinese person wouldn't only have to not fight, but speak Japanese... Which very little of them do. Remember, they're not Syaoran Li!
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on August 04 2005, 09:01 pm
Oh! I thought this thread had been deleted, because I couldn't find it!

I'm reading Brilliance Of The Moon at the moment......but I can't seem to get into it! It's a lot worse than the other two, I think.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on August 04 2005, 09:38 pm
I didn't like it either. The first one was the best as if had my two favourite characters in it (Lord Otori and Lady Maruyama), after they died, the stories just seemed to get less and less interesting. I'm not a huge fan of Kanae, though I like Yuki ^_^ I heard that there are going to be more book soon... Not about Takeo, of course, but about someone else. Probably his daughter or something.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Ruby Chan on August 04 2005, 09:46 pm
Really? I'll have to look into that!

But yeah...the first book was the best...not just because of the characters, but because the plot was much better developed, and things moved at a good pace. The second was alright, but could have been better. The third......I'm forcing myself to finish it here.
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: Cardwitch on August 04 2005, 10:05 pm
I know what you mean. I really can't wait for the new books... They sound so interesting! I think the one of the titles of the books is 'The Heron... something... something' I know one of the titles has 'Heron' in it. I can't wait!!! *sigh* I didn't like 'Grass for his Pillow' that much at all. If they ever did make a film, I'd guess that people would only come to see the first one... lol! There were some things in 'GfhP' and 'BotM' that I didn't get. I didn't really understand... nor really want to understand what was going on. lol!

But 'AtNF' was good ^_^
Title: Re: Tales Of The Otori
Post by: White Puma on September 12 2005, 07:48 am
why is it that my fav characters always die :( poor Shigeru he was so great. Oh I cant wait to read book3 why the hell it didnt come out in greece till now!!!!