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Title: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: harry_kinomoto on May 31 2005, 11:54 am
To minimuze the injuries from beatings by all you obsessed fans :hehe: I'll first say that I am a MAD fan of Card Captor Sakura (Tomoyo FOREVER :D), and was thus attractted to Tsubasa Chonicle upon hearing rumours of a sequel. But well...perhaps it is just me but I didn't really find it catch my fancy...

Primary reason was that it became annoyingly obvious how they were writing just to attract viewers. For them, CCS sold, hence the reusing of characters that looked EXACTLY the same, with EXACTLY the same personalities. Also the awfully contrived trailers to the next episode by Mokona...urrgh...

Second reason is the storyline-it's just unrealistically "feelgood"-not that being "feelgood" was bad (CCS IMO was tastefully feelgood), but well like...Sakura can simle and convert a bad guy of many years!? That's just a bit...unrealistic, no?

What do you all think? Is it just me? Or alternatively, do share with me the reasons why you all like the anime so much!
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Robin Sena on May 31 2005, 12:19 pm
When Ozamu Tezuka recycles most of his characters for the later series with most having a minor character change, did people complain? I think not.

CLAMP still has a bit more way to go when it comes to perfect porting old characters on new series, but I think they're getting there.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: lika-chi on May 31 2005, 12:21 pm
it was really bad in the beginning in my point of view.. but it's not getting worse.. it's getting better and better.. THANKFULLY!!

i still don't like a few things but it's getting better and better right now..
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Okamirei on May 31 2005, 12:24 pm
It's not as good as the manga, I can say that. But thankfully the anime is gradually, but slowly getting better. Mostly because of its support by it's art quality and music.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Robin Sena on May 31 2005, 12:25 pm
At least you got a good reason, not some random "this sucks!" remark the the one I read from another forum.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: lika-chi on May 31 2005, 01:36 pm
tsubasa doesn't suck.. ok it's not as good as the manga but so.. most anime aren't as good as the manga.. DUH!! they have to rush more things in the anime..

some people just watch ONE episode of an anime and say they don't like it. the beginning will be bad most of the time but then it gets better and better by the episode. just like tsubasa and other anime.

you can't fall in love with a new anime by the first episode right away. unless it was a second season or you saw something about it before.

ok harry kinomoto.. i understand the sakura smiling and making the bad guy good part.. but that CAN happen. i mean like if you nice to someone who's bad.. you might change their heart.. if basically depends on how you would see it. but then again who says that anime is realistic. i mean like if you expect everything in any anime to be realistic.. then you're living in a fantasy world.. take CCS. you expect there to really be clow cards in this world somewhere??
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Ruby Chan on May 31 2005, 09:31 pm
I thin you're being a bit harsh on poor TRC here...it's not as good as the manga, but like someone said b4, most anime aren't because they don't have enough time to give the storylines.

The characters are based around the same mould because they've been chosen as fan's favourite CLAMP characters - if you saw Sakura and Syaoran in another manga, wouldn't you be furious if their design had been changed, and Sakura was rude, and Syaoran was a coward or something? And they don't look exactly the same, just very similar, so fans can recognise them.

So far, the story is focusing on the power of Sakura's heart, because anyone who hasn't seen CCS won't be very attached to her yet. Syaoran's had a lot of screentime, so the viewers will like him...but they need soemthing to make Sakura popular with the fans.

I thikn this anime has a lot of promise, and I can't wait for it to continue!
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: harry_kinomoto on June 02 2005, 10:16 am
I think the grouse I had with the recycling of characters is how I felt (perhaps albeit unreasonably) that it implies them lazy to think of a new character. I mean, if they successfully created a character that has nothing at all in common with Syaoran except say his strength of heart, and entirely new character could have been created. It shows they are trying to be more creative, and hopefully be able to give fans a refreshing new character that has equal or even more appeal than our dear old Little Wolf.

And yes...the thing on realism. Granted no form of magic can appear in this world, but what I found impressive in CCS was that they managed to integrate the whole idea into a scene, with all its typical schooldays and teasings, that seemed just human. That "smile" incident, however, was just a bit too sudden-even too fairytale for me...

I hope I have made sense. I think I'm thinking too much (what an oxymoron :sweatdrop:), following too odd a code, but anyways~I'm willing to give TRC another few chances! Indeed the music-especially the background choral music-deserves much praise. As I typed the previous post I had already watched the first 4 episodes, so I'm off to download the 5th. Thanks for the comments all, and do keep them coming!
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Sya0ran on June 02 2005, 10:31 am
I agree with you yet I disagree with you.  What I mean is that TRC is completely different from CCS.  We really shouldn't compare them since all that is really the same in it is the reusing of characters.  Which isn't bad since its what attracted a lot of us to TRC first of all.

Sakura converting a bad guy of many years is very possible.  Sakura is pretty much useless right now but she soon gets better since she doesn't have a lot of her memories back.  The manga of course is waaaaay better than the anime but the anime is loved by many due to the help of the improved art and the music.

The bad guy converting into a nice guy is a nice touch, although I see no point in it for the storyline.  Still, it just shows that a person can change if they meet a significant person who has the ability to do that to them.  In this case, Sakura.  A person can have a change of heart right?  Even if it does seem so sudden and unreal it can happen.

Even a person that's good can convert to bad in a matter of time.  Example:  Star Wars Anakin Skywalker turns into a bad guy and the etc etc.  The way you live your life is chosen by you, if you wanna be good then so be it.  If you wanna be bad, then go on.  Nobody is stopping you.  The rroad of life works in mysterious ways...lol

At first, I started critisizing the anime for every minor thing because I figured the anime should be completely near perfect.  I was proven wrong of course.  But now its gradually getting better now that I haven't been whining about every small wrong detail.  We all just had high expectations of the anime and judged it from the first episode and so on.

We all need to let the anime just go on as it is.  Were not the creators, just fans who love TRC but we have no right to tell the makers how to do this and how to do that.  Hmm...this got pretty long.  XD  Anyway, the manga is still  way better than the anime but the anime is coming along nicely if they keep it up the way it is.

We all expected that it would be different from the manga so there you go.  Its different.   :heh:
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: .::ka::. on June 05 2005, 12:36 am
Well, it's really that manga is better than anime, but somehow, anime has some good things ^___^ And I really enjoy both, now, let us believe in future ( hey, it's familiar , lol, ^_______^)
Even IF TRC anime is get worse, I still watching them.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Pickthelock on June 05 2005, 02:58 am
The manga is fabolous in my opinion. The anime, I saw one episode and was bored. I saw episode 5, and I could just tell it was lazily done. They didn't have the huge crowd when Primera showed up, and Fai's flying kudan scene wasn't as cool as I hoped. And the character design on some people is terrible. They totally screwed up Yuko, and Fai isn't that great. I think Toya looks fantastic, and Primera looks really cute. Mokona I thought was perfect. I like the themesong scenes as well, but it really wasn't that great. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse
Post by: mallow on June 05 2005, 05:59 pm
I think it just the begining of the anime , where they have to put in some scenes to give you an insight of the charcter though from the anime or manga you have seen before they might have change a little of their personality, background or character. It may be annoying or furious for clamp fan seeing changes in their favourite character. I have oni seen cardcaptor sakura of clamp work so it seems ok to me.

But I think it is going to ba a little draggy, not like in CCS each episode have some sort of ending like caught a card.... TRC hm.. they met new ppl introduce, meet baddies ........   I think it got to be a supper long anime.

We can't judge it now as there may be some "peaks" or changes in the anime as it goes on.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: angel on June 05 2005, 07:16 pm
well the manga is way better than the anime...
but den the anime is now improving.... getting better n better... but still soemtimes the character r drawn abit weird n sometimes i dun get y some things happen...
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: libra on June 05 2005, 07:55 pm
Anything they do depend on their ability to improve it... If their lazy,.. of course getting more worse... :sweatdrop:
Anime more better because they scan from manga into computer and animate it...
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 05 2005, 09:13 pm
Just a thought....are you complaining about the manga/anime/both?

Mnaga is way better than the anime, because it has so much that was cut out of the anime. But although the anime has been badmouthed, I think it's pretty good. It just needs a bit of time to achieve the depth that the manga has.

I was surprised when people said they were attracted to it because they'd heard it was a sequel....in all my surfing time, I never saw anywhere that this anime/manga was being advertised as a CCS sequel. Everywhere I looked said it was putting the characters in a diff plot and setting.

I love this CLAMP creation, because it gives me a chance to get to know some more characters from CLAMP work, see my fav characters again, and discover new ones, like Fai and Kurogane. This manga/anime has a lot of promise, in my opinion.

There. Done with my rant now.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse
Post by: libra on June 05 2005, 09:28 pm
Just a thought....are you complaining about the manga/anime/both?

Mnaga is way better than the anime, because it has so much that was cut out of the anime. But although the anime has been badmouthed, I think it's pretty good. It just needs a bit of time to achieve the depth that the manga has.

I was surprised when people said they were attracted to it because they'd heard it was a sequel....in all my surfing time, I never saw anywhere that this anime/manga was being advertised as a CCS sequel. Everywhere I looked said it was putting the characters in a diff plot and setting.

I love this CLAMP creation, because it gives me a chance to get to know some more characters from CLAMP work, see my fav characters again, and discover new ones, like Fai and Kurogane. This manga/anime has a lot of promise, in my opinion.

There. Done with my rant now.
I'm not complain, but my opinions ONLY...

Manga best because it real creations..., can look more emoticon than animations...
Yeah...,  manga had promise... It's done... :wink:
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Kitsune-chan on June 06 2005, 06:37 am
I think its just opinions... I agree with many, the manga is a lot better than the anime. But I guess it's sort of like the Harry Potter movies, if you haven't read the books, then you would think that the movies were awsome. So the same goes for the Tsubasa Chronicle. If you haven't read the manga before, you would think that the anime is great  :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Brad on June 06 2005, 12:49 pm
I think we need to know how long it will go for. Those bad guys really arn't doing anything! They really need to be more proactive. It's slower paced than those monster of the week animes.  :heh:

Love it.... but the anime is using a lot of Japanese anime cliches simply because it's "cool" or has worked before.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Sya0ran on June 06 2005, 03:29 pm
Yeah, I noticed that too.  Kinda annoying but I'll live.  xD  I don't think the series will even end at episode 26 even if they say so.  Most likely there will be OVA's and movies to finish it off or something like the TRC movie coming soon.  ^^;

Yep, I agree with the HP thing.  I was thinking that too since the original is always better but the movies are okay once you get used to it.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse
Post by: svr on June 12 2005, 12:09 am
come on ppl TRC aint dat bad, im a fan of CCS and the character recycling isnt dat great, most of the characters lost their glamer and shine that we know and love from CCS when TRC was brought about, maybe dats y some people think the TRC is not that good and all...
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Cherry tiger on June 15 2005, 04:49 pm
After watching episode 10, I am now feeling a little more hopeful in the anime. Seriously, the changes from the manga to anime irked me. I didn't like the Hanshin arc as much... but the latest arc, the Koryo (is that right? @.@) arc had the most interesting changes. I didn't like it at first, but now am slowly warming up to me. This anime has potential... you just have to wait until the end to totally give your review.

Until now, I'm flying back and forth. Loving and hating it... >.>

And yes, it is wrong to compare TRC with CCS. I like to think of TRC as a whole new creation using older characters in a great twist of defining different dimensions as pointed out in XXX-Holic. Which is what attracts me the most... the fact that there are other people out there, just like you, but because of different circumstances, is not like you.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Hira on June 18 2005, 09:16 am
I didn't like the Hanshin part, either because the animation was somewhat deviated from the Manga.  CLAMP's plot in the manga always contain something thoughtful (Except for the ending in Rg Veda, didn't see that massive bloodbath coming...   :shifty:).  That's why I think if the anime just followed the path where Syaoran would end up in Sorata's house in the first place like the manga did and have that puppet talk (I really like that puppet talk from Sorata), it would be more perfect than it is now.
So far, there are only two things disappointing me...
1. Mokona sounds more human...
2. They cut out some "vital" funny part that you can only find in the manga...

Everything else is good, but I'd still hope for more funny parts and Q- pic version of the characters<-- Those are good moments.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Ruby Chan on June 19 2005, 08:39 pm
How can Mokona sound more human? As far as I can tell, he uses the same phrases...maybe you're just not used to hearing him speak, rather than imagining his voice?

I still realy like this series. Although I thought that the extra bit of Sakura and Syaoran entering the Ryan'ban's castle before the rest do was a bit pointless. Kawaii....but pointless, as they were going to end up there anyway later.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: aLie-ChAn on June 22 2005, 11:12 pm
well, it's not DAT bad 4 me......kinda liking da anime though ^^ *see ppl u juzt haf 2 get used 2 it* ^___^ *hops* eppy 10 waz nice! manga is also v. AWESOME! ^^
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse
Post by: Eriol on June 29 2005, 05:09 pm
I really like TRC very much even though it's not yet read its manga or anime series(I watched 4 episodes yet)but hey,I just feel that there are some romantic moment that seen through it like Sakura+Syaoran in CCSakura!!:okay:
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Xiao_Lang on June 29 2005, 06:28 pm
Well, so many people said it was bad from the first episode. to be honest that really didn't give it enough time. you can't really judge an episode by the first episode... thats a bit harsh

but now its moved on some people are saying its getting worse, but some say its getting better, so it seems there are pretty mixed opinions. which is good i guess. balence is good

personally I think an anime is sometimes (not always) what the viewer makes it. if in their heart they really feel they want to enjoy it... i think sometimes they will, dispite some small things which I know people have pointed out that are a tad out of line and not correct..

I am trying my best not to compare CCS to TRC. They are seperate, also you have to remember, the manga will always be so much better. the manga nearly always is. and anime will never follow the manga it came from completely. Even CCS didn't follow the manga. ack, there I go comparing again!  :sweatdrop:

anyway, basically, I am one of those sad fans who loves TRC so much that is really doesn't matter what mistakes they've made so far, I will always love it ^^;
however, I know that I will be upset if anything in the future is changed that I love. Please Bee Train! don't let us down!
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: mogmogboy88 on August 21 2005, 09:01 am
i prefer any anime over manga. im not really a fan of manga because i detest any type of book.  books lack the feel animes give me. im just not into it when i read a manga.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: LittleKitty3989 on August 21 2005, 04:01 pm
Well, I love the manga, and while I haven't yet seen an episode of the anime I've seen enough screenshots and read enough episode summaries to be able to tell that they've changed quite a few things, for example, "Innocent Wanderer" which is the 2nd or 3rd episode in the Anime series, is COMPLETELY original to the anime . It does annoy me that they've changed so much , but as someone mentioned in an earlier post, they change things in ALL animes, so I guess all of us fans have to enjoy the anime for what it is and try to forgive them from diverging from the manga.....
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: moezychan on August 22 2005, 03:20 am
For me, I like the anime, but the manga, in my opinion, is better. It goes more into depth with the characters and I wouldn't have known that Syaoran was blind in his right eye if I hadn't read the manga. They give notice to it in the anime, but they put more depth in the manga.

But in defense of the anime, each television company allows only so much airtime. It's for this reason that if they followed the manga word for word in the anime, they'd run out of time, so they, unfortunately, have to leave some of the minor details out. It is upsetting, but most likely the cost to run a show is more expensive than to write/draw a manga.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: mogmogboy88 on August 22 2005, 03:56 am
For me, I like the anime, but the manga, in my opinion, is better. It goes more into depth with the characters and I wouldn't have known that Syaoran was blind in his right eye if I hadn't read the manga. They give notice to it in the anime, but they put more depth in the manga.

But in defense of the anime, each television company allows only so much airtime. It's for this reason that if they followed the manga word for word in the anime, they'd run out of time, so they, unfortunately, have to leave some of the minor details out. It is upsetting, but most likely the cost to run a show is more expensive than to write/draw a manga.

true.

for the blind thing, you can tell before kurogane mentions it.  syaoron gets slashed on the right arm and his right eye shows a glint. usually they dont animate or show things that are unimportant (animating is ,afterall, an expensive process).  his right eye is glass right
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Shadeslayer on August 22 2005, 04:43 am
In the beggining, I wasn't too fond of TRC. I didn't want Sakura to loose her memories and to be a princess. But as I read more of the manga and saw more of the anime, I began to like it more. Now, I really like TRC, but I still prefer CCS.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Arcademan on August 22 2005, 10:32 am
To me...good or bad isn't an issue. I'm enjoying it lots. Are there better animes and could this one have been done better? Most likely however I'll still take it. As far as the manga/anime comparison, the manga is better, then again, I think the anime would be more boring if they repeated it exactly like the manga. They had to do some tweaking to make it worth watching. Whether you approve of the 'tweaking' is a matter of opinion :)
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: moezychan on August 23 2005, 04:19 am
To me...good or bad isn't an issue. I'm enjoying it lots. Are there better animes and could this one have been done better? Most likely however I'll still take it. As far as the manga/anime comparison, the manga is better, then again, I think the anime would be more boring if they repeated it exactly like the manga. They had to do some tweaking to make it worth watching. Whether you approve of the 'tweaking' is a matter of opinion :)

I agree with Arcademan/PixieP. If CLAMP copied the manga word for word, what would be the point of watching the series? You would always know what happened and that would be boring. Differences set things apart and make them unique!
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Miss Jenni-Maie on August 23 2005, 04:37 am
I have mixed feelings about the anime.  I love it so far, but there are still spots here and there where I'm thinking, "Well, that could have gone better."
I guess my only complaint is the animation. It's great and all, but sometimes there will be a couple characters standing there looking comletely stiff. [The great example, the first episode where Touya and Yukito are talking in the castle and Touya looks like a cardboard cutout, even when he's talking, haha.] If they could get them to MOVE a bit, hehe.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Shadeslayer on August 23 2005, 04:50 am
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I have mixed feelings about the anime.  I love it so far, but there are still spots here and there where I'm thinking, "Well, that could have gone better."
I guess my only complaint is the animation. It's great and all, but sometimes there will be a couple characters standing there looking comletely stiff. The great example, the first episode where Touya and Yukito are talking in the castle and Touya looks like a cardboard cutout, even when he's talking, haha.] If they could get them to MOVE a bit, hehe.

Ummm...Yes, Very True....
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: AkaiYuki on August 23 2005, 03:15 pm
The only thing that bothers me is how slow both the manga and anime are... Sorry, but we know nothing about Fai's relationship with Ashura or even Chii. (Whom he hasn't even mentioned..) We don't even know the purpose of his tattoo... And it hasn't even been hinted at except maybe twice. And I love Tomoyo, but they have been in that Piffle World (I don't know the name...) way too long...
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Moon on August 27 2005, 04:16 pm
I enjoy the anime. It's good, as far as I know. The manga has gone much farer according to what I've heard, in Japan.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: KirakiraInu on August 28 2005, 05:04 am
Well, to me, the first few episodes of the anime weren't exactly great, but the episodes that were shown this past few weeks have compleatly changed my mind! Okay, so they're still not really as good as the manga, but they've gotten tons better, and I now always really look forward to watching it!
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Arcademan on August 28 2005, 08:32 am
I enjoy the anime. It's good, as far as I know. The manga has gone much farer according to what I've heard, in Japan.

The Japanese version is one year ahead of the English translated version.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Moon on August 28 2005, 08:52 am
Oh. Well, very far ahead then. :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Fye-chan on August 29 2005, 02:25 am
I like the anime really much but it bothers me that they make it not so funny and with the action as it is in the manga!!! -_-
After I saw the 19th episode I think it will be better but ...hmmm I prefer the manga.
But hey: if you get the anime free why not looking it, right? :rotfl:
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: ishiyaki on January 03 2006, 09:45 am
I think manga is better than anime. firstly, anime doesn't alike much to clamp's style, althought their style is complicated...curiously, I find more atractive no animated anime images...It sounds extrange, but some scenes from anime aren't so good.  :sad5:
then, story (like in others anime) changes a lot; I don't like that. at the moment, I prefer manga...there are more drama and...blood... jeje :heh:
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Kuro-puppy on January 03 2006, 03:15 pm
it's just that TRC is sort of a sequel and my experience as a gamer tells me that a sequeal is very rarily as good as the first

so don't go complain about TRC not being as good as CCS since that is natural!
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Cardcaptor Takato on January 04 2006, 12:53 am
To minimuze the injuries from beatings by all you obsessed fans :hehe: I'll first say that I am a MAD fan of Card Captor Sakura (Tomoyo FOREVER :D), and was thus attractted to Tsubasa Chonicle upon hearing rumours of a sequel. But well...perhaps it is just me but I didn't really find it catch my fancy...

Primary reason was that it became annoyingly obvious how they were writing just to attract viewers. For them, CCS sold, hence the reusing of characters that looked EXACTLY the same, with EXACTLY the same personalities. Also the awfully contrived trailers to the next episode by Mokona...urrgh...

Second reason is the storyline-it's just unrealistically "feelgood"-not that being "feelgood" was bad (CCS IMO was tastefully feelgood), but well like...Sakura can simle and convert a bad guy of many years!? That's just a bit...unrealistic, no?

What do you all think? Is it just me? Or alternatively, do share with me the reasons why you all like the anime so much!
First off, Tsubasa isn't a sequel to CCS.  It's really more of a spin-off.  The characters in Tsubasa may share the same names and faces to the CCS characters, but they are considered to be completely different characters because it takes place in an alternate universe to CCS.  Sakura and Shaoran are supposed to have the same personalties as their CCS counterparts because even though they may be different people in a different universe, they'll all have the same soul no matter which universe you go to.  Fai even says this himself in one episode.  That's why Sorata and Arashi are always together in the different worlds even though they're in another alternate reality.  Besides, if Clamp drastically changed the personalities of Sakura and Shaoran, two of their most popular characters, the fans wouldn't like it at all that they changed their favorite characters so drastically.

About Sakura converting a bad guy to being good, that episode was a filler-in that was created for the anime version only and wasn't in the original manga.  You have to remember that Tsubasa is a children's anime in Japan, so some cheesiness is to be expected.  CCS was also a kid's show and had cheesiness in it, too.  Remember the whole "If I believe in the cards, I can save the world!" thing from episode 69 of CCS?  Admittedly, when Tsubasa was first released, I thought it was going to be a terrible idea.  I'm not much of a big fan of crossovers, so when I heard Clamp was going to create a series that crossed over all of their most popular characters, I thought Clamp had finally sold out and I wasn't going to have anything at all to do with Tsubasa.

But then the anime was released and the first episode was fansubbed, so curiosity got the better of me and I decided to check it out.  The first episode was ok but wasn't the greatest.  The biggest thing I didn't like about it was the whole thing about Sakura being the princess of a kingdom where abosuletly everyone is in love with her and thinks she's perfect.  I thought that was really cheesy too, but I just reminded myself that Tsubasa is a children's anime, so some cheesiness is to be expected.  The quality of the animation wasn't all that great compared to Clamp's other series, either.  I was really hoping Madhouse would animate Tsubasa as they've animated most of Clamp's other works, so I wasn't quite used to Bee-Train's style.  I especially hated how ridiciously skinny the characters looked, particulary Yukito, and how odd the faces looked sometimes, but eventually I started to get adjusted to it.  The second episode was mostly a lot of talking with not much action or comedy until near the end of the episode and then episode three had too many annoying flashbacks.  I thought episode four was kawaii, but it including the part about Sakura converting the bad guy to being good was an anime-only storyline.  The whole Hanshin arc itself was pretty predictable and somewhat of a bore and for a while, I was debating myself whether or not I should drop Tsubasa.  Then, they started the whole arc with Chun Yang and I started to fall in love with it.  I don't know what it was about the arc with Chun Yang that impressed me so much, but the quality of the animation really started improving tremdously and I found the story and characters of that world to be really interesting and exiciting.  I really liked Kurogane and Fai's battle with Kishmi and the story about Chun Yang's mother was really sad.  I loved the world with Emeraudehime even more with its interesting mystery, but by far the best arc has to be the Outo world, with all the oni slaying and just the really cool plot twist it has.

At first Fai was my least favorite character because they weren't giving him any character development at all.  In fact, pretty much the only character they were developing was Kurogane, who happened to be my favorite Tsubasa character.  However, in recent episodes, they've started to give Fai more character development and I'm really starting to like him a lot more.  We've still got two more seasons to go, so I should give the development with Fai's character a chance.  I haven't really read much of the manga, so I can't say how good it is compared to the anime, but most Tsubasa fans like the manga more than they do the anime, so if you don't like the Tsubasa anime very much Harry, you should give the manga a try.  You seem like you'll enjoy that a lot more.  I myself think what little I've read of the manga is better than the anime, but the manga isn't quite the same without the anime's awesome soundtrack.  There are still some things about Tsubasa I don't like, like the Hanshin arc and the filler-in episodes of the anime are boring, but I really think the animation and storyline just keeps on improving.  I still don't like Tsubasa as much as I do CCS or some of Clamp's other works, but Tsubasa has definetly impressed me more than it did at the beginning, so I'm looking forward to the rest and highly recommend sticking it out, at least until the arc with Chun Yang, Harry.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse
Post by: polarius on January 20 2006, 07:21 am
ohaiyou ^^
well if you think about it; most animes aren't as good as the manga series since they usually go into much further dept. it's kinda like books turned into movies...actually it's EXACTLY like books turned movies ^^;; I give them props for the good music and mokona's amazingly kawaii voice. I'm not too happy about sakura's "dansel in distress" status though. She's sakura after all; essentially the souls are the same [so they say] but it doesn't quite feel like this sakura is living up to the original's calibur. -_-

The idea of syaoran being the hero is a great idea, to switch it around since sakura is so kick *** in CCS [XD] So is the idea of combining all of clamp's work by saying it's a multi-verse. cross overs rawk. ^^b

Kuro-kun + Fai + Mokona = hilarity

But most of all, i miss syaoran's awkwardness T_T it made the anime/manga much more commical/cute.

lol now to actually answer the main comment at hand; getting bad? I don't think so. the lowest they got was when sakura "changed" that bad guy into a good guy because of her "warmth" that was about as cheesy as that macaroni dinosaur's commericals...and not in a good! >=[ But the recent episodes have more action in them so I say it's making the storyline pick up better.

of course nothing beats good ole fashion CCS hehe because there's no yuki to eat everything in site! T_T
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Xiao_Lang on January 23 2006, 04:51 am
I really don't think the anime is all that bad.

sure its different from the manga and deviates slightly but what anime doesn't?
The manga is better yes, but most manga's are better than anime because more time is taken over each page, in anime, not that much detail is put into every single shot, and its not CLAMP drawing it....

yes the anime is a little slow... but I think its trying to build up tension. CLAMP are going to drag this out as long as they can to keep us fans hanging on for dear life until we all rejoice in its conclusion! ^^
Perhaps this will be CLAMP's final manga?
;___;
they want to make it long, and good.

There are parts they could improve on in the anime of course, but I enjoy watching it so much, and appriciate all that it is. :)
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: kurogane_ariona on June 15 2006, 01:00 pm
well, since i'm too lazy  to read manga, ussually i'm more familiar with the series!! i dont think TRC is bad as some people used to think..TRC is a nice anime, with even the same characters but still it differs from CCS, well, i know maybe people tend to think and compared it with CCS, but i guess teh plot is different, CCS audience target basically are for children and yeah..anyone can enjoy it too since the anime is awesome, but TRC plot and story are much more for the matured audience..kids still love it if they like CCS, and from here,this is the difference between them!! i admit the flow of the story was quite slow but this anime was nice in terms  of music and storyline, characters itself...overall, its really anice anime..i've enjoyed season2 just like i enjoy watching the whole previous season!! that's it!! :hello2: whether its going to be worse or not..just wait and see!!
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse
Post by: Tenkuuken on June 15 2006, 01:18 pm
I've only watched Tsubasa Chronicle in its entire form, and I believe it supplies the excitement that the manga somehow lacks. Oh, and did I mention that I now forgive Animax in spite of its horrible dubbing?

In any case, a comparison between TRC and the anime could be in order to better appreciate the whole series. I don't think TRC is just a mere spin-off but rather a reinvention of the CLAMP characters we are very familiar with.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: moko-chan on June 17 2006, 10:29 pm
As most people say, (even me) the manga is better than the anime. But even so, I still love both manga and anime.

The negative things about the anime are:
1. they are so skinny! In the first episode, when Syaoran dragged Sakura off to get away from the people, she was like, being carried off like a doll! And also, that scene never happened in the manga.
2. the comedy is too little. The anime focuses more on the action and adventure. And that is what annoys me, expecially in Syaoran's case. In the manga, he shows more emotion than in the anime. Facial expression is very important. And well... in the manga, the cute/comical parts are, if not from kuro+fai+mokona, are from syaoran.
An example of this is in the world of that giant lake.
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In the manga, when Syaoran was already out of the lake, Mokona was like, "Syaoran! Sakura is! Sakura is! Sakura is!" and Syaoran goes, "Sakura is?!" Mokona replies, "Sakura is sleeping."
Then when Sakura wakes up, she shouts, "Syaoran is still in the lake!" and she runs off towards the lake, Mokona dangling on her clothes. Syaoran runs after her and takes her by the shoulders from behind saying, "I'm right here!" Read the manga. It's quite hard to explain really. And also in the world of the rabbit-like creatures, I dunno if anyone found this funny, but I was giggling when i read it. Nuts were falling from the sky and Syaoran was like, "A nut?!" and later on, he gets hit on the head with a nut and falls unconcious.
so far those are the things i dont like.

And of course, if there's a negative side, there has to be a positive side. (Universal Balance... ahehehe :sweatdrop:)
The positive side about the anime:
1. the music. The music is very good. I enjoy it a lot. Especially the background music. The insert songs are also great, as well as the opening and ending songs.
2. voice. the anime of course has voice. I think the seiyuu for the characters did well. Though i think fai has a bit of a low voice. i mean, for that happy personality he shows, it could have been a bit more... um... how do i descibe it... um... well the animax dub of Fai is okay, kinda like that. But of course, Daisuke-san did very well as Fai.
3. the action scenes. Action scenes are better in anime since you actually see it moving and everything, unlike in the manga where it's just a drawing. and we all know drawings/pictures dont move. --unless you're in the world of Harry Potter where photos really do move. :keke:

I'm not against the anime or the manga or anything. I love both.

As for the recycling of characters, it's okay with me. Well, it is actually said to be a crossover.
From Wikipedia: 'CLAMP cites that Tsubasa and xxxHOLiC are meant to tie all of their works together yet still stand alone as their own story.'

this is quite long, isn't it? Well, that's basically all I wanted to say...

And TC is not getting worse. I think it's going better. Even if it's just bit by bit...
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: yukie on June 23 2006, 07:05 am
Yes, it really is getting better. The storyline has picked up its pace without missing anything and I think that's wonderful.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: ishiyaki on June 23 2006, 07:09 am
Yeah. Maybe persons who has seen the latest chapters could think that TRC is "gore" and very bloody. Demo, that's Clamp's style: in a side cute and pink; in the other side, bloody and very tragic. All this is the ingredients of its succes. :)
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Anime4you on July 04 2006, 08:57 pm
I'm not a good anime critic but I think TRC is a great anime ... I don't think is better than CCS ( I loved and I love it) but I like TRC too...I like the characters style a lot... Maybe isn't a very good idea to borrow them  from other anime but even so I think isn't a bad or a worse anime...*my opinion"
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: little kittie san on August 04 2006, 07:06 am
it's just you cuz fans wants to see more of sakura and syaoran. ALSO CCS moved it's epsiode by ONE CARD at a time. thats same as TRC which SOME epsiodes are moved by feathers or/and mokona. and i'm happy to see syaoran and sakura again.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: AznFFTRCCCSxxxholicGirl on September 01 2007, 12:38 am
The Japanese version is one year ahead of the English translated version.
yea u're kinda right about that......................
.....................but............... ......................
nvm.............
I don't think u'll understand......................
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Sandra-chan on September 01 2007, 04:30 am
To minimuze the injuries from beatings by all you obsessed fans :hehe: I'll first say that I am a MAD fan of Card Captor Sakura (Tomoyo FOREVER :D), and was thus attractted to Tsubasa Chonicle upon hearing rumours of a sequel. But well...perhaps it is just me but I didn't really find it catch my fancy...

Primary reason was that it became annoyingly obvious how they were writing just to attract viewers. For them, CCS sold, hence the reusing of characters that looked EXACTLY the same, with EXACTLY the same personalities. Also the awfully contrived trailers to the next episode by Mokona...urrgh...

Second reason is the storyline-it's just unrealistically "feelgood"-not that being "feelgood" was bad (CCS IMO was tastefully feelgood), but well like...Sakura can simle and convert a bad guy of many years!? That's just a bit...unrealistic, no?

What do you all think? Is it just me? Or alternatively, do share with me the reasons why you all like the anime so much!

Well I don't like the anime, at all actually,  there are some very few things that are good but mostly I don't like it. I love the manga and to me the anime and manga are so different in many ways so it would take to long for me to write it all down.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Rina-hime on December 02 2007, 08:13 pm
its just you, buddy..
its just you..............
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Arcademan on December 03 2007, 01:50 pm
Gotta love the n00bs, bumping up old threads. OY!!!

Anime sucks...manga rocks. Live with that! :D
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: KobayashiSama on January 28 2008, 06:00 am
Perhaps this will be CLAMP's final manga?
;___;
they want to make it long, and good.


Nope, they've recently made a new series called Kobato. It's cute and funny. =)  




lol now to actually answer the main comment at hand; getting bad? I don't think so. the lowest they got was when sakura "changed" that bad guy into a good guy because of her "warmth" that was about as cheesy as that macaroni dinosaur's commericals...and not in a good! >=[   But the recent episodes have more action in them so I say it's making the storyline pick up better.


lol! I couldn't stop laughing for at least 10 minutes. That was too funny.



Now for my opinion is that the manga is by far the better than the anime (considering now that the anime that BeeTrain showed is done). As many people have said before me the anime doens't really show the deep character developments in the manga and they don't have as much funnys as there is in the manga. I believe that the little mini-fights between Mokona and Fay show what Kurogane's true character is like unlike the character he tries to show off when he first meets Fay, Syaoran, Mokona, and Sakura-chan. The manga most of the time is usually better than the anime and in the anime there are always going to be changes because if they did do word from word and exactly what was done in the anime then there wouldn't be enough time and the anime would go on for all eternity. Also, I think it's also the same with that they don't want to do it exactly like the manga becuase people who have read the manga will know what's going to happen next and to some people that is/might be a bore. I personally like the whole different dimensions and universes and the use of old characters because as Yuuko-san had said in the manga (and anime) that even though you may see a person that looks like someone you know it's might/not be same person because they and them are from a different world. (I also came to the conclusion on my own that the body is nothing but a shell and any soul can posses it. The body is not the same as the soul and will not always be together with that same body).

I don't compare Tsubasa Chronicles with Card Captor Sakura because as said in previous posts it is suppose to be it's own seperate story and universe. The characters are suppose to have the same base qualities because even though they live in different environment and situations the soul is the same. I have never compared Tsubasa Chronicles with Card Captor Sakura because it isn't suppose to be the same, and whoever said that it was a sequel to Card Captor Sakura doesn't really....hmmm....I don't want to sound rude, but they can't read. CLAMP even said themselves that Tsubasa Chronicles was it's own seperate story. (I think I just repeated myself. )  :icon_tongue:

The anime, like i've said before, I don't  like as much as the manga. However, I do have some things I like in the anime. For example. The music in Tsubasa Chronicles was totally amazing. I fell in love with it because it seemed to fit the anime so well and with the manga. There were cute scenes in the anime (some that weren't in the manga) and that made it awesome to sit here at my computer and watch. I loved to see Sakura-chan's many outfits in color and some outfits that weren't even shown in the manga (so even more outfits.  :okay: ) The seiyuu's for each character were perfect. I don't think there could be anymore perfect people to play as their seiyuu's. I foremember that someone said that they thought Fay's voice too low. Well, I think personally, that it's pretty much the perfect voice because Fay is calm and cheery. He's full of mystery (and sad past) that he hides behind that smile of his. It's really like a cover up that he tries to play, but as the series goes on I do beleive he changes into that personality. (they all go through a change of some sort.)

I like how BeeTrain drew Sakura-chan and the different color of her hair and everything and with the other characters. As said before me though, they were way to thin. I was really debating whether all the character in there had that disease where the body is disporotional (where there arms are longer than their legs) and they are like super super thin. I can't remember what that disease is called...I remember when Tsubasa Chronicles came out I was doing a project over that disease so yeah. I couldn't help but think that when I first watched the anime. I'm also dispointed that Mad House didn't do Tsubasa Chronicles as I thought they would. I personally think Mad House is perfect for CLAMP's work because they make it very close like it. (I'm really happy that they did CLAMP in Wonderland 2.)

Overall, I like Tsubasa Chronicles (manga) better than Card Captor Sakura as a whole. Don't get me wrong, I still very much love Card Captor Sakura but I always dreamed and hoped that CLAMP would make a dimensional traveling series and someone close to Sakura-chan being one of the main characters (this was way before Tsubasa Chronicles came out) and when they announced it I was estatic. So yeah, I like it more.

 :sweatdrop: This came out longer than I expected.  :sweatdrop: Sorry!  
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Arcademan on January 28 2008, 07:33 am
If Madhouse did TRC and stuck more faithfully to the manga story arcs, especially with the second season, this thread would not even exist (Madhouse did CCS, Tokyo Babylon, X and Chobits for CLAMP).

Sorry,,,there's no comparison between the manga and anime. As mentioned, the musical score from the anime was well done, even  though it was rather repetitive in many episodes.

One last note... the concept of TRC isn't even a new one...it's been done to death as many comic book collectors and fans know, still, the interaction within the CLAMP Universe of TRC did sell me into obtaining all of CLAMP's past work so some good came from it for me.

Final note... CCS > TRC...not a contest :D
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Foxeyes91 on January 30 2008, 06:38 pm
Well I'm sorta understand what you mean
Like I'm a big fan of CCS too I thought the book was cute and funny, so when I heard of Tsubasa being relesed I thought it would be cool too because Syaoran was my fav. character =P
At first I thought Tsubasa was cute (sorta like CCS) It showed they loved each other and stuff..... but later on It sorta just started losing my attenetion  :sweatdrop: Oooh but don't get me wrong I've read alot of them and it can be funny buuut I guess I'm more into alittle more romace than all action and stuff  :P
I still gotta say so far... my fav. TRC is the first one ;)
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Takeru on February 09 2008, 03:42 am
yea u're kinda right about that......................
.....................but............... ......................
nvm.............
I don't think u'll understand......................
...I'm sorry, what?

Kids, get your notes ready! Here is the basic formula for TRC: Throw all previous works in a blender. Press blend. Stop. Throw in a time travel machine, all concepts of parallel universes extrapolated upon by Michael Moorcock, two characters that are clearly designed to be exploited as a yaoi couple, and a talking manjuu. Press blend again. Stop. Clone Syaoran. Put both in the blender. Blend. Stop. Boom! You have TRC.

I lost patience quite early after the beginning of the show, so I only saw a few episodes into Season 2 before I got fed up with TRC.

My primary complaints about TRC are all surrounding the main characters. Syaoran is a soulless, mindless robot who is pretty much programmed to follow Sakura everywhere. How come he never cracks a joke, huh? He just sits there, nods his head whenever Sakura says something, and smiles blankly into space. Sakura herself lacks personality and fails to be as bubbly, giggly or even as resolute or determined as her CCS origin, instead simply being content with sitting on the sidelines while her robot does everything for her. She's HOPELESS! Even the reluctant, defiant "But I'm just a normal girl, I can't be a Cardcaptor" Episode 1 CCS Sakura had more determination than ANY TRC Sakura in ANY of the 30-odd episodes I've seen. You know what Sakuar needs? SAKURA. NEEDS. A SWORD. She needs to stand up for herself and not let her machine do all the work for her. It would be a WONDERFUL student-mentor relationship if Syaoran taught Sakura martial arts and swordsmanship. That would have made an excellent premise.

The most intriguing characters are always the SIDE characters. Fai and Kurogane are legions more interesting than Syaoran and Sakura will ever seem to be, and Chun Hyang is one of my personal favorites. And that's FINE, good job Clamp, well done, but what happened to the two characters that debuted at the pinnacle of your success, hmm?

TRC revolves entirely around action and mindless bravado to move the story forward. It has as much depth as 300 and about as much modesty. But at least Leonidas has more personality than Syaoran.

I just recently watched Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha. Amazing storyline. Wonderful characters. And heartbreaking. The first two seasons were, at least. Then in the third season, everyone grows up, we get a bunch of random characters from out of nowhere, and everything's all MILITARY THEMED. What is this, GUNDAM? And I watched this, and I was like, "Wow, I hate this show now." THAT basically summarizes my feelings of the relationship between CCS and TRC.
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: hDuffr0x on March 06 2008, 01:07 am
^ I kinda agree with you.. most especially about Sakura being dull... but I still love the nime anyway...
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Arcademan on March 07 2008, 05:19 am
...I'm sorry, what?

Kids, get your notes ready! Here is the basic formula for TRC: Throw all previous works in a blender. Press blend. Stop. Throw in a time travel machine, all concepts of parallel universes extrapolated upon by Michael Moorcock, two characters that are clearly designed to be exploited as a yaoi couple, and a talking manjuu. Press blend again. Stop. Clone Syaoran. Put both in the blender. Blend. Stop. Boom! You have TRC.

I lost patience quite early after the beginning of the show, so I only saw a few episodes into Season 2 before I got fed up with TRC.

My primary complaints about TRC are all surrounding the main characters. Syaoran is a soulless, mindless robot who is pretty much programmed to follow Sakura everywhere. How come he never cracks a joke, huh? He just sits there, nods his head whenever Sakura says something, and smiles blankly into space. Sakura herself lacks personality and fails to be as bubbly, giggly or even as resolute or determined as her CCS origin, instead simply being content with sitting on the sidelines while her robot does everything for her. She's HOPELESS! Even the reluctant, defiant "But I'm just a normal girl, I can't be a Cardcaptor" Episode 1 CCS Sakura had more determination than ANY TRC Sakura in ANY of the 30-odd episodes I've seen. You know what Sakuar needs? SAKURA. NEEDS. A SWORD. She needs to stand up for herself and not let her machine do all the work for her. It would be a WONDERFUL student-mentor relationship if Syaoran taught Sakura martial arts and swordsmanship. That would have made an excellent premise.

The most intriguing characters are always the SIDE characters. Fai and Kurogane are legions more interesting than Syaoran and Sakura will ever seem to be, and Chun Hyang is one of my personal favorites. And that's FINE, good job Clamp, well done, but what happened to the two characters that debuted at the pinnacle of your success, hmm?

TRC revolves entirely around action and mindless bravado to move the story forward. It has as much depth as 300 and about as much modesty. But at least Leonidas has more personality than Syaoran.

I just recently watched Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha. Amazing storyline. Wonderful characters. And heartbreaking. The first two seasons were, at least. Then in the third season, everyone grows up, we get a bunch of random characters from out of nowhere, and everything's all MILITARY THEMED. What is this, GUNDAM? And I watched this, and I was like, "Wow, I hate this show now." THAT basically summarizes my feelings of the relationship between CCS and TRC.

Wow, that was totally brutally honest on your part. However....you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! I agree with every single word you said about the TRC anime. Fantastic post :)
Title: Re: Tsubasa Chronicle is getting from bad to worse...or is it just me?
Post by: Kuro-puppy on March 08 2008, 03:50 pm
OT: agree with "....." about Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha. 3rd season is an okay anime in it's own right but with those 2 wonderfull seasons before it it turned out to be biggest dissappointment of 2007 if you compare them >.<