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Title: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: moezychan on July 25 2006, 12:07 pm: Ok, since I made this thread for the discussion on TRC. Which do you think is better, and why? I don't just want a comment like, "The manga is better!" and then leave. Please back up your reasons. Also, I'm hoping this will turn into a discussion thread, not merely a popularity thread. Please argue your opinions and back them up.

I'll start. I honestly prefer the manga over the anime because of the depth it goes into for the characters and sticks to the original plot. Meanwhile, the anime is full of filler episodes that completely stream away from the main plot and have nothing to do with the series. At moments it's a shoujo anime, such as Fai's date with Chii. And other moments it's more focused on one character instead of the real reason why they're traveling together.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Konata Izumi on July 25 2006, 12:20 pm: I'd go with the manga, mainly because of the originality as well as there are very little or even no alterations to the original plot, unlike the anime wherein like moezy said, goes away from the main plot and instead focuses on minor details...
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Emiko on July 25 2006, 12:22 pm: Well, for me, I *much* prefer the manga.

For one, Clamp's art is so much more beautiful than the anime, which is quite often hit-or-miss in terms of quality. The elongated limbs style just doesn't translate too well into animation, and oftentimes the animation in Tsubasa Chronicles is rather lacklustre and static. The motion in all of the characters seems rigid and awkward. A lot of times the fight scenes in the manga flow better and are more exciting than the actual fight scenes in the anime.

Also, the characters are somewhat lifeless in the anime. There's not really any depth to Kuro or Fai, as the focus has been shifted from them except in times of comic relief, which is only one facet of their characters. Also, any blood or violence or alcohol has been clipped out, which almost trivializes the show and makes it seem rather kiddy-ish. Even if it IS aimed at kids, it doesn't appeal to me.

The pacing is also off in the anime. Bee Train likes to squeeze all the stories into as few episodes as possible, and race through the material. We aren't really given any time to really know the characters or experience their relationships because everything is compressed.

That being said, the anime does have some good points. The music is gorgeous and the VAs are all really good. Outo I think was handled well, and when the animation is good it can be lovely, especially when they experiment with colour. Bee Train CAN get it right, but it almost seems like they aren't trying very hard. The current epidemic of fillers could have been handled better as well. Instead of fluff fillers, why not have an episode that serves to deepen a character or relationship?

Anyway. I much prefer the manga. I think that if the anime took time to flesh things out, I wouldn't even really mind the animation. That being said, the Tsubasa anime comes off as very surface-y to me. There's not really anything underneath, as opposed to the manga, which is very detailed and has substance (enough for it's subject matter, anyway XD).
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Rekall on July 25 2006, 02:18 pm: The manga is way better even though it was the anime that first turned me onto TRC.

I didn't mind the first season of the anime, I thought it was really well done. But the second season...I find to be very frustrating.

It's not the fact there's more filler eps for the 2nd season but moreso the type of filler eps they're doing. I really don't think they should be messing around with the character's relationship with each other. Take the Fye/Chii ep for example. CLAMP has already basically told us that Chii really doesn't mean that much to Fye (ie, he created her, treats her as a pet and turned her into an alarm system) but then Bee Train comes along and tries to make Chii and Fye into a relationship which really got on my nervs. I mean if Chii is a creation than she shouldn't have a soul that can exist in another world. The fact that Bee Train turned Chii into a human really bugged me since she's never been one before and I really do think the reason why CLAMP picked her for the alarm system role was because she was never human in the first place.

Another thing that is bugging me about the 2nd season is that Bee Train seems to be rushing through the canon worlds. Like for the 1st season the canon worlds got a fair bit of time, going multiple episodes and in 26 eps they really only visited 4 main worlds. But in the 2nd season it really seems as if they're rushing it; for example canonly the characters spend a long time in Piffle but in the anime it's only a few eps. Likewise for the world with Ashura and Yasha, it only got a few eps. Unless Bee Train plans on pulling a FMA and have the anime take a completely different route from the manga then I would think they would *want* to spend more time in the canon worlds, drawing them out as long as possible so that they could let CLAMP get further ahead in the manga (which is what they were doing for season 1) but they don't seem to be doing that for season 2.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Zettai daijoubu on July 25 2006, 08:00 pm: maybe because i started with the manga first that's why when i watched the anime nothing seems exciting anymore since i know what is going to happen. (The filler episodes though interesting, did not really help)

and yea, i have to agree that the characters in the manga is much much much more developed. Season 1 is really ok but season 2 seems to have too much filler episodes. Though the only filler episode i like so far is the Mokona Doodler one. The anime should focus more on the development on character and that's why i hoped they would have more episodes on Kurogane's past.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Becster on July 26 2006, 12:47 am: Manga. Without a doubt.

Which is a major shame, because the anime has the potential to be amazing. But, like Emiko said, they're just skimming the surface of the storyline. The VAs and music are amazing - Daisuke Namikawa is exactly how I imagined Fai to sound, and it sounds to me like they put a lot of effort into the voices. But the artwork seems sloppy and awkward - as has been mentioned, the style doesn't translate very well into moving form from the original manga.

Another thing is also the fillers and relationships. The only fillers I found worth watching were episode 16 (which just made me laugh like a drain...'Hyu~!' 'GET BACK HERE!!!') and the Mokona doodle episode because...well...Bee Train were obviously smoking something very good for that episode.

But what annoys me the most is how Bee Train have completely disregarded Kurogane and Fai's relationship. I know I am a KuroFai fangirl, but I can see it from a non-bias POV, and even if I didn't like that pairing I'd still be drawn to their unique relationship, and character qualities. The anime has made them into pure comic relief, which they were in the manga, but there weren't only the comic relief. The focus in the anime is almost completely on Syaoran and Sakura who, don't get me wrong I do love them, are so boring compared to Kurogane and Fai. Even their relationship seems monotonous compared to Kurogane and Fai's. But Bee Train have taken away their relationship - be it seen in a romantic sense, or purely friendship (...*does prefer the former* XD) - in order to focus on Syaoran and Sakura's 'cutesy' relationship.

Tsubasa isn't really a kids manga. So why are they turning it into a kids anime? I mean, one of the funniest scenes in all of Tsubasa in my opinion is when Syaoran, Sakura, Mokona and Fai all get drunk in Outo. And that got taken out of the anime. I will confess though, the first season wasn't so bad. I quite enjoyed it. But the second season is so rushed, like Bee Train feel they should be catching up with Clamp...or maybe that 'if they rush it they can put in more fillers.

Which brings me on to my final point. I hate the fact they did a FaiXChi episode. I say this so many times it should be my catchphrase: Does nobody remember Hideki?! Hideki, not Fai, is and will always be Chi's canon pairing. And, as Rekall said, Chi is a constructed life form. That's probably why she hasn't been seen in other worlds yet. She was a constructed life form in Chobits, and in Tsubasa. So going and making her human is...well...raping the canon. Badly. I wish Bee Train would stop assuming and pushing for other relationships, ignoring the fact that Chi hasn't shown up since the beginning of Tsubasa and Tomoyo seemed far more taken with Sakura in Piffle.

...Sorry if that's pretty long. But you may've guessed I'm not an anime fan by now. Ohoho...
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Ashlee on July 26 2006, 01:05 am: Manga, do I even have to say why
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Emiko on July 26 2006, 01:12 am: Quote from: Ashlee on July 26 2006, 01:05 am
Manga, do I even have to say why

Yes, I think the anime's taken quite a lot of abuse XD
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: amyanimefan on July 26 2006, 02:14 am: the manga of courseeeeeee, cos of a lots of things , the charater's drawing , the funny scences are much better , the ACTION BLOODÂ scences and many other things.
the anime is okay but the best thing in it is the backgriund music , i have noticed that they avoid in anime any bloody scenes ( didn't watch kurogan's past yet) and the characters stare at each other a very long time :sad5:
that is my opinion
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Cherry tiger on July 26 2006, 02:29 am: Manga, of course. For me, the fillers of the anime never bothered me much (I mean, CCS and xxxHolic have them) but for some reason, Tsubasa's fillers are the worst and they stick out so badly that you just KNOW this world isn't part of the story and meant to be taken seriously. At least in CCS and xxxHolic, it tends to give more depth to the story and characters. These ones are just plain for fun and you can tell.

The drawings... I think a lot of people will agree about how bad the animation is. I remember thinking Syaoran's ears were too big, and there were too many stills with only the eyes and mouth moving that it bugged me.

No doubt Bee Train did well in certain arcs like Outo especially, but compare that to other worlds where it seems rushed and overly done, that's what bothers me.

And though I love Sakura and Syaoran to bits, their over emphasis on their relationship bothers me. I don't mind fluff, but this is just too much fluff. I like this relationship because I know there's more to it than that.

And I agree with Becster... Fye and Kurogane's relationship just seems like humour there. No doubt, I'm not a big fan of the pairing, but just like S+S, I want there to be more depth.

Bleh... I think that's enough bashing for me.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Moon on July 26 2006, 06:49 am: I've always been someone that likes both of anime/manga and I can't say that I like one over the other. Unless it's a manga that doesn't have the anime counter-part (such as Kare First Love, Invu, Girl Got Game...mangas that I've read and they don't have animes..far as I know). I personally like the anime, despite the whole filler thing. Especially the recent one where they're all in chibi form.

It was entertaining but I could understand full heartedly that it was completely going side-track from the plot (usually most of the time) where as the manga stays in-plot period and makes the general audience like it better because of it. Lots of animes have fillers, and I had hoped that this anime would be good. I was excited about it and everything. I personally enjoy watching Syaoran animated then non-animated. I'm like that with CCS as well, however there are some parts in the manga I like better.

Anyhow, I've only read a few volumes of the manga and then looked at the scans provided here. Can't say I've read it since I don't know my japanese well enough but what I've seen thus far is interesting. I do enjoy the manga like everyone else but I'm not on the ball with looking over the next chapter because I'm not a huge fan. Maybe thats why I prefer both. I can enjoy them equally without being an hardcore fan.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: moezychan on July 26 2006, 07:00 am: On account of Moon-chan's post, I edited the poll to 4 options now. Also, you're able to change your vote if you want. We now have the options of anime, manga, both, or neither o_O
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: mela on July 26 2006, 08:05 am: The manga. The thing about the anime is that they've watered down the story so completely in order to make it appropriate or something, that I think it has lost all of the feeling the manga has. I was a fan who started watching with the anime, but I never really cared about the characters or anything until I read the manga and then I saw them in a completely different light.

The manga has no really unnessecary worlds or situations, everything that happens is for a reason and everything is tied together. In the anime, they throw in way too many filler episodes that have nothing to do with anything, just wasting time. Then they cut out and make weird changes that give different interactions between characters so relationships are vastly changed for no logical reason in the anime.

Also, the artwork for the manga is a lot nicer, while the character design is okay at best and the animation is atrocious for the most part. The quality control basically is non-existant in the anime. While I understand it is easier to make the manga look better since it is only a few pages a week, there is no excuse for the disgusting animation quality in some of the episodes.

All in all, I feel that the anime does a very bad job at adapting a good story. I like to say that the anime gives you a very, very loose feel for the story, but if you want to feel any real emotion for the characters or see the arcs happen in ways that make sense and aren't diluted for an audience of elementary schoolers, then read the manga.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Emiko on July 26 2006, 12:21 pm: The animation fluctuates so wildly! Sometimes it's lovely and other time it's just terrible. During the first season there were a whole bunch of episodes where Fai's eyes were so ridiculously far apart. And Kurogane's hair looks pretty wooden sometimes. However, one thing I DO like about the anime is the way they use colour. The red moon behind Ashura in Shura is one example, or the lighting they use in certain scenes to make it look like it's sunset or something. At the end of the doodle episode, for example. So I like that. Sometimes.

But Fai looks skeleton-thin. He was *so* skinny in the first season. It's gotten better, bit still! Sakura's had her pencil-thin moments too. I mean, I know they get a lot of physical exercise, but come on! We've seen them eating. It's a well-rounded cycle.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: babypigggy on July 27 2006, 03:47 am: I like both, though the anime is probably not CLAMP's best work.

I think TRC is one of those anime taht are pretty much exactly the same as the manga.. unlike CCS. XD
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: moezychan on July 27 2006, 07:10 am: Quote from: babypigggy on July 27 2006, 03:47 am
I like both, though the anime is probably not CLAMP's best work.

I think TRC is one of those anime taht are pretty much exactly the same as the manga.. unlike CCS. XD

That's because the anime isn't CLAMP's work. It's Bee Trains. CLAMP has almost little to no influence on the anime, but has complete control over the manga, and for that reason the manga will always be better for me.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: envyofthestage on July 27 2006, 07:52 am: Definetly the manga.

Aside from all of the terrible plot/filler problems, the animation is just so bad. Seriously, the second episode of the first season, every time I look at Fai I just want to slap CLAMP about (but they don't do th anime do they?) . And Kurogane looks so puny most of the time, where's all that muscle...and muscle...and...? Mmmm. Anyway!
And there's the countless highly irratating Tomoyo/Kuro hints.

Th eonly good bit of animation I've seen so far was in Oto world when Kurogane confronted Fai about taking his life for granted. The animation there is just gorgeous and Kuro and Fai look perfect.

Most of the time, I don't think they've put ANY effort in at all.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Rekall on July 27 2006, 08:41 am: Quote from: moezy-chan on July 27 2006, 07:10 am
That's because the anime isn't CLAMP's work. It's Bee Trains. CLAMP has almost little to no influence on the anime, but has complete control over the manga, and for that reason the manga will always be better for me.

Exactly the anime is only an adaption of CLAMP's work so naturally the character designs, etc are not going to look as good. As far as I know, CLAMP has nothing to do with the anime.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: quimmy on July 30 2006, 08:22 am: I've only seen about five eps of the first season, and I liked the voices, that's all. xD The music was so twee, you'd hear it in an elevator. Fye was horribly unpretty, Kuro looked like a monkey (it's when I noticed that I decided to stop watching it xP ) It was just very slow moving, and had none of the original fun parts.

The manga is beautiful, the characters are interesting, it's faster moving, it can be a bit wobbly at times, and the cliffhangers are evil, but Kuro looks like a man and that's all I need. xD
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Jeannette on July 30 2006, 12:39 pm: XD Is there any reason to ask? Does ANYONE prefer the anime? Seriously, though. I almost never prefer the anime over the manga, but I feel this way far more towards Tsubasa and HOLiC. (About the only series where I prefer the anime is Revolutionary Girl Utena... the manga s*cks badly.) As beautiful as the music and VAs are, the animation and adapation are usually awful. I'll continue to watch and even buy it unless it goes even more downhill, just for the very well done parts, but I will always prefer the manga.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Hack on July 30 2006, 12:56 pm: manga of course, it's more detailed
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: moezychan on July 30 2006, 01:06 pm: Quote from: Jeannette on July 30 2006, 12:39 pm
XD Is there any reason to ask? Does ANYONE prefer the anime? Seriously, though. I almost never prefer the anime over the manga, but I feel this way far more towards Tsubasa and HOLiC. (About the only series where I prefer the anime is Revolutionary Girl Utena... the manga s*cks badly.) As beautiful as the music and VAs are, the animation and adapation are usually awful. I'll continue to watch and even buy it unless it goes even more downhill, just for the very well done parts, but I will always prefer the manga.

I'll admit the poll might have been a bit out of place, but my main goal here, as stated, was so we could dicuss rationally. I've seen a lot of members on the forums say that the anime isn't bad, but don't bother to back up why it isn't bad. I wanted people to state reasons. That was my true goal.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Rekall on July 30 2006, 01:55 pm: Quote from: Jeannette on July 30 2006, 12:39 pm
XD Is there any reason to ask? Does ANYONE prefer the anime? Seriously, though. I almost never prefer the anime over the manga

Ditto. It's extremely rare for me to watch an anime after I've read the manga anymore because I always end up disappointed that the anime version isn't as good as the manga.

The only times I perfer anime over manga is when the series is based off of something else. For example Kyou Kara Maou is based off of novels and even though there is now both an anime and a manga I like the anime better (although the manga is also fairly good). Miene Liebe is another example except it was a video game first instead of a novel (the ML manga is really bad compared to the anime and CD dramas).
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Airashii on July 31 2006, 11:19 am: Whoa, it seems that nobody likes the anime...wonder why, BeeTrain?

Anyway, the manga is soooo much better. The detail, their emotions, the funny faces Fai and Kurogane make, it's all unique in the manga. More funny and more violence...hehehehe...^o^.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Capella on July 31 2006, 11:24 am: I voted for the manga, obviously, but everyone has explained the reasons already so I don't feel the need to elaborate. I love the anime music, and there are certain parts I like (Outo and Shara/Shura), but overall there really is no comparison. It doesn't help that I prefer manga to anime as a medium in the first place (I just would rather read, and read over and over again than watch something on a screen).
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: tidus_oz on August 06 2006, 01:26 pm: I voted for manga definitely, but the anime have a lot of good music in it. But the storyline progress in manga is fast and the story become more complicated. As expected from CLAMP :haha:
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: xxxholic on August 07 2006, 12:12 pm: I prefer the anime, just like the rest of the people here. But i am surprised that there are no votes for the anime version of TRC. I totally blame that on BEETRAIN. They certainly did wrecked the whole series for me by editing tons of things that happened in the manga. And to think that they practically made Chii and Kuro canon almost made me freaked out. But i guess i was only looking too deep into things.

All in all, i agree with most of what has been said.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: xOLight_AngelOx on August 07 2006, 01:50 pm: well i like both and always have
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Chang on August 12 2006, 01:11 pm: i like both coz they're equally good ^_^
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: MÃ¸on Li on August 12 2006, 01:35 pm: I like both... though I would prefer that every detail and the story, was the same way... I mean no changes betwen them.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: TrC_ChRiStI* on August 15 2006, 09:29 am: Quote from: MÃ¸on Li on August 12 2006, 01:35 pm
I like both... though I would prefer that every detail and the story, was the same way... I mean no changes betwen them.

hahaha i think both, too but in the other hand the manga is more complete and u can underestand it better , but the anime is more realistic because the caracters are like ~~interesting xD~~
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Tatasenko on August 15 2006, 09:51 am: CLAMP's work can never be equalled by their anime counterpart because there are so many details in the manga that it would be impossible to convey everything on tv support,the productors are forced to do a compression,and it works more or less :sweatdrop:
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: suzine on August 16 2006, 07:07 am: Quote from: Tatasenko on August 15 2006, 09:51 am
CLAMP's work can never be equalled by their anime counterpart because there are so many details in the manga that it would be impossible to convey everything on tv support,the productors are forced to do a compression,and it works more or less :sweatdrop:
Heh. It works as "less" in the X TV anime (24 chapters for the whole X storyline+ the tacked-on ending. "Condensed" doesn't begin to cover it).

Voted for the manga, too. While the anime has beautiful music, the manga's far more complex and interesting, IMO.

Plus, BeeTrain, WTF?
1) Baaad fillers, no cookie! If CCS, DBZ and Inuyasha can manage good (and occasionally great) fillers, than so can you! Put a bit of effort into it, willya?

2)Â Really, ~~most~~ people aren't that stupid. And anime appeals to people older then 10. You can show blood, drinking and all if it's relevent to the plot ~~or amusing~~.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Syaozen on August 16 2006, 10:44 am: Manga all the waaay.

Emotions are horribly done in the anime, as with action sequences which are usually one image slightly moving, lol. Most of all, hardly any blood.

Not that I wanna see Syaoran get all bloody or anything, but it just makes the series seem a lot more serious than the anime makes it.

It's also really monotone and that makes it pathetic, really pathetic. I hate Syaoran's voice actor as well. The first episode where he was like crying for help, it was like he wasn't even putting any emotion in it as for the manga it was one of the important scenes of how determined he was.

I hate Bee Train. Period.
I agree, no animator can match CLAMP's beautiful artwork. I witnessed it in front of eyes in AX2006, when meeting them for the autograph. But C'MON, BEE TRAIN?? Ugh. If CLAMP is gonna do a series involving all of their past works into one, it has to be CLAMP that helps animate it and direct it, not freakin Bee Train.

Anyway, I thought CCS went magnificiently well even on its own storyline. I would love to have those animators do tsubasa, but I guess it's too late. The only thing that'd make me happy from the tsubasa anime is if they make like, the other Syaoran with the CCS Syaoran's voice. Then maybe my love for the series will finally kick in for the anime as well. I can't even imagine how they're gonna pull one of Syaoran's incantations with the current seiyuu.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Tatasenko on August 16 2006, 07:02 pm: the only thing that is really worthy in the anime are the music,which are totally wonderful,a true opera :okay:
moreover they always match perfectly with the actions,so it helps us bear the mediocre quality of the animation :keke:
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on August 16 2006, 07:38 pm: did i vote in this poll? O_o

manga is definalty better. by far. the only part of the anome tath was done good was the movie. tho there was pretty minimal actuion in it, the animation was done far better. the character designs matched the manga designs better than beetrains. (the only beef i have of the movie character designs were the eyes. fai's eyes needed to be bigger and brigher and syaorans needed to be a shade lighter.) otherwise everything, right down to the length of fai's hair was done terrificly. beetrain on the other hand, i dred every second of tokyo, from kamui and kurogane's face off at the start
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i seriosuly doubt we'll see kuro use his technique on kamui like inthe manga. no wall slamming for that fight
to the current situation :( its better to leave that kind of thing to the imagination then to see betrain ruin it. (i SEIORNLY hope they atleast gett the GOOD animaters to do tokyo, not the F-Up animaters they had at the start of shura. kamui is cute, but i dont want my first impression of him in the anime to be wonky :(
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Tatasenko on August 17 2006, 07:08 am: Beetrain MUST animated CLEARLY the recent chapter if we ever want to see some wonderful AMV based on Kurogane and Fai :okay: (if they do a awful job,the "Mokona's kidnappers" guild will show them what a "angry fan" means :angry:)
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Tricky on September 19 2006, 02:39 pm: The manga, obviously because its 100% CLAMP.
The anime belittles the characters and what they go through and ALL of the relationships. They try to come up with something new, a scene done differently, or in the Ashura/Yasha situation more scenes, but it looses the effect and meaning CLAMP originally planned for it.
The anime lacks feeling.
....The soundtrack is good thoguh....
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Renaya on September 19 2006, 02:48 pm: of course the manga yayy....And I guess others already made the point :heh:
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Mairi on September 19 2006, 06:34 pm: I'm another one voting for manga. Every single one of my favorite, most adored scenes in the manga were completely omitted from the anime. The characters look strange, move strangely, and lack everything that makes their manga selves endearing. When the anime came out a while ago I was really excited about it, and downloaded the first 3 episodes.

...I only made it through one and a half before getting bored, and I'm a very patient person.

Now, I understand why they've dumbed everything down, but I can't understand the complete lack of quality and characterization in the anime. Even with severe limitations for blood and drinking, I'm sure this could have been handled better. u_u

It's a little difficult for me to word how much more emotion is being expressed through the manga, but (I won't get into spoilers, so don't worry) when chapter 120 hit, I can't believe how much my heart sank at the last page. I was actually very much into a different series at the time and almost forgetting a little about TRC, sadly, but after that chapter I had trouble sleeping that night. I talked about it for the next two weeks. I have seen more episodes of the anime, and it has never had that impact, and never could with the style it has fallen into.

Ahhh, I've talked so much. u_u (Also what I have said has been mentioned in everyone's posts already, so probably this is pointless...)
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: ~Bloody_Rose~ on September 21 2006, 05:48 pm: well, i like the manga more than the anime.. coz of BeeTrain murdering the anime, the story's plot is ugh!!!
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Little Wolf on September 21 2006, 11:12 pm: Where did that one vote for the anime came from? Seriously?!?
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: ~Bloody_Rose~ on September 23 2006, 02:16 pm: Quote from: Little Wolf on September 21 2006, 11:12 pm
Where did that one vote for the anime came from? Seriously?!?
:sweatdrop: our beloved admin, maybe, the user has watched the first few episodes of TRC and havent' watch it for a long time... :XD:
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: tsuki on September 24 2006, 08:08 am: i said both are best!! ^__^
coz anime=has wonderful OST,their voices,songs,ans the diffferences from the manga.
coz manga=it is usually faster(the story)than anime,can read many times,and omakes!!(extras)
thats why i said both! ^__^
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: charcoalz on September 25 2006, 02:18 pm: hehe, i like the manga more..it has more detail =)
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: suu_no_clover on September 25 2006, 02:25 pm: Regardless of the pwnage of the music of the anime, it's still not good enough to save it from the animation of the anime. :/
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Chibi on September 29 2006, 12:46 pm: The manga of course.

The anime had a lot of potential, but Bee Train just ruined it. I really liked season 1, but season 2... oh, what happened to you? First of all, I was kind of mad with them switching the worlds around, since Piffle came after the Shura world in the manga, but whatever. But what really made me mad is how they're just rushing through the canon worlds. I expected waaaay more than 3 episodes for Piffle, and more for Shura. *sigh*

The fillers, oh don't get me started. Okay, I loved the one where they were all drawn by Mokona. Best. Filler. EVER. That's Tsubasa on CRACK. However, the fillers this season have been horrible. I didn't really mind the ones last season, but...

The one with the bus. That was a total waste of my life. The majority of the episodes was them sitting on the bus and Bee Train abusing that beautiful song.

The FaixChii episode... oh, don't get me started. Chii's not a human. In Tsubasa, she's an alarm system. In Chobits, she's a persocom. WHY IS SHE A HUMAN NOW?! And what about HIDEKI?!?! Hideki is Chii's one and only! Not Fai! Fai wasn't in Chobits!

Eh, I need to get off to study for a test, but I'm sure everyone else can explain what else I don't like with the anime. ^^
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: *~LostKitty~* on September 29 2006, 12:53 pm: I like BOTH !!!
I can't really decide cause both the anome and manga are greaat
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: SOxxYOUxxTHOUGHT on September 29 2006, 01:14 pm: i think the manga is better, because it(artwork, storyline, etc.) actually is what the author/artist wants.

but don't get me wrong, the anime is still great. it's just that sometimes, when it's animated...it can get....disappointing. ^^"
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Post by: Toge-chan on October 04 2006, 10:23 am: I like the manga best. It's somehow more detailed and relaxed as in the number of chapters in a world, compared to the number of episodes in a world.

The music mostly owns. But the animÃ© itself was ruined by BeeTrain, the animation and all the censoring is like, annoying. After all, it's really childish that just like that. In this kind of things there's violence, and it's stupid not to show one or two blind eyes, also changing everything in Chun-Hyang's world for political issues is racist. . . in my opinion.

But yeah, manga for me~ :D
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Post by: Moro-dashi on October 04 2006, 11:28 am: Manga manga manga manga manga manga manga. Which means alot coming from me, because I have ADHD and it's hard for me to sit and read for an extended period of time XD Especially when I'm reading the scanalations, and I am doing 100 things at once on the computer so it takes me an hour or so to read one chapter.

I swear if theres much more KuroTomoness I'm going to puke. It's just about the worst thing since DIC made Zoicite a female in Sailor Moon o_O. If they totally disregard KuroFai (There have still been some strong KuroFai momments in the anime, IMHO), I'll kill a man. Or several.

The anime is not without it's merrit though. Like someone said, the Oekaki Mokona episode XD "GAO!!!!!!!!!! BEEEEAM!!!" ::Rolls.:: Also, I'm working on my KuroFai AMV right now, and I just rewatched the scene in Season 1 Ep 17 where Fai forcefeeds Kuro the chocolate, and the sounds he makes while he's poking him are priceless XD. I think we all agree that the vocie actors rock.

There are a *few* filler scenes that have been worth it. LIke in the bus episode, watching Kuro trying to make small talk with that old man was priceless. However, it seems for ever cute filler scene theres like, 10 amazing scenes from the manga that are left out T_T I was so excited about seeing Fai and Sakura drunk and Kuro chasing them around. Oh well. :/
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Ruby Chan on October 05 2006, 08:36 pm: Definitely the manga. Bee Train has slaughtered the anime, especially the episode where Fai used his magic for the first time properly. And the fillers are driving me crazy - most of the time they don't even have relevant plots!
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: cameo on October 12 2006, 11:55 am: manga is my choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!... anime.. i watched the first season only. second season, i lost interest.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: *~LostKitty~* on October 27 2006, 07:20 pm: I think both the anime and manga has its own "atractions''
ANIME : it has colour , sounds...the fighting techniques are cooler , the songs and background music are nice and also , it offers some episodes we don't find in the manga [ like the episode in season 2 which they all turn into chibi versions ]
MANGA : the art is great , neat and easy to read. The charcters are also more comical
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Tatasenko on November 05 2006, 09:06 am: Quote from: lostkitty on October 27 2006, 07:20 pm
I think both the anime and manga has its own "atractions''
ANIME : it has colour , sounds...the fighting techniques are cooler , the songs and background music are nice and also , it offers some episodes we don't find in the manga [ like the episode in season 2 which they all turn into chibi versions ]
MANGA : the art is great , neat and easy to read. The charcters are also more comical

the problem of mostly anime is that in order to take advantage of huge amount of profits,the animation studios broadcast the first episodes while the mangas are still only few chapters further on,so they are forced to create useless episodes to keep up the distance with the manga :dodge:.
of course this quick procedure seems totally foolish since it only ends with a insipid anime,but if the studios want to earn much money they have to make advertisements and goodies since the beginning,even if it means sacrificing the quality of the anime for their own benefit :surprised:!

but this isn't an excuse for beetrain's botched work,because when we think about the wonderful anime of Full Metal Alchemist they are totally crushed :
the anime of FMA was started while the manga was near his end,and however it was a incredible success which has generated a historical outcome!and sicne Bones studio has waited to see the progress of the scenario in the manga they have got plenty time to do a meticulous work :okay:!

FMA which wasn't a very popular manga has got a gorgeous anime,while TRC which comes from the widely-known CLAMP has got a ugly anime,money is not everything :shifty:
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Arcademan on November 05 2006, 09:13 am: The manga is much better than the anime...but then again, this can be said about almost any series that you compare the manga to their anime counterpart.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Tatasenko on November 05 2006, 10:08 am: Quote from: Arcademan on November 05 2006, 09:13 am
The manga is much better than the anime...but then again, this can be said about almost any series that you compare the manga to their anime counterpart.

yeah,this is certainly the way things should be :keke:

i think that it is natural to prefer manga to anime,it comes from the difference of feelings conveyed between the two supports !
flashy colors are fading the sinuous lines of a artwork,and a single symbolical image is often much more expressive than some awkwards action scenes :surprised:.

it's exactly the same thing as when we are looking at formers family photos in black and white,the emotions that occurs are always deeper than when we are watching photos in colors,mostly because in the first case the details become more pronounced :okay:!
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Sandra-chan on November 05 2006, 10:42 am: The manga is (of course) much better than the anime!!!, I can't belive some people think the anime is better....
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Itzeen on November 05 2006, 10:49 am: Pros of the manga; the drowings are excuisit, a story with no censure, blood (well is like realistic).

Pros of the anime; You can see them in colour, with movement and voices, and intro and ending songs.

Neg of the manga; I think............... is in black and white..... I would like in colour

Neg of the anime; where can I start.... ok some filling episodes.... some times the adaptation of the manga version, and many other things, but I'm lazy to write them all.
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Sandra-chan on November 05 2006, 10:55 am: Quote from: Tatasenko on November 05 2006, 09:06 am
the problem of mostly anime is that in order to take advantage of huge amount of profits,the animation studios broadcast the first episodes while the mangas are still only few chapters further on,so they are forced to create useless episodes to keep up the distance with the manga :dodge:.
of course this quick procedure seems totally foolish since it only ends with a insipid anime,but if the studios want to earn much money they have to make advertisements and goodies since the beginning,even if it means sacrificing the quality of the anime for their own benefit :surprised:!

but this isn't an excuse for beetrain's botched work,because when we think about the wonderful anime of Full Metal Alchemist they are totally crushed :
the anime of FMA was started while the manga was near his end,and however it was a incredible success which has generated a historical outcome!and sicne Bones studio has waited to see the progress of the scenario in the manga they have got plenty time to do a meticulous work :okay:!

FMA which wasn't a very popular manga has got a gorgeous anime,while TRC which comes from the widely-known CLAMP has got a ugly anime,money is not everything :shifty:

Well I just wanted to say that I also love the FMA anime very much, but the anime wasn't made when the manga was near it's end. It was made 2004 and the manga is still ongoing. :sweatdrop: And because the manga wasn't finished bones made up the ending for the series. I agree on that the FMA anime might be more popular than the manga but the manga is very famous too! :okay:
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Tatasenko on November 05 2006, 12:25 pm: Quote from: Sandra-chan on November 05 2006, 10:55 am
Well I just wanted to say that I also love the FMA anime very much, but the anime wasn't made when the manga was near it's end. It was made 2004 and the manga is still ongoing. :sweatdrop: And because the manga wasn't finished bones made up the ending for the series. I agree on that the FMA anime might be more popular than the manga but the manga is very famous too! :okay:

yeah,you are probably right,in fact i just stated that unthinkinglyÂ :sweatdrop:!
but at least even if Bones didn't know the end of the manga they were enough hard working to create episodes without any dead time and sufficiently intelligent to anticipate what the author of the manga was planning to do!
the only "useless" episode of the anime is the 37,where Roy and his team are investigating about inexistants ghosts,but even this one is HILARIOUS and brings some coolness to the atmosphere mostly sorrowful of the animeÂ :keke:

the fillers episodes of Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle conveys all the inverse,instead of refreshing they are stifing and Mokona's stupid jokes are all Beetrain has found to try to make us laughÂ :shifty:...

even Black Hayate who didn't talk is really much more touching than Mokona,it's a shame for BeetrainÂ :okay:

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Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: GÃ®lwen on November 09 2006, 07:30 am: Manga! I love the manga.

The anime? Oh well I've watched the first season, and to say something positive, I didn't think the voices were bad. But the animation... I just don't like it. And I really hate stupid fillers.

But I have to say, I don't watch the second season, so I can't say anything about that. :heh:
Title: Re: TRC: Anime vs. Manga
Post by: Arcademan on November 10 2006, 11:06 am: Over 85% voted for the manga. I'd say this is a slam dunk :)