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Title: Oh. My. God. *le scream*
Post by: Kjesta on August 18 2006, 04:48 am
So, I just found this on the unmentionable TRC board:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e174/mysticdawn5/Minitokyo.jpg

May I say I'm SO angry at BeeTrain it's not even expressable with words? Who the hell gave them the permission to publish something like that? (As far as I'm concerned CLAMP has nothing to do with this, BeeTrain did it on their own.)

Why can't they just let facts be facts and stop trying two squeeze a het romance in a place where it just doesn't belong? Gnarf!

*stomps off to sulk*

~*Kjesta*~
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Post by: Kuro-puppy on August 18 2006, 04:51 am
*warps in the topic*

*waves KuroXTomo flag*

*warps out of topic*
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Post by: Emiko on August 18 2006, 04:55 am
I saw that. I think it's pretty stupid, actually. It's not even the fact that I hate KuroTomo that makes me think this, either.

KuroTomo isn't canon. I'm not saying it never will be (I certainly don't think it will, but there are some people who hope for it.) but to presume such a thing is a big mistake. Bee Train loves using Tomoyo because she's a popular Clamp character and she brings in viewers. However, only real connection Tomoyo has to the group is through Kurogane. Thus, the easiest way to get more of her is to up the number of KuroTomo hints.

The anime is really pushing the KuroTomo relationship, and I don't really agree with it's decision. If KuroTomo were canon, fine, go ahead and publish the article. But when we've only had hints?! And when we've also had hints to other pairings?!

Come on, Bee Train. That's just stupid.

Yeah, Clamp has nothing to do with the anime, so they had nothing to do with this article.

Damn the het parade! Damn it!
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Post by: Paccy on August 18 2006, 04:55 am
That's... Dammit.
That's not likeable on my side. D:
*sulks along*
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Post by: charcoalz on August 18 2006, 04:56 am
o__O wow.
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Post by: mela on August 18 2006, 04:57 am
Psh. BeeTrain. CLAMP has no input into what they do, so no matter what they do, it's NOT. CANON.

Anyway, from BeeTrain, this is to be expected. I can't say I am shocked or anything, but I am annoyed :XD:

"You're my only... lesbian princess who sent me away to be really, really gay with Fai." *bricked*
Title: Re: Oh. My. God. *le scream*
Post by: Kjesta on August 18 2006, 04:58 am
*warps in the topic*

*waves KuroXTomo flag*

*warps out of topic*

Don't warp, you can stay of course XD It's not the KT thing that bothers me, it's how BeeTrain so exorbitantly declares things as 'facts' that definitely aren't. Though I don't want to hurt or offend any KT shippers, there's no proof (yet?) that Tomoyo is Kurogane's 'only' and it just makes me angry how careless and irresponsible BT treat such a wonderful series :angry:
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Post by: Emiko on August 18 2006, 05:00 am
Don't warp, you can stay of course XD It's not the KT thing that bothers me, it's how BeeTrain so exorbitantly declares things as 'facts' that definitely aren't. Though I don't want to hurt or offend any KT shippers, there's no proof (yet?) that Tomoyo is Kurogane's 'only' and it just makes me angry how careless and irresponsible BT treat such a wonderful series :angry:

Totally agreed, my sister! XD

It's not the KTness that bothers me either, it's that Bee Train is stating things that, as of yet, have not been made official. There's nothing to say that Tomoyo is Kurogane's 'only'. It's like a blatant disregard of the manga.
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Post by: Kuro-puppy on August 18 2006, 05:05 am
Totally agreed, my sister! XD

It's not the KTness that bothers me either, it's that Bee Train is stating things that, as of yet, have not been made official. There's nothing to say that Tomoyo is Kurogane's 'only'. It's like a blatant disregard of the manga.

a 'blatant disregard of the manga' eh? that would be like the um....100th time since 2nd season started XD
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Post by: Kjesta on August 18 2006, 05:07 am
Totally agreed, my sister! XD

It's not the KTness that bothers me either, it's that Bee Train is stating things that, as of yet, have not been made official. There's nothing to say that Tomoyo is Kurogane's 'only'. It's like a blatant disregard of the manga.

Amen, sister XD By the way, something that just occured to me - isn't it just plainly stupid Kurogane doesn't freak out at the sight of those bat symbols on the armoured guys in episode 26? Another major mistake that BT made. Argh.

a 'blatant disregard of the manga' eh? that would be like the um....100th time since 2nd season started XD

You know, I already gave up counting a long, long time ago XD
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Post by: augustserenade on August 18 2006, 05:07 am
It's not the KTness that bothers me either, it's that Bee Train is stating things that, as of yet, have not been made official. There's nothing to say that Tomoyo is Kurogane's 'only'. It's like a blatant disregard of the manga.

I agree with you, Emiko. It's not really the KT that bothers me, but more the disregard of the manga. Taking the official CLAMP manga into account, this article doesn't phase me in the least. I've never taken anything from the anime as canon or official really, so I'm not worrying. ^^
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Post by: Emiko on August 18 2006, 05:08 am
a 'blatant disregard of the manga' eh? that would be like the um....100th time since 2nd season started XD

XDD This is true.

I agree with you, Emiko. It's not really the KT that bothers me, but more the disregard of the manga. Taking the official CLAMP manga into account, this article doesn't phase me in the least. I've never taken anything from the anime as canon or official really, so I'm not worrying. ^^

Mmhmm, you can't really take the anime seriously. It's just fluff to me. Clamp's the one who writes the damn thing, so they get to decide what's canon. Not BeeTrain.

Though I really shouldn't be surprised XD
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Post by: nefadol on August 18 2006, 05:14 am
Amen, sister XD By the way, something that just occured to me - isn't it just plainly stupid Kurogane doesn't freak out at the sight of those bat symbols on the armoured guys in episode 26? Another major mistake that BT made. Argh.

You know, I already gave up counting a long, long time ago XD

I don't watch the anime at all, but he wouldn't have known about the symbol at that time.  He didn't learn about it until Syaoran saw his past and pointed it out to him (from what I understand, he didn't even do that in the anime).  Yup, major plot hole coming up if they animate Tokyo.  I'll watch it if they animate Tokyo, otherwise no thanks. -_-
Title: Re: Oh. My. God. *le scream*
Post by: Kjesta on August 18 2006, 05:16 am
He did know the symbol was on the sword that killed his mother, he's seen it stab her, so that would have been enough for him to freak, I think. He's not stupid and can count two and two together, the result being that those guys belonged to his mother's murderer.
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Post by: Rekall on August 18 2006, 05:18 am
Bee Train is in for a bit of surprise when they get to where the manga currently is...
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Post by: nefadol on August 18 2006, 05:20 am
He did know the symbol was on the sword that killed his mother, he's seen it stab her, so that would have been enough for him to freak, I think. He's not stupid and can count two and two together, the result being that those guys belonged to his mother's murderer.

You're right, I went back and checked.  But still, not mentioning it is a failure.
Title: Re: Oh. My. God. *le scream*
Post by: Kjesta on August 18 2006, 05:20 am
Yeah, I s'pose so. I really wonder what they'll do about all the eye-gouging, arm-ripping, leg-stabbing, blood-shedding... Shall I continue? XD
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Post by: nefadol on August 18 2006, 05:25 am
I don't see how they're going to get around the eye part, there's no way for him to remove the eye without a bloody mess or else the rest of the arc will be killed.  Removed "by magic" kills the whole reason for taking it in the first place.

...I don't think Bee Train read CLAMP's other works outside of CCS, did they? Or else they'd have known what they were getting into. >_<
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Post by: Bra-chan on August 18 2006, 05:42 am
Are You sure this is an original pic?  :dodge: Cause sometimes fans makes fake pics... like some months ago a Gundam Seed 'Fortune' pic... on the pic were Athrun and Meirin with children...  and it was fake of course! The pic was a fan-made pic originally where are Athrun and Cagalli with children!
The fake pic was really authentic, there was kanjis, logos etc... but it was fake!
I am not good with photoshop so I can't tell this is original or remake... but, it was really in the newtype? :cry:

Sorry if I am speaking about stupid things... but this article is just ridiculous...
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 18 2006, 05:59 am
Beetrain has signed his death,my "Mokona's kidnappers" guild is gonna kill them for making such offense  :angry:!
i'm losing my patience,each time they give us a little hint of Kurofainess,they immediately destroy our hope with some "normal coupling" totally absurd!

in episode 41 they were showing the group as a "family",and had ever kept the "mommy and daddy" allusion fom the manga
(http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3675/11fc9.th.jpg) (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11fc9.jpg)
so why are they diverted their road now  :dodge:?
Title: Re: Oh. My. God. *le scream*
Post by: suu_no_clover on August 18 2006, 07:05 am
Wow.... that's some serious butchering, on Bee Train's part. Anime!Kuro-tan's a het now? -___-; I'm officially declaring Anime!Kuro and Anime!Fai to be completely different entities from lovable Kuro and Fai. >>; You just don't go changing a character's sexual orientation like that.

I'm going to assume that the rest of the article explains that she's the only one he'd protect, as a brother figure. -_-; Yes. Yes, that's what the article is about. Anyone in the mood to translate it? >>;
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 18 2006, 07:13 am
CLAMP please,do something,you have to censure this image exactly like beetrain censure some of your scenes in the manga  :cry:!
it is a sacrilege to see such a betrayal  :angry:!
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Post by: Kirtai on August 18 2006, 08:08 am
Ahem.  Has anyone watched the Full Moon anime? Now that's blatant disrespect for the original subject matter.  So, I think it would be alot better for everyone's blood pressure if we all just consider the anime to be a totally different thing than the manga.  Continue to love the manga, and watch the anime to pick out bits good for use in music videos.  It is a shame that they couldn't animate it awesomely, but they didn't.  They suck.  However, if they want to make KuroxTomo canon in their world, they can, and all we can do is whine about it.  It doesn't change the fact that in the original authors vision, he is gayer than liberace. 
*also bricked*
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Post by: Elenath on August 18 2006, 08:47 am
Humph...... I don't know what hurts more,  my headache, or my stomach from laughing out loud at the cute-yet-stupid-attempt-to-make-two-gay-characters-hetero.
Probably my stomach...yeup, it's definately my stomach.

Poor BeeTrain, they're in for a little surprise when they read the manga.
I bet CLAMP will ban the anime from being 'official' after they get fed up with BT from srewing around with their beautiful characters. After all, they already made a huge misake by pairing Fai with Chii.. poor Hideki....:cry:

Maybe BT  never read Chobits?
Clearly they never did,a nd if they did, they're going against CLAMP's idea of "a special someone just for Chii" (Which is Hideki) and maybe they haven't realized that Tomoyo is CLEARLY a lesbian.

Come on! A girl who is infatuated with dressing up/stalking/undressing/filming/taking pictures of another girl is OBVIOUSLY not a clear sign of being gay.
When I once sat down with my mom and watched CCS, and Tomoyo began daydreaming of Sakura in all this sexually-kinky cute, girly outfits, my mom said: Is she lesbian?

YES! I mean if my MOM can see through a character when she NEVER watches that cartoon and realize there's something fishy going on with that girl... It shouldn't be hard for any of us CLAMP fans to take in.
Obviously, you can fantasize of a cute hetero coupling. It's cute. (Period)
Fine, I don't mind that.

It looks cute, but we know CLAMP had nothing to do with it, and the anime is straying from the manga in such high levels it should be illegal for them to publish. The manga is still the author's hand, imagination, brain and ink- I don't care what BT does naymore, for real.

But welll, it's alright KT fangirls, I'll give you a few days o gloat, whatever. it won't last long anyway.  :hehe:

So meanwhile- print out this page and post it where you can see it and confort you, because chapter 126 is comming up :D
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Post by: Airashii on August 18 2006, 09:06 am
I can't believe they published this article! It should have been Fai and Kurogane! I don't know if I'm angry or upset!  -_-
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Post by: Celestial on August 18 2006, 09:17 am
Regardless of the relationship, that is still a nice picture. I wont post my opinion for fear of retribution ^^
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Post by: ishiyaki on August 18 2006, 09:35 am
Don't worry, when anime arrive to chapter 125 in manga, they'llhave to publish a splash page about KuroFainess, they must do it cause 125's event will be a link between Kuro and Fai until the end.
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Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on August 18 2006, 09:43 am
Beetrain has signed his death,my "Mokona's kidnappers" guild is gonna kill them for making such offense  :angry:!
i'm losing my patience,each time they give us a little hint of Kurofainess,they immediately destroy our hope with some "normal coupling" totally absurd!

in episode 41 they were showing the group as a "family",and had ever kept the "mommy and daddy" allusion fom the manga
(http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/3675/11fc9.th.jpg) (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11fc9.jpg)
so why are they diverted their road now  :dodge:?
episode 41 was the best made ep for the kurofai ness. all the elements were in there, from the family moment, to kuro WATCHING fai, to fai trying to get kuro's attentuion when he whistled.

i saw the image, its terrible...i erad some nice kurofai-ness dialogue written by a friend of mine, Ryoko chan which broguht me bback up to kurofai-gidyness
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Post by: Jeannette on August 18 2006, 12:48 pm
Blech. >_< Silly silly BeeTrain. But seriously... how exactly are they going to show the KuroFai-ness in the recent chapitres?

At this point, I'm only bothering with the anime to see the few and far between good parts and the music. This is so much like the HOLiC anime pushing Zashiki Warashi/Watanuki and toning down Watanuki/Doumeki. T_T Blargh. Why do the anime for two of my favorite series have to be so mediocre at best?
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Post by: augustserenade on August 18 2006, 02:14 pm
At this point, I'm only bothering with the anime to see the few and far between good parts and the music. This is so much like the HOLiC anime pushing Zashiki Warashi/Watanuki and toning down Watanuki/Doumeki. T_T Blargh. Why do the anime for two of my favorite series have to be so mediocre at best?

Exactly, my lady!! >< They really are disregarding the manga of both the series. Maybe not as severe in HOLiC though... TRC seems, well... nevermind. O_o
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Post by: nefadol on August 18 2006, 02:21 pm
Difference between xxxHolic and Tsubasa, xxxHolic has a member of CLAMP on the staff overseeing the anime (even writing scripts).  Its animation may be a bit wonky at times and they cut out some references, but overall it's pretty spot on.  Tsubasa isn't so fortunate.  Perhaps it's because of Tsubasa that they're so hands on with xxxHolic?.
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Post by: mela on August 18 2006, 02:37 pm
Ugh, I had my friend Leona translate it for me since I was curious and she's Japanese and knows these things <3. Here's what she said (it's of the main paragraph):

The true strength Tomoyo-Hime showed to Kurogane in his childhood.

Wherever had that unapprochable Kurogane at the start go? He now has a "father" figure in the party (mostly because of Fai) but Kurogane's core characteristics haven't changed. He is still the independant man - the man who belives and trust his own strength.

So it is a question as to why Kurogane has such loyalty to Tomoyo-Hime. It is not like he was raised to have loyalty for her and even if he had been, it's unlikely that Kurogane would be loyal for just that reason.

Of all the things that Kurogane wants to have and puts great value on is "strength". To get the loyalty and respect from Kurogane, it is vital that one has more strength than the man himself. In other words, it is because Kurogane sees such "strength" in Tomoyo-Hime that he gives his loyalty to her.

When his parents died and went ouf of control from the sadness of the event, Tomoyo had risked her own life to stop Kurogane. She could have just beated him to stop acting outrageous but she didn't. She, instead, used words and feelings to calm Kurogane down. If she had been afraid of Kurogane, she might have used force to put him down. Because she had mental strength on top of physical power, she was able to be considerate of Kurogane.

That is why there are the loyalty and the respect. And Kurogane believes that Tomoyo-Hime will lead him to achieve the 'true strength'. It is not a master-and-commander relationship that ties the two together; it's trust.


What the !&%@ is BeeTrain thinking? Kurogane believes that Tomoyo will lead him to achieve true strength? Why wasn't I informed of this   :dodge: *sigh*
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Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on August 18 2006, 02:41 pm
Quote
And Kurogane believes that Tomoyo-Hime will lead him to achieve the 'true strength'. It is not a master-and-commander relationship that ties the two together; it's trust.
what.
the
F-?????

friggin beetrain ruining everything :angry: :angry5: :BangHead: :angry7:

EDIT:

*cough* *points to new icon and banners*  :heh:
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Post by: Kirtai on August 18 2006, 11:32 pm
Well, she is pointing him to his true strength in a way- she sent him to where Fai was!
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Post by: Cherry tiger on August 19 2006, 12:10 am
Ahem. Has anyone watched the Full Moon anime? Now that's blatant disrespect for the original subject matter. So, I think it would be alot better for everyone's blood pressure if we all just consider the anime to be a totally different thing than the manga. Continue to love the manga, and watch the anime to pick out bits good for use in music videos. It is a shame that they couldn't animate it awesomely, but they didn't. They suck. However, if they want to make KuroxTomo canon in their world, they can, and all we can do is whine about it. It doesn't change the fact that in the original authors vision, he is gayer than liberace.
*also bricked*

I thought the anime for Full Moon was pretty good. Sure, the way it ended was completely different and they didn't dwelve into the characters as much... but I found the characters in the anime more likeable than in the manga. In the manga, I felt very distant from the characters... except for Izumi. So I don't consider that as disrespect... it all depends on other people's opinions.

As for the KuroTomo thing... *waves the KuroTomo flag with Kuro Puppy* A-hem. That aside, this does NOT mean that we KuroTomo fans see it as more proof than KuroFye. Well, at least for me... because what's going on in the manga seems to lean more towards KuroFye. If the anime were to make it KuroTomo, well... that does NOT mean it's the end of KuroFye, isn't it? We still have the manga!

So... yeah... I just don't like the fact that you guys are seeing this as a bad thing... ^^;;; Cause even though I'm a KuroTomo fan, it'll take more than that article to prove that it's canon. And for me, I'm not interested in canon anymore. >_< Sorry.
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Post by: Kuro-puppy on August 19 2006, 12:35 am
^ she has a point there, this article doesn't mean that KuroXTomo is canon
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Post by: Xiao_Lang on August 19 2006, 12:44 am
It not only annoys me that they've tried to make Kuro hetro, But Tomoyo too.

If they have any respect for Tomoyo as a character, they will not have her end up with Kurogane. In my opinion, Tomoyo just wouldn't be suited to him! they don't seem to match at all! ¬__¬

I hope CLAMP don't actually do this... they will make alot of people very upset! Including the Sakura Tomoyo shippers. They may arise to begin war upon be train, with the Kuro&Fye fans ^^;

still, It could be this article means nothing. Often, english text can mean next to nothing in Japanese magazines, as they aren't even that certain what it means ^^; Or, Maybe Kuro does like Tomoyo now... but by the time it gets to chapter 125 etc, he has a change of heart?

I dunno... its confusing ^^; its like two whole different series... CLAMP's version, and Bee train's version...
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Post by: lynalar on August 19 2006, 01:01 am
There is actually a discussion going on in some of the xxxholic boards.  If someone from the clamp team has been overseeing Beetrain on that anime, I'm not sure what to think.  Not only has the anime completely messed up the time line but has played down Doumeki's role rather than ramping it up, per the manga.  Not to mention that the extremely long/thin bodies,  Yuuko's humongous chest, and that style has been getting more and more extreme as the anime has progressed. (imo) Huge chunks that really are important arcs in the manga are conspicuously absent in the anime.

   I have to wonder if BeeTrain is seriously homo-phobic.  Or if there is some outside pressure being exerted on Clamp and BeeTrain to keep the animes boy/girl couples? I could be wrong here, but often (atleast in the US) manga is more often for the serious anime fans, whereas the anime is more mainstream.  Card Captor Sakura was relatively easy to make into mainstream americana.  The references to Yukito and Touya were *mostly* subtle and the few direct things were cut out in the episodes aired here.  I only found out that Yukito and Touya were a true couple after watching fansubs many years after having watched the anime on tv.

  Ranma 1/2, while being a huge hit in Japan (and here, honestly) has not been aired on channels like cartoon network and the like.  I have no idea about the anime channel since I don't get that.  Tenchi has aired here, but it was seriously censored and little bikini's were drawn on during bathing scenes.  Miroko's letchery is mostly cut out of aired versions of Inuyasha.

  As anime has become more and more a part of american culture and viewing habits, I wonder how much pressure is being exerted on groups like Clamp to keep the animes american culture friendly...especially ones linked to already popular series here. (like Tsubasa is to Card Captor Sakura...and xxxHolic to Tsubasa)

  I'm not sure how it works...and maybe I'm way off the mark here.  Just kind of throwing that idea out there.  But more and more of the anime being produced in Japan is being snatched up and licensed in america...sometimes before more than a few episodes air in Japan.

  It may be a BeeTrain thing...or it may be a corporate pressure thing.  I have no idea., but it makes me wonder.
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 19 2006, 01:21 am
this article isn't telling that the relationship between kurogane and Tomoyo is love,but instead that Tomoyo is the bait to Kurogane's travel  :surprised:.
after all this is normal that they made an article about them,Tomoyo is an important figure of kurogane's past,who played a part to understand his personnality and his behaviour.

but when we think about it,Tomoyo has sent off Kurogane to learn what strenght is,so that means that she admitted that she had FAILED to show to Kurogane what love is about,and so that she was counting on another person to help him open his heart... and you know who is it of course :okay:
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Post by: Emiko on August 19 2006, 01:22 am
If they have any respect for Tomoyo as a character, they will not have her end up with Kurogane. In my opinion, Tomoyo just wouldn't be suited to him! they don't seem to match at all! ¬__¬


That's the main problem I have with KuroTomo, actually. That Kurogane is physically the exact opposite of Sakura, and personality-wise too. And also, wouldn't making Tomoyo fall in love with a man when, up to this point, she's been seen as a canon lesbian sort of be like saying "alright, well, you had your crush, now get serious and find yourself a MAN."

Though I guess Tomoyo could be bisexual, I just can't see her that way. I think Tomoyo's too cool for a man, she needs a woman! XD

And yeah, she sent Kurogane travelling because she herself couldn't change him. He needed the group for that. And when he leaves, doesn't she say something like "IF fate allows it, we'll meet again"? That "if" sort of makes me think that, since Tomoyo is a dreamseer, the fact that she acknowledges that she might not see him again sort of nixes any idea of them being canon. Because if they were destined to be together, there wouldn't be any doubt in Tomoyo's mind that fate would let them meet again.

Anyway, I don't mean to offend the KuroTomo shippers, everyone's entitled to like what they want, I just really have an intense dislike of the pairing myself.
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Post by: Xiao_Lang on August 19 2006, 01:36 am
That's the main problem I have with KuroTomo, actually. That Kurogane is physically the exact opposite of Sakura, and personality-wise too. And also, wouldn't making Tomoyo fall in love with a man when, up to this point, she's been seen as a canon lesbian sort of be like saying "alright, well, you had your crush, now get serious and find yourself a MAN."

Though I guess Tomoyo could be bisexual, I just can't see her that way. I think Tomoyo's too cool for a man, she needs a woman! XD

exactly what I think too. Why would Tomoyo be attracted to him? She fell in love with Sakura, for her cheerfulness, kindness and her cute traits (such as being completely oblivious to some things happening around her)
It seems very strange that her character would suddenly fall for a different character... let alone a man ^^;

She never seemed like a girl who needed a man in her life. She is far too strong and independant to need someone to protect her like Kurogane.. in my opinion.   is there an age difference too? not that thats ever been a problem for CLAMP ^^; lol

I really thought CLAMP put alot of thought into Tomoyo and Sakura's relationship in CCS, and it had alot of underlying meanings anout unconditional love. To do this to Tomoyo would almost go back upon those. What ever happened to 'If you're happy Iam happy?'
purhaps we fear that this will change Tomoyo's character too much?
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Post by: Zettai daijoubu on August 19 2006, 02:07 am
i knew this would come.. (i think i posted this pairing somewhere.. and got blasted!!!) well, since clamp intended it this way... don't be too sad KxF fans!!!

*waves SxS flag*
*puts on amour to protect self fr open fires fr KxF camp*
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Post by: Kjesta on August 19 2006, 02:20 am
i knew this would come.. (i think i posted this pairing somewhere.. and got blasted!!!) well, since clamp intended it this way... don't be too sad KxF fans!!!

*waves SxS flag*
*puts on amour to protect self fr open fires fr KxF camp*

*coughs discreetly* Maybe you should read the former posts and get aware of the fact that CLAMP has nothing to do with this. BeeTrain did it all on their own, without approval of our fantastic four. And we KF fans won't be sad at all because BT will have to eat their own words once they reach 126 ^.^~*

(By the way, just in case you could think so, I'm not angry or anything at you.)
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 19 2006, 02:31 am
i knew this would come.. (i think i posted this pairing somewhere.. and got blasted!!!) well, since clamp intended it this way... don't be too sad KxF fans!!!

*waves SxS flag*
*puts on amour to protect self fr open fires fr KxF camp*

there is nothing about love in this article,Tomoyo is just presented as a person related to Kurogane's past  :surprised:!
this article was just created accordind to episode 40,to explain us Kurogane's personnality,but then just after came episode 41 full of KuroFainess,so this is just a matter of time to obtain an article about the relationship between Kurogane and Fai,so don't think you have won  :okay:!

but now i really fear that Beetrain destroy us with an article concerning Fai and Chii...but i wonder what they would say about them since...there is nothing to say  :haha:!
(peharps they are gonna explain us how many times per days Fai fed his pet,or how he manages to clean her dust without rusty it  :keke:! )
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Post by: Cherry tiger on August 19 2006, 02:58 am
Am I the only one who thinks Tomoyo is capable of change? I don't know... ^^;;; But to me, I'd like to believe that Tomoyo is capable of loving someone other than Sakura. That's not to say that Tomoyo will love that other person and forget Sakura. Rather it's more towards the context of Tomoyo capable of loving someone and at the same time, loving Sakura. She knows Sakura belongs to Syaoran, but that does not stop her from loving Sakura... yet at the same time, she is capable of her own happiness.

Anyway, that's from a KuroTomo fan perspective.

Oh, and who said anything about winning? >_>
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Post by: Ando on August 19 2006, 03:49 am
Am I the only one who thinks Tomoyo is capable of change? I don't know... ^^;;; But to me, I'd like to believe that Tomoyo is capable of loving someone other than Sakura. That's not to say that Tomoyo will love that other person and forget Sakura. Rather it's more towards the context of Tomoyo capable of loving someone and at the same time, loving Sakura. She knows Sakura belongs to Syaoran, but that does not stop her from loving Sakura... yet at the same time, she is capable of her own happiness.

Of course it would be nice if Tomoyo could find happiness (even though I think it's unlikely to ever happen. I think Sakura will always be her number one), but - as so many have already pointed out - with a person like Kurogane? As Xiao_Lang above wrote, Kurogane is as far from cute, sweet, girly little Sakura as one possibly can come - why would Tomoyo be attracted to him? A big, grumpy, macho man whom she could never force to wear the frilly outfits she designs? If she absolutely has to be paired up with someone, a person like Yukito would be a far more realistic choice, don't you think? Personally, I wouldn't mind the TK pairing if it was anybody else than Tomoyo. As it is now, I feel it doesn't make any sense at all.
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Post by: mela on August 19 2006, 03:54 am
The only thing that annoys me is that BeeTrain continues to have a blatant disrespect for the manga. They can't say Kurogane thinks he will find true strength in Tomoyo because that hasn't been stated or shown anywhere at all, except maybe fanfiction or something :XD:

Sure there have been worse adaptations and whatnot, but this has got to be in my top 5, at least.

I am not even going to go into K/T because I don't feel that is what the point I am trying to make is. I couldn't care less if people like K/T, that's not what I am arguing about. I am just pissed off that BeeTrain is trying to make up their own canon, pretty much. The Tsubasa anime and Tsubasa manga have pretty much become two completely separate entities this second season.
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Post by: Xiao_Lang on August 19 2006, 04:29 am
The only thing that annoys me is that BeeTrain continues to have a blatant disrespect for the manga. They can't say Kurogane thinks he will find true strength in Tomoyo because that hasn't been stated or shown anywhere at all, except maybe fanfiction or something :XD:

Sure there have been worse adaptations and whatnot, but this has got to be in my top 5, at least.

I am not even going to go into K/T because I don't feel that is what the point I am trying to make is. I couldn't care less if people like K/T, that's not what I am arguing about. I am just pissed off that BeeTrain is trying to make up their own canon, pretty much. The Tsubasa anime and Tsubasa manga have pretty much become two completely separate entities this second season.

Bee train should be sticking to the manga. Its alot easier for them if they just follow the manga.
Its such a shame. CLAMP should keep tighter restrictions on them ^^; purhaps its time CLAMP began whipping Bee train into shape?
Poor Tsubasa... I feel as if any more butchering will send it to the same fate as *shudders* Cardcaptors...
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Post by: suzine on August 19 2006, 04:38 am
Poor Tsubasa... I feel as if any more butchering will send it to the same fate at CCS...
What do you mean? The CCS anime was pretty good, all things considered. Or do you mean that atrocity known as Cardcaptors (all connections between CLAMP and that lobotomized show are totaly coincidental)?
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Post by: Xiao_Lang on August 19 2006, 04:42 am
What do you mean? The CCS anime was pretty good, all things considered. Or do you mean that atrocity known as Cardcaptors (all connections between CLAMP and that lobotomized show are totaly coincidental)?

Oh yes, sorry, my mistake... I meant Cardcaptors ^^;  *edits*
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Post by: Kirtai on August 19 2006, 05:01 am
For the person making comparisons to Holic- a different studio is doing Holic.  It isn't Beetrain. 
Didn't I read somewhere that CLAMP had to let (whatever channel is airing it) do TRC, because they held the rights to the characters from CCS as far as animation goes?  That always seemed to me to be the problem with the series- that the TV station wanted CCS 2 instead of a totally different show. 
Oh, and CherryTiger?  I didn't mean for it to sound like I thought FullMoon was a bad show, it is one of my favorites.  But still, it's in an entirely different universe from the manga
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seems how in the manga, Mitsuki knew eichi was dead all along, it makes her character COMPLETELY different
, and by "disrespect"  I meant they didn't respect it, aka didn't follow it.  Different meaning of disrespect. 
    As to the KuroxTomo thing, I see nothing too offensive in the article, and if turns out that beetrain makes them a couple in the end, it'll be sad for us who would like to see it represented the way it was in the manga, but that hasn't been happening for quite sometime, so I'm used to it.  At least the KuroxTomo fans will get to see something they wouldn't otherwise.  Heck, I'd give a finger if they had animated  Fruits Basket so that
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Yuki and Tohru get together.
, even if it screws the canon.
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Post by: Emiko on August 19 2006, 06:15 am
i knew this would come.. (i think i posted this pairing somewhere.. and got blasted!!!) well, since clamp intended it this way... don't be too sad KxF fans!!!

*waves SxS flag*
*puts on amour to protect self fr open fires fr KxF camp*

...Nobody's going to "blast" you for having your own opinion. If you like KxT, that's fine, I don't care what you like.

Though for the record, I wish people would stop typifying the KF fans. Not just zettai up there, but many non-KF people. I'm so sick of expressing my love for the pairing and being met with comments about how we're crazy and fanatic and will shoot down anything that opposes us. Sure, some fans might be like that, but there are fans like that in EVERY FANDOM, for EVERY PAIRING. It makes me tentative to post ANYTHING in areas where the population doesn't include mostly KF fans. I always try to be polite in regards to other pairings, so I don't appreciate when people insist on treating us like we're rabid dogs who will attack at the first sign of a threat. (And sure, KF isn't the only pairing whose fanbase has been stereotyped, but it's the one I've been exposed to the most since I AM a KF fangirl.)

Maybe some people have had different experiences, but the KF fanbase is one of the nicest group of people I've ever been involved with pairing-wise.

And I don't see how KxF threatens SxS at all.
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Post by: mela on August 19 2006, 06:26 am
i knew this would come.. (i think i posted this pairing somewhere.. and got blasted!!!) well, since clamp intended it this way... don't be too sad KxF fans!!!

*waves SxS flag*
*puts on amour to protect self fr open fires fr KxF camp*

CLAMP intended it what way? Surely you aren't sayting that this article that was not published, written, or illustrated by CLAMP in any way is what CLAMP intended. BeeTrain doesn't have any CLAMP members working on the production/promotion team, so this has nothing to do with CLAMP aside from the fact that it is about characters they created.

And how do you expect not to have people bring up counter arguments? If you say something that people disagree with, they're not going to stay quiet to please you.

ANYWAY. No one is talking about SxS. They are completely irrelevant to this conversation, so I don't know why you even brought them up.
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Post by: lynalar on August 19 2006, 06:50 am
For the person making comparisons to Holic- a different studio is doing Holic. It isn't Beetrain.

  You are correct, I'm sorry. Production IG is doing xxxHolic. I think.

  I still think, however, that there *may* be some pressure on the companies producing the anime to make boy/girl couples.  Especially some of the ones they know will be popular in the United states and mainstream channels like Cartoon Network would pay big bucks to air these shows.

  The Japanese don't have some of the same moral qualms that many in the states have. Therefore a lot of the anime have concepts and relationships that are, if not foreign, would be frowned on here.

  I'm not saying that is the situation, but as big as anime is now in the states...it has become a big business.  Somewhere along the way, there are probably going to be pressures made on the producers to create animes that cater to the american public...or are at the very least easy to edit to make it "politically correct".

  *gag*

  Then again, if I were inclined to be politically correct I wouldn't be a fan girl nor would I be cheering faixkuro or DouXWata.
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Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on August 19 2006, 08:21 am
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The only thing that annoys me is that BeeTrain continues to have a blatant disrespect for the manga. They can't say Kurogane thinks he will find true strength in Tomoyo because that hasn't been stated or shown anywhere at all, except maybe fanfiction or something XD

treu. even if the artcial isnt canoning the KT pairing, it sure is SHIPPING it, and when an artical in a magazine ships a non-canon pairing, it creates new shippers out of nothing. :shifty:
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 19 2006, 12:03 pm
it is just a way to give one more argument for the KuroTomoyo Fans...we were already having a hard time proving that KuroFai was cannon,and this fabulation is only going to supply falses rumors  :dodge:!

but i don't think that we should take in count this article which says nothing considerable  :wink:!
moreover,this image is really noting compared to the five chapters of KuroFainess thhat we have got until then  :okay:
and don't forget that between the manga and the anime,this is CLAMP's work that prevail  :noteworthy:!
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Post by: Cherry tiger on August 19 2006, 12:13 pm
...Nobody's going to "blast" you for having your own opinion. If you like KxT, that's fine, I don't care what you like.

Though for the record, I wish people would stop typifying the KF fans. Not just zettai up there, but many non-KF people. I'm so sick of expressing my love for the pairing and being met with comments about how we're crazy and fanatic and will shoot down anything that opposes us. Sure, some fans might be like that, but there are fans like that in EVERY FANDOM, for EVERY PAIRING. It makes me tentative to post ANYTHING in areas where the population doesn't include mostly KF fans. I always try to be polite in regards to other pairings, so I don't appreciate when people insist on treating us like we're rabid dogs who will attack at the first sign of a threat. (And sure, KF isn't the only pairing whose fanbase has been stereotyped, but it's the one I've been exposed to the most since I AM a KF fangirl.)

Maybe some people have had different experiences, but the KF fanbase is one of the nicest group of people I've ever been involved with pairing-wise.

And I don't see how KxF threatens SxS at all.

Actually, it's the same for me for KuroTomo. I felt like if I were to even mention them, I'd be blasted by the KuroFye fans. No offence, but you guys can be pretty "passionate" when it comes to defending your pairing even though I did not mean to say KuroFye is impossible. That's why I never bothered to try. >___< Seriously, no offence.

Of course it would be nice if Tomoyo could find happiness (even though I think it's unlikely to ever happen. I think Sakura will always be her number one), but - as so many have already pointed out - with a person like Kurogane? As Xiao_Lang above wrote, Kurogane is as far from cute, sweet, girly little Sakura as one possibly can come - why would Tomoyo be attracted to him? A big, grumpy, macho man whom she could never force to wear the frilly outfits she designs? If she absolutely has to be paired up with someone, a person like Yukito would be a far more realistic choice, don't you think? Personally, I wouldn't mind the TK pairing if it was anybody else than Tomoyo. As it is now, I feel it doesn't make any sense at all.

I understand perfectly well and I don't mind if you don't see it as possible. I guess my perspective on this relationship is different. I don't see him as a grumpy ninja... I see him as someone capable of understanding the true meaning of strength and (sorry if I insert my KuroTomo thoughts here) love. And why are you comparing Kurogane to Sakura? In my opinion, if Tomoyo were to fall in love with someone else... it doesn't necessarily have to be someone with some qualities as Sakura. I don't think Tomoyo would want someone to replace Sakura... I don't think she'd want anyone else that's similar to Sakura. Cause Sakura is irreplacable.

Anyway, that's my opinion. Please don't take offence.

it is just a way to give one more argument for the KuroTomoyo Fans...we were already having a hard time proving that KuroFai was cannon,and this fabulation is only going to supply falses rumors :dodge:!

but i don't think that we should take in count this article which says nothing considerable :wink:!
moreover,this image is really noting compared to the five chapters of KuroFainess thhat we have got until then :okay:
and don't forget that between the manga and the anime,this is CLAMP's work that prevail :noteworthy:!

Look, most of us KuroTomo fans are not looking for canon. We find KuroFye more canon... we just have our own preferences, like KuroTomo. And... yeah.... if you have 5 chapters of KuroFye canon to make you happy, what's an article to worry about?

Though I don't blame you if the KuroTomo fans make a big deal out of this, and I don't mind if you shove the 5 chapters of KuroFye in that person's face... but I guess I'm trying to show that not all KuroTomo feels that way.
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Post by: Jeannette on August 19 2006, 12:21 pm
Well, honestly, Cherry_tiger, I think I understand how you must feel. Yet I hope you understand that, for most of us, we get worked up about KuroTomo because we find the very idea of the relationship... honestly, absolutely ridiculous. Don't take offense to this, but that's how we see it. We don't really understand how anybody could find Kurogane and Tomoyo an attractive couple, or even a possible couple. It just doesn't make any sense to us. *shrug*
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Post by: Emiko on August 19 2006, 12:22 pm
Actually, it's the same for me for KuroTomo. I felt like if I were to even mention them, I'd be blasted by the KuroFye fans. No offence, but you guys can be pretty "passionate" when it comes to defending your pairing even though I did not mean to say KuroFye is impossible. That's why I never bothered to try. >___< Seriously, no offence.

Mmhmm, I can understand that. I think we all sort of get pidgeon-holed into groups. Everyone's so passionate about their pairings that sometimes debate gets turned into insult and people perceive different things different ways. I, personally, wouldn't "blast" you for mentioning KuroTomo, but if someone proposed an argument for the pair, I might post my own counter-argument just because I think debate is good and healthy for a forum. However, people on both sides can end up moving past debate and into all-out-war.
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Post by: Cherry tiger on August 19 2006, 12:34 pm
Well, honestly, Cherry_tiger, I think I understand how you must feel. Yet I hope you understand that, for most of us, we get worked up about KuroTomo because we find the very idea of the relationship... honestly, absolutely ridiculous. Don't take offense to this, but that's how we see it. We don't really understand how anybody could find Kurogane and Tomoyo an attractive couple, or even a possible couple. It just doesn't make any sense to us. *shrug*

I understand, really... I guess all I'm asking for is a bit of respect for the KuroTomo fans. We're not asking you to change your opinion about the pairing... we're only saying don't think the people who like KuroTomo are crazy or something along the lines of "I don't understand why people like KuroTomo". ^^;;; I'm sorry, I guess I've just gotten really sensitive lately about this.

I'm trying to get the KuroTomo fans to be respectful as well in another forum to the KuroFye's. Cause in truth, I think it's a free fandom and we're allowed to like whomever we like and that people should not insult the other coupling. Questioning or doubting is allowed... but not insult. -__-

Mmhmm, I can understand that. I think we all sort of get pidgeon-holed into groups. Everyone's so passionate about their pairings that sometimes debate gets turned into insult and people perceive different things different ways. I, personally, wouldn't "blast" you for mentioning KuroTomo, but if someone proposed an argument for the pair, I might post my own counter-argument just because I think debate is good and healthy for a forum. However, people on both sides can end up moving past debate and into all-out-war.

Thank you, and I know when it comes to forums it gets hard to keep people controlled. >_< So I don't mind at all... I just want to make sure we KuroTomo fans get a little respect that's all. I put up all my reasons why I think KuroTomo is ok, and that's just my way of defending the pairing since it doesn't seem like anyone else is doing it, and I'm gald you guys took it well.
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Post by: Kirtai on August 19 2006, 01:09 pm
Was anyone around when Tenchi Muyo was on TV a few years back?  Ayeka vs. Ryoko fights - now that was nasty.  My sister was even on a different side than me!  Anyhow, I wouldn't get offended if someone said, "I don't get why you like that pairing."  I like to share, and this would be an opportunity to expound on KuroFai love.  So, umm, we should embrace our differences!  I don't think we need to change each other's minds, esp. when some people are saying, "Look, I think your couple is canon.  I just think my couple is cuter." For instance,  I am totally into TomoxEriol for CCS, but I know it didn't happen.  I know he went for Kaho.  I still think that is wierd, and I still think TomoxEriol is cute.  I also turn off City of Angels 10 minutes before the end.  It ends happily.  IT DOES.

So, (it's late at night in my world so I'm rambling), but what  I'm trying to say is that we KuroxFai fans shouldn't get so uptight about folks wanting to see the boys with other people.  On the other hand, KuroxFai fans should be allowed to rationally explain why we believe CLAMP intends them to be a pair without getting accused of flaming people.  Seems fair, don't it?
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Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on August 19 2006, 01:33 pm
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Anyhow, I wouldn't get offended if someone said, "I don't get why you like that pairing."  I like to share, and this would be an opportunity to expound on KuroFai love.  So, umm, we should embrace our differences!  I don't think we need to change each other's minds, esp. when some people are saying, "Look, I think your couple is canon.  I just think my couple is cuter." For instance,  I am totally into TomoxEriol for CCS, but I know it didn't happen.  I know he went for Kaho.  I still think that is wierd, and I still think TomoxEriol is cute.
i too paired tomoyo with eriol :sweatdrop: i didnt want her to be alone in any of my stories :lol: and your right, it IS fun to explain the rational between kuro-fai pair ^_^

its not really WHAT your opinion is, its how you EXPRESS it.
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Post by: Jeannette on August 19 2006, 01:59 pm
I also turn off City of Angels 10 minutes before the end.  It ends happily.  IT DOES.
xd I do too. ^^;

Of course it's a free fandom, and it's hardly a problem for people who say things like, "I think your couple is canon, but mine is cuter." That's fine. And I agree also that I wouldn't get offended if somebody says, "I just don't get why you like that pairing" or something similar. Honestly, it's not any different than when say, I get a crush on someone, and one or more of my friends don't understand what I see in that person. Different strokes for different folks, people. Cappella, for example, doesn't really care for KuroFai, but she and I get along very well.

And honestly, I rarely get offended when someone says, 'I HATE that pairing.' The only time I do get offended by it is if it's obvious they are doing it because they are homophobic.
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Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on August 19 2006, 02:11 pm
only one time i really got pissed that someone was aniti-kurofai: When he went and posted in big bold letters that clamp said that Kuro-fai was in the fan's heads. thats a direct insult. only then do i get really pissey and shove mountains of evidence down their throats :shifty:
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Post by: MJ Walker on August 20 2006, 05:20 am
*Prints the paper*

*Stomps on it and trys to destroys' it*

*And burns the remains*

*And screams "KuroxFye forever!!!!"
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Post by: Meowzy on August 20 2006, 07:06 am
*didn't notice this topic until just now*
... What... What is that? 'Love message'?
...
BEETRAIN, prepare to DIE!
*cracks knuckles*
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 20 2006, 07:23 am
*didn't notice this topic until just now*
... What... What is that? 'Love message'?
...
BEETRAIN, prepare to DIE!
*cracks knuckles*

don't worry,this image is just a "deceitful hope" for all the KuroTomoyo fans  :wink:!
this article is aiming at bringing the character of Kurogane to the fore :surprised :

Tomoyo isn't presented as his lovers,but rather as a sister,like if she was the only family remaining of Kurogane!
yes,because due to the fact that Kurogane has lost his parents when he was still young,he certainly needed to rebuild a family bond in some way,and Tomoyo was taking care of him like a little sister would have done for his big brother  :keke:!
and moreover the fraternity link hasn't yet being exploited in Tsubasa,so the relationship that tied Kurogane and Tomoyo is more definitely based on brotherhood and no love  :okay:!
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Post by: Meowzy on August 20 2006, 08:01 am
Is that how Beetrain feels too? I doubt it... The way they show that poster thing off... That's not really brother/sister-y
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 20 2006, 09:32 am
Is that how Beetrain feels too? I doubt it... The way they show that poster thing off... That's not really brother/sister-y

in the picture they seem to be laughing and playing like innoccent children,it's not like if they were in each other arms  :wink:!
and i think that Kurogane is making the complex of "the big brother protecting his sister against bad guy"  :keke:!
i mean by that,that when he was still in nihon's world he was killing every fellows that were approaching Tomoyo's castle,like if he didn't want any man to mess with her  :cry:!
but he didn't try to look seductive in his method of uing his sword,he was just killing everybody in the most bloody way,so i suppose that his aim was not to attract Tomoyo like a gentleman,but only save her like a brother would do  :okay:!
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Post by: Capella on August 20 2006, 09:18 pm
My response to this article: "Well, Bee-train is at it again." I wouldn't put it past Bee-train to actually make KuroTomo canon in the anime - it wouldn't be the first time an anime had different pairings from its source material. The article itself doesn't really seem too shippy except in that it draws attention to the bond between the two. But saying they have "trust" doesn't mean they're "in love". I would disagree with them about Kurogane learning true strength from Tomoyo, since Tomoyo obviously sent him away from her for that purpose. But I don't hate the pairing, and Cherry_tiger rationalizes it well.

In any case, please, let's not flame the KuroTomo fans. Everyone is entitled to like whatever pairing they want - I admit to being unpleasant about Fai/Chii fans, and I apologize to all sensible fans of that pairing (whom I think must exist somewhere, even though I've never had the opportunity to speak to one). I will argue forever against that pairing being canon, but that doesn't mean people can't think it's cute (though I would probably ask them why). It's just lousy when people generalize about a group of shippers one belongs to.
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Post by: dark_persian on August 21 2006, 07:56 am
ARG!!!!!!! *tears hair out in frustration* I swear, I am seriously THIS close to buying myself a flight to Japan so I can personally snipe off every last one of those imbeciles myself!!

As many of you have said, it’s not so much the Kurogane x Tomoyo-ness of it that bothers me, it's the blatant disregard for CLAMP canon that just turns my stomach! These people have some serious self-importance issues! Trying to make Kurogane and Tomoyo a canon couple when CLAMP has not declared them as such?! Just who do they think they are? Do they seriously believe that they have the right to try and write Tsubasa themselves?! It’s the awful FaixChii episode all over again!

Now I’m glad to hear that the translation isn’t really all that shippy but, despite what a lot of people have said about it seeming a very brotherly-sisterly article, to me, it seems clear that that was NOT the theme that BeeTrain was aiming for.
Whenever BeeTrain do something like this I have to take a deep breath, count to 10 and remind myself that whatever disturbingly plot-impacting article or episode the write, it's nothing more than a glorified fanfic if it's not CLAMP canon. CLAMP created this story and these characters and only CLAMP have the right to announce such things.

What makes me laugh is the fact that BeeTrain are constantly boxing themselves into a tighter and tighter corner!

What if, for example, CLAMP reveals in the manga that Kurogane's protectiveness over Tomoyo is because she reminds him  so much of his mother. What will BeeTrain do then? "Whoops, sorry. Our bad. We announced that Kurogane's 'one and only' was someone that reminds him of his mother." How Freudian! And what if Kurogane and Fai become canon in the manga? Doesn’t ‘only one’ mean only one?
Urg. If I were CLAMP I would be having serious words with this reckless and egotistic animation studio. …But, I suppose, once they’ve signed a contract there isn’t much even CLAMP can do…
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 21 2006, 08:09 am
yeah,maybe that the contrat signed between CLAMP and Beetrain was stipulating that the productors of the anime were allowed to use fully their characters in "advertizing campains" in order to urge people on buying merchandises,and this kind of article always attracts a huge amount of fans  :dodge:!

so it means that Beetrain can manipulate the relationship between the characters so as to make money  -_-
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Post by: Tenkuuken on August 21 2006, 08:22 am
I don't mind seeing KuroTomo, since they are a nice couple and all, but if they're making people loath KuroFai, that's another story.
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Post by: Ando on August 22 2006, 06:47 am
I guess my perspective on this relationship is different. I don't see him as a grumpy ninja... I see him as someone capable of understanding the true meaning of strength and (sorry if I insert my KuroTomo thoughts here) love.

Well, even a grumpy ninja ( he is grumpy, after all, and he is a ninja :)) can be capable of love. I think he loves Tomoyo very dearly, and she loves him back.

And why are you comparing Kurogane to Sakura? In my opinion, if Tomoyo were to fall in love with someone else... it doesn't necessarily have to be someone with some qualities as Sakura. I don't think Tomoyo would want someone to replace Sakura... I don't think she'd want anyone else that's similar to Sakura. Cause Sakura is irreplacable.

No, if Tomoyo did fall for someone else, I don't think she'd ever want to replace Sakura, that's not what I was going for in comparing her with our dear ninja. What I was talking about was how a person who is attracted to brown hair generally finds blondes less appealing, so if Tomoyo is all for the cute and fluffy (not just physically, of course), she wouldn't find much of that in Kurogane.

Ah, just thought I'd reply to your post. I do realise how silly it is to argue about why a person can't possibly fall in love with another person.

As for fans of one pairing bullying other shippings' fans... sometimes we all might have to take a deep breath and remind ourselves that they're all just paper and ink. ...Just kidding - of course they're not! :tongue3:
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 22 2006, 07:15 am
in my opinion Tomoyo doesn't feel love for Kurogane,because if she does she would have accepted him LIKE HE WAS,with his rage an merciless behaviour  :tongue:!

she wouldn't have sent him in another dimension to learn what strengh is,because loving someone means that you don't care about his defaults since you can see his qualities through his heart  :keke:!

Tomoyo kicked out Kurogane like if he was a mere dangerous psycopathe  :sweatdrop:
(and after all if she managed to get rid of Kurogane by herself,it means that she was enough strong to protect herself,so she didn't need him anymore  :okay:)
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Post by: Airashii on August 22 2006, 08:03 am
Tomoyo does care for Kurogane, just not in that lovey-dovey way.
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Post by: Tatasenko on August 23 2006, 06:10 am
Tomoyo does care for Kurogane, just not in that lovey-dovey way.

i think that one of the reason why Tomoyo has send kurogane away is that she wanted him to LIVE HIS LIFE,without being forced anymore to stay at her service for the rest of his life  :keke:!
after all,Kurogane isn't the type of guy who like being chained to a person,so maybe that Tomoyo sensed that the reason why he was so merciless and obsessed by fight was because he needed to exteriorize his burning soul in some manners  :surprised:!
the only way to help him to find the true meaning of his life was to make him meet others persons urged on by differents aims  :wink:!
and what proves that Kurogane has succeeded in changing is that he didn't hesitate to be linked with Fai for eternity in order to save him  :okay:!
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Post by: Hokuto on August 26 2006, 12:33 pm
I think Kuro Tomo is okay as friends. She's only consoling him at his parents' death.
Or... um... it wasn't at that time. D: Boo
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Post by: tsuki on October 06 2006, 04:51 pm
Aww!!Tomoyo holds Kuro's hand!!Its okay if they are friends..........."TOMODACHI" thats the word
And whats the "love massage for..."???   
A ninja like Kurogane is hard to find his love........    :dodge: