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Title: trc character's defects ^_^U
Post by: ishiyaki on May 13 2006, 07:43 am: well, I've opened this topic since all the time all of us are talking about greatness is TRC character, and this is very good but...are they so really wonderful? I think that if we want know better TRC crew we have to know their weakness... :sweatdrop:
for example, Sakura is worried about Syaoran but she blames herself too much...or syaoran, who sometimes uses violence to arrange events that don't need it....
As I always say, this is my own point of view and I'm not against TRC, NEVER!!!!! TRC is the best Clamp's manga I've read. :noteworthy:
what do you think about this?
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Post by: Sheepworld on May 14 2006, 04:35 am: If I have to complain about a character, it's be that Sakura sleeps way too much. I know it's not her faut but sometimes I wish someone would get the black marker out and draw all over her face.
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Post by: mia-chan on May 14 2006, 04:57 am: I agree Sakura is always sleeping. In Outo she kept oversleeping and then she fainted when she was washing dishes. LOL, I understand why though because she hasn't got all her feathers.
All of them have faults though as otherwise they wouldn't be realistic. Kurogane gets angry too easily, Mokana always wants attention, Syaoran takes everything too seriously and I would say that Fai doesn't take life seriously enough!

But saying all that, I wouldn't change them for the world, though hopefully Sakura starts feeling stronger soon.
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Post by: Touei on May 14 2006, 05:45 am: Quote from: mia-chan on May 14 2006, 04:57 am
I would say that Fai doesn't take life seriously enough!
Only in the sense that he doesnt seem to value his life, not that he acts silly all the time, although in my opinion Fai's biggest fault is probably the fact he hides behind his cheery mask and keeps all his emotions locked up - he is scared of anyone getting to close to the real him so he puts up a facade. This isolates him from other people.
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Post by: mia-chan on May 14 2006, 06:00 am: Quote from: Znuese on May 14 2006, 05:45 am
Only in the sense that he doesnt seem to value his life, not that he acts silly all the time, although in my opinion Fai's biggest fault is probably the fact he hides behind his cheery mask and keeps all his emotions locked up - he is scared of anyone getting to close to the real him so he puts up a facade. This isolates him from other people.

Yes sorry this is kinda what I meant, I wasn't clear enough, I didn't mean that he was immature! He acts as though he has no cares in the world and like he doesn't value his life, as Kurogane says in one of the Outo episodes. Hope this is a little clearer.
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Post by: Touei on May 14 2006, 06:11 am: Quote from: mia-chan on May 14 2006, 06:00 am
Yes sorry this is kinda what I meant, I wasn't clear enough, I didn't mean that he was immature! He acts as though he has no cares in the world and like he doesn't value his life, as Kurogane says in one of the Outo episodes. Hope this is a little clearer.

Yup n__n
I think that he made a concious change to act like this though.. probably after whatever happened in his past happened (So looking forward to seeing Fai's past! XD)
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Post by: mia-chan on May 14 2006, 06:28 am: Me too! I loved that episode when Mokona has that in depth conversation with Fai about Fai's feelings and that Fai has the right to be happy too. I think it was something like that. Such a touching moment. And Mokona's cute face! Sorry got carried away with Mokona's cuteness.

Anyway back on topic, Fai should open up or it will just build up inside him. It's not good for him.
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Post by: ishiyaki on May 14 2006, 07:26 am: yes, I'm agree with you about Fai but what happens with syaoran? he's the main character and we love his personality, of course:he always know what to do but...is all of his acts so great? I remember the arriving to Koryo, when that fat guy( I don't remember his name ^_^U) wanted to catch sakura and syaoran answered with a kick...I think that there were another ways to talk with that guy...
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Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on May 15 2006, 07:06 pm: that fat guy i think is called Ryanban...not sure tho.

Fai has decided to try to live life. in the outo ep where he faught seishiro and the onis he said "i used to think that dying would be an adventure. ive decided that living would also an adventure" or something along those lines. as for hiding his emotions, i read in one fic that shows a great insight that supressing painfull emotions, sadness, grief and self-laothing can eventualy cause a person to crack (and in some real life cases that can happen). and thats where Kuro shows he cares. he wants fai to stop hiding behind a smile all he time and he wants to help fai get over his past ^_^
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Post by: mia-chan on May 16 2006, 12:04 am: Quote from: SailorYue on May 15 2006, 07:06 pm
that fat guy i think is called Ryanban...not sure tho.

Fai has decided to try to live life. in the outo ep where he faught seishiro and the onis he said "i used to think that dying would be an adventure. ive decided that living would also an adventure" or something along those lines. as for hiding his emotions, i read in one fic that shows a great insight that supressing painfull emotions, sadness, grief and self-laothing can eventualy cause a person to crack (and in some real life cases that can happen). and thats where Kuro shows he cares. he wants fai to stop hiding behind a smile all he time and he wants to help fai get over his past ^_^

Oh that would be a touching moment, hope that would be in the storyline, I can just see it now! Surely Fai has other character defects? That can't be his only one! I know he's brilliant and all but surely we can think of more?
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Post by: Jenx on May 16 2006, 11:25 am: Fai is SUCH a pity whore. Oh, I love him best of them all, but really now- if you're going to be emo, either do it really publicly or really privately. He just dangles it in their face like "Oh look, I'm emo, but I won't tell you why or anything ^.^" and it's OBNOXIOUS.
As for Syaoran... dear god, can we say overprotective hero complex? Loosen UP, my boy!
Sakura's a damsel in distress. Ugh.
Kuro-wanko's only defect is that he doesn't know when to stop, I think. Aside from the wholr killing thing, I'm talking about in emotional discussions too. I mean, it's fine to rag on Fai for 10 pages about how much you hate him, but do you really have to poke his wounds while you're talking? I'm pretty sure that wasn't making Fai pay any more attention.
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Post by: Pikari on May 16 2006, 12:00 pm: Quote from: mia-chan on May 16 2006, 12:04 am
Oh that would be a touching moment, hope that would be in the storyline, I can just see it now! Surely Fai has other character defects? That can't be his only one! I know he's brilliant and all but surely we can think of more?
I wouldn't exactly call those character defects... Definitely not from a writing standpoint, at least. Actually, everything that's been said is really what makes him a great character, and why he's one of the most popular characters in the series. You could call them faults, sure, but then perfect people are boring. Case in point: *glances at Sakura and Syaoran*

Sakura is probably the most annoying, since CLAMP seemed to turn her into a stereotype anime sweet girl/damsel in distress. Especially since we have CCS to compare her to.. she seems less of a character in TRC than she did in CCS. Blame it on her missing memories, but that still doesn't make her any more exciting for 14 volumes. ^^;

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I mean, it's fine to rag on Fai for 10 pages about how much you hate him, but do you really have to poke his wounds while you're talking? I'm pretty sure that wasn't making Fai pay any more attention.
Aww, that's tough love. ^__^; He's just trying to get Fai to straighten up and face himself, and that's the only way he knows how to do it. Fai's pretty stubborn, anyway.
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Post by: Hack on May 16 2006, 12:37 pm: Sakura sleeps ALL the time, i mean i love her in CCS, cause she tries her best in
everything but this Sakura doesn't do anything

and syaoran ....yes, no one is perfect and syao is little too protective, he got to live his life

fai, everyone says he doesn't take life seriously, i agree, but we first have to see his past
before we say something about him

kurogane..i wish he doesn't "pretend" not to care....just care :)
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Post by: Konata Izumi on May 16 2006, 01:20 pm: hmmm... I kinda agree to what Mizu-Tenshi said...
Sakura sleeps alot, and it's quite the opposite to the sakura of CCS, who is energetic and lively...

Also, I don't think syaoran is that OP, I think he really cares about Sakura and he's just obsessed with being with her. That might be his weakness... (It might give him his trength during those tough situations...)

Also, Kurogane, I don't think his irony about not caring but in fact he does care at all makes up for his weakness, but rather, I think it's his arrogance and his semi-angsty mood that kinda puts him down (as well as the spell princess tomoyo put upon him at the start..)

and for Fai... Let's just wait and see... For he may look cheerful and active, but looks can be deceiving.... 0.o
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Post by: Hack on May 16 2006, 01:28 pm: Quote from: Elysia Silvermoon on May 16 2006, 01:20 pm
hmmm... I kinda agree to what Mizu-Tenshi said...
Sakura sleeps alot, and it's quite the opposite to the sakura of CCS, who is energetic and lively...

Also, I don't think syaoran is that OP, I think he really cares about Sakura and he's just obsessed with being with her. That might be his weakness... (It might give him his trength during those tough situations...)

Also, Kurogane, I don't think his irony about not caring but in fact he does care at all makes up for his weakness, but rather, I think it's his arrogance and his semi-angsty mood that kinda puts him down (as well as the spell princess tomoyo put upon him at the start..)

and for Fai... Let's just wait and see... For he may look cheerful and active, but looks can be deceiving.... 0.o

eh, you can just call me Kai-chan or hack-chan
anyways ,i like how you said, syaoran obsessed with sakura
*run off after seeing syao fans after me*^^;;
i mean, i am a syaoran's fangirl, but like i said, he gonna live his life...as a normal teenager
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Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on May 16 2006, 01:34 pm: one reason behind syao's over protective ness is that he promised touya he'd take care of her...and no one wants to face the wrath of a POed older brother :lol: perhaps traking care of sajkura and bringng her home in one peice will finaly get toyua off his back
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Post by: Konata Izumi on May 16 2006, 01:54 pm: Quote from: SailorYue on May 16 2006, 01:34 pm
one reason behind syao's over protective ness is that he promised touya he'd take care of her...and no one wants to face the wrath of a POed older brother :lol: perhaps traking care of sajkura and bringng her home in one peice will finaly get toyua off his back

Well, if that is CCS, then it may be.. XD But since this is TRC, me think syaoran's OPness goes way deeper than that, maybe.. because he doesn't want to lose a precious friend...
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Post by: Cherry tiger on May 16 2006, 02:07 pm: I know Sakura's really irritating right now, but she has tried her best no matter how simple it looks. She really tried her best in Piffle country and I think that should count for something. She has mentioned in the Lecourt country that she hated feeling so useless, but Fye and Mokona assured her that it's all right. So you can't blame her for not doing anything... she would if she could.

And she isn't so sleepy as she used to be. Although in the latest world,
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she has been asleep throughout most of it so far, but I believe there's a reason for it.

Syaoran is definitely too uptight though.... but like everyone else has said, it can't be helped. He has someone very dear to protect, together with the promise he made. At least he's made a vast improvement from the first few worlds... though it would be nice to see him blush and get jealous once in a while. -____- Ah well... this is TRC.

Fye has his faults as well... one is he's keeping everything to himself! I really hope he opens up or something... cause it's so obvious his past has made him who he is now, and that's curious enough for all of us.

Kurogane... I agree, he should stop pretending to act so tough. If you care about someone, say it! Stop hiding it to yourself as well! Ah well... must be a ninja thing so that's ok for me.

So far, I pretty much accept all the faults in everyone. ^^;;;
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Post by: Mimie on May 16 2006, 04:25 pm: This is just my opinion but uh....Sakura used to be lively *before* she lost her feathers, and the reason why she always sleeps is because of lack of energy. Remember that after Sakura and Syaoran arrived in Yuuko's place, Yuuko told them that if the feathers are not returned then Sakura will die. So if you think about it, since only a handful of feathers had been returned so far so there is still a lacking of energy in Sakura's body.

I agree with SailorYue-chan, Syaoran's overprotectivness may have been because of the promise he made with Touya back in Clow Country. Say if you had someone you promised to protect and you WANT to protect wouldn't you be a little uptight too? But yeah, he does use voilence to solve simple problems sometimes but that is probably due to the fact that he is possessed. *In Lecourt*

Anyway, I just hope my ramblings can be understood. These are just my opinions, though.
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Post by: suu_no_clover on May 16 2006, 05:02 pm: Syaoran's too 'zomfg selfless!!!', Sakura needs to wake up in every sense of the word, Fai needs to go all destructive with his magical powers of d00m ( :XD: ) and Kuro-pon needs to be a bit, oh.... less blunt? And the whole killing addiction doesn't do much good either. He needs to vent it on something like fanfiction. >:D

And now, a new statement!
None of the children on the show are developed or horny. >_> I mean really, now. They're what, 15? I wonder if Syaoran even knows where babies come from... naive kids.
Title: Re: trc character's defects ^_^U
Post by: mia-chan on May 16 2006, 08:17 pm: Quote from: Pikari on May 16 2006, 12:00 pm
I wouldn't exactly call those character defects... Definitely not from a writing standpoint, at least. Actually, everything that's been said is really what makes him a great character, and why he's one of the most popular characters in the series. You could call them faults, sure, but then perfect people are boring. Case in point: *glances at Sakura and Syaoran*

Sakura is probably the most annoying, since CLAMP seemed to turn her into a stereotype anime sweet girl/damsel in distress. Especially since we have CCS to compare her to.. she seems less of a character in TRC than she did in CCS. Blame it on her missing memories, but that still doesn't make her any more exciting for 14 volumes. ^^;
Aww, that's tough love. ^__^; He's just trying to get Fai to straighten up and face himself, and that's the only way he knows how to do it. Fai's pretty stubborn, anyway.

I did mean faults! I wouldn't change any of the characters in Tsubasa. If they were all perfect then it would be really boring, I like picking holes in their characters as it shows what good characters they are. Does this make sense?
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Post by: cherrytree on May 19 2006, 05:18 pm: Quote from: suu_no_clover on May 16 2006, 05:02 pm

And now, a new statement!
None of the children on the show are developed or horny. >_> I mean really, now. They're what, 15? I wonder if Syaoran even knows where babies come from... naive kids.

I definately agree wih you there. :rotfl:
I also thought that Sakura was under developped for her age.
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Post by: ishiyaki on May 20 2006, 07:19 am: Quote from: cherrytree on May 19 2006, 05:18 pm
I definately agree wih you there. :rotfl:
I also thought that Sakura was under developped for her age.
I'm agree with you...Sakura still appears a child...sometimes I think if she is or not a teenager...XD
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Post by: Pikari on May 22 2006, 01:30 pm: Quote from: mia-chan on May 16 2006, 08:17 pm
I did mean faults! I wouldn't change any of the characters in Tsubasa. If they were all perfect then it would be really boring, I like picking holes in their characters as it shows what good characters they are. Does this make sense?
I wasn't directing my post at you, sorry if it seemed that way. Just at the thread in general. ^^;; And you're right, flaws are what make them interesting and good characters.
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Post by: Ying Hua on May 23 2006, 01:40 am: Eh... I can't think of anything bad to say about Syaoran. ^^;;; Maybe the naive thing you guys are talking about, yeah, but I like his overprotectiveness.

Sakura... I can't blame here for sleeping too much. Nowadays though, she's not as tired. XD Can't think of her defect too! Maybe I'll just go with the naiveness you were talking about.

Fye... The fake smiles. I hate his fake smiles.

Kurogane... The obsession with violence.
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Post by: Big Kitty on May 23 2006, 05:33 pm: Syaoran is just overprotective but I like it. Can't say anything bad about it. But I don't like Sakura sleeping too much, she'll get headaches (that happens to me when I oversleep). Kurogane should get over with his "killing" addiction. and Fai, he should open up to his friends more.
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Post by: Sailor Yue-chan on May 23 2006, 05:59 pm: Quote from: Big Kitty on May 23 2006, 05:33 pm
Kurogane should get over with his "killing" addiction. and Fai, he should open up to his friends more.
actualy, in a way kuro has gotten over it.
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the only time he was willing to kill someone regardless of the curse was when he found out that FAI and the kids were "killed" by seishiro
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Post by: envyofthestage on May 25 2006, 06:54 am: Quote from: SailorYue on May 23 2006, 05:59 pm
actualy, in a way kuro has gotten over it.
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the only time he was willing to kill someone regardless of the curse was when he found out that FAI and the kids were "killed" by seishiro

Yeaaaah, not so sure about that. Okay, maybe not people so much but every time there are monsters or any sort of violence, Kuro-puff is always, "ZOMG?! TEH KILLING SPREE!"
So to speak.
Of course, I think I would faint if he was, "Aaah, violence eez not zee anzwer." In that strange way.
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Post by: aiko-dono on July 20 2006, 09:58 am: I don't know if anybody else had say this but I think that the worst defect of shaoran is his new personality in TRC.

I mean, he had always been a god goy but in CCS he was more serious ,shy and he was not...smiling at everybody always, not even to Sakura, also he was more jealous... I miss that, Shaoran been jelous -_-' it was kind of cutte when Eriol was with Sakura and Shaoran was all frustrated because of that.

._. Maybe he will be more jealous of Fai if Fai wasn't so obiously gay...but still...>O< I want a jealous Shaoran! that makes the SxS more interesting!. Wasn'tÂ Shaoran liking Sakura and didn't know how to tell her what make us like the couple in first place? that poor boy sufering! XD I miss that!.
...*coff*
._. But that could be just me.

About the others... ._. naah, I don't complain about them, just a little bitt of Sakura for being so useless but I guess I can't really blame her, she needs her feathers and also I don't expect see her really fighting.. XD she don't have her clow cards here!

Kurogane and Fai have their defects... -o- but because of them I love those two so I don't mind.
(._. sorry for my crappy english)
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Post by: Luci-Chan~~ on July 20 2006, 11:19 pm: Well, Fye issss........................ I dont now, very strange xDDD
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Post by: Konata Izumi on July 21 2006, 12:11 am: yawn... Syaoran is "immaculate", meaning he has no faults except his "perfectness", while fye... he has his faults too... he'sjust hiding em... ^^