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Okay, this it one of my burning questions about Tsubasa's ending. Since such a large number of us love the idea of KuroxFai love, while others hate it, I just thought I'd do this.
Personally, I vote for option one. :keke: Or maybe five. :heh:
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Number one most definitely!! :toothy9:
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I voted for the first choice, of course! But I felt a strong urge to click this one:
Whatchya talkin' about, will? They're already making sweet, sweet love/shagging like rabbits.
:lol: And I was glad to see someone voted for it too! X3
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Hmmm... I debated if I should let this thread stay, because we already have so many relationship type threads, but since we have a poll going...
I personally say they are already together, (remember everything we don't know about from Shurano when they were alone for six months?) And the way they act together, it could only be love. ^__^
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I've been thinking about that myself recently. For all we know, it could end up the way TomoyoxSakura ended up. Not happening. ;_;
With all my heart, i hope they will become a couple. but i've got this strange feeling Kurogane might end up with Tomoyo-hime.
let's all make protest signs and head for Japan! we'll boycot Clamp until they give us what we want!!
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ROFL! I love the poll options LadyUltima :rotfl:!!
I voted for the first choice, of course! But I felt a strong urge to click this one:
:lol: And I was glad to see someone voted for it too! X3
Hahaha! Same here :rotfl:
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OMG! I can't believe I didn't notice this poll yet >_<
Well, number 1 and number 5 were both so tempting, but I ended up choosing number 5 :wink: :XD:
*All KuroFai fans here need to believe in them that much :haha:*
Thank you, LadyUltima, for making this poll :D
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There is no question to what I chose, it was number one!! This better happen..If not, us fan girls can go on dreaming :haha:
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Sakaki- Yeah, there's definitely the possibility that they're already together. Recently there have been some really close, intimate scenes in the manga between the two of them that just make squee. And if they are having sex already, and/or when (not if, when, dammit!) they're together in the future, it will definitely be because they love each other. Clamp doesn't do a lot of the 'I'll have sex with you even though I don't actually love you' couples. I read a few KuroxFai fanfics like that, and absolutely hated them. I put in the 'shagging like rabbits' bit because they would most definitely be having fun... :angel4: Loving someone hardly means that you don't have a lot of fun in bed, you know. :wink:
And as for TomoyoxKuro... Even if I wasn't a rabid KuroxFai fan, I wouldn't like that pairing. It just seems too creepy for me. Yeah, Clamp's done some really really creepy pairings sometimes (EriolXKaho, anybody?) but that just seems...
And to the comment about TomoyoxSakura- that doesn't go anywhere because Sakura's supposed to be with Syaoran. There's a clear reason why poor Tomoyo is left with an unrequited crush/love/infatuation. There's no clear reason that Kuro and Fai wouldn't be able to be together. (edited to make more sense)
Meowzy, dear, I will most certainly join you in your protest if necessary. :protest:
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And to the comment about comparing TomoyoxSakura- that doesn't go anywhere because Sakura's supposed to be with Syaoran. There's a clear reason why poor Tomoyo is left with an unrequited crush/love/infatuation. There's no clear reason that Kuro and Fai would be able to be together.
But see, we might be able to compare Tomoyo-hime with CCS Syaoran here. What if Kurogane is supposed to be with Tomoyo? (after a certain scene in Pfiffle country, i get this nagging suspicion.)
Orrrr, what if Fai is supposed to be with Ashura? We don't know.... *snifffff*
Maybe it would be best to compare Kurogane and Fai with Syaoran and Sakura, and compare Tomoyo-hime with... Tomoyo? XD
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For all we know, it could end up the way TomoyoxSakura ended up. Not happening. ;_;
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yeah, i agree with Meowzy with this point.. so i voted the 2nd option..
erm, may i ask.. what does it mean by canon?
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I actually voted for the last option. As much as I like the idea of KuroxFai, I don't think it would actually happen because Tsubasa is a shounen anime. Shounen anime is as we all know is anime for boys and I doubt most of the boys Clamp is targeting Tsubasa at would like reading about a shounen-ai couple. If Tsubasa was a shoujo anime, then I could definetly see it happening, but not with it being a shounen anime. They might put in lots of hints that they are a couple and leave it open for the fans to decide, but I don't think it would become official because it'd seem too out of place in a shounen series, though somehow I feel like Kurogane would probably wind up with Tomoyohime.
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Canon: an official part of the story line of a series, as opposed to fan guesses and dreams. It means it's clearly what the author(s) meant the fans to believe.
As to the comment about Tsubasa being a shonen series, and so being less likely to have a malexmale couple; that's a point, true, but Clamp's X/1999 and Tokyo Babylon technically qualify as shonen, I believe- they're hardly shoujo like CCS- but Clamp had no qualms about putting heavy shonen-ai/yaoi elements in the story. And I don't think any fans complained, considering that those are two of their most popular series.
And personally, I've never seen much in the Tomoyo/Kurogane relationship to indicate romance- just a deep respect and caring. More like a brother/sister thing, to my mind. Protectiveness doesn't mean automatic romantic interest, even between non-related couples. Besides, Tomoyo, to me, seems to be gay. I don't think she's ever been shown to have an interest in any boys, whether in CCS or Tsubasa. Her only romantic interest has been Sakura, a girl. This doesn't techincally mean much- Tomoyo could, of course, turn out to fall in love with a boy. But honestly, poor Tomoyo has always been set up as the one who lucks out- the girl who's in love with someone who happens to love someone else. I don't think Clamp would change that to give her a relationship with Kurogane.
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Yeah, i suppose that last thing makes sense. matching Tomoyo up with Kurogane when she was all over Sakura in CCS....
Besides, i think Kurogane is too old for her. But that might be just me. ^^'
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*stares at option 1* ... *stares at option 5* ... *tries to click them both at the same time* Dangit! Hrrrmmmm.... Huuwaaa, FINE, I'm romance-obsessed, so number 1. Although 5 could still occur at night... Or early in the morning.. Or afternoon... ^.~ Heh heh... Or all day... Ehem, sorry. Yes, I love KuroFai. It fuels me. KuroTomo weirds me out, and even if I wasn't obsessed with KuroFai, KuroTomo would still give me the heebyjeebies because they just act like brother and sister to me! But, kind of in a double way. Like he looks out for her as far as physical protection goes, and she looks out for him as far as things like... hrrrm, how do you word that? She helps him... better himself? You know what I mean? So instead of him just looking out for her, they kind of look out for each other, and THAT'S cute, but them macking, is NOT. ((In my opinion, of course.))
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Canon: an official part of the story line of a series, as opposed to fan guesses and dreams. It means it's clearly what the author(s) meant the fans to believe.
As to the comment about Tsubasa being a shonen series, and so being less likely to have a malexmale couple; that's a point, true, but Clamp's X/1999 and Tokyo Babylon technically qualify as shonen, I believe- they're hardly shoujo like CCS- but Clamp had no qualms about putting heavy shonen-ai/yaoi elements in the story. And I don't think any fans complained, considering that those are two of their most popular series.
And personally, I've never seen much in the Tomoyo/Kurogane relationship to indicate romance- just a deep respect and caring. More like a brother/sister thing, to my mind. Protectiveness doesn't mean automatic romantic interest, even between non-related couples. Besides, Tomoyo, to me, seems to be gay. I don't think she's ever been shown to have an interest in any boys, whether in CCS or Tsubasa. Her only romantic interest has been Sakura, a girl. This doesn't techincally mean much- Tomoyo could, of course, turn out to fall in love with a boy. But honestly, poor Tomoyo has always been set up as the one who lucks out- the girl who's in love with someone who happens to love someone else. I don't think Clamp would change that to give her a relationship with Kurogane.
Except that X is a shoujo anime. Just because it's darker and more violent than CCS doesn't make it a shounen anime. And I don't know about the manga because I've only just started reading the X manga and I haven't read any of Tokyo Babylon yet, but in the anime the shounen-ai elements were something that was only hinted at. Also, X was more of an anime that's aimed at older anime fans, but Tsubasa, like CCS, is more for kids. The older male fans who watched X were probably mature enough to not let something like some shounen-ai hints bother them, but little kids, especially boys, tend to think that sort of thing is gross and they might not like Tsubasa anymore if they start adding in shounen-ai. But looking back at the series, you're probably right that Kurogane wouldn't end up with Tomoyo.
Even though the Tomoyo in Tsubasa is a different character from the Tomoyo in CCS, Fai commented in the series that people's souls will always be the same no matter which world that they're in or something like that. If that is true, then Tomoyo will probably still be a lesbian even in Tsubasa, or at least will probably be the girl that always ends up alone as you said. But I still think they would probably only leave KuroxFai open for debate and have it so that their relationship is something that's only hinted at. That way it would make everyone happy because there would still be a possibilty of Kurogane x Tomoyo for the fans that like that couple, but at the same time there would still be the possibilty of KuroxFai for the fans who like that couple instead.
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I voted option 2.
Again, as I said in a thread about Kurowon and Tomoyo, it's unlikely. Ninjas are all about being loyal to the people they protect. Maybe that's what Kuropon feels abou the hime.
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Sure I also think they will be a couple...but in what way...?!
Hmmm... I debated if I should let this thread stay, because we already have so many relationship type threads, but since we have a poll going...
I personally say they are already together, (remember everything we don't know about from Shurano when they were alone for six months?) And the way they act together, it could only be love. ^__^
HAHAHAHAHA What do you think they did??? But yeah you're right and Fye saied by himself that only Kurogane understood the language...so Fye needed him and wasn't able to go far away from him...XD
Yeah I think they will be!
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Look what i made! XD
This proves that Kurogane loves Fai, and only Fai! ^_^
(http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7310/tsugetoffme3dq.jpg)
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Wahhh how cute!
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yeah, it is isn't it?
i was going to post it in the KuroxFai topic, but i accidentally posted it here, and now i can't delete it anymore... it seems so odd to post it in two topics so.... ^^'
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Look what i made! XD
This proves that Kurogane loves Fai, and only Fai! ^_^
(http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7310/tsugetoffme3dq.jpg)
Ha ha, Meowzy, that made me laugh so hard I'm giving you a cookie! ((And don't worry that you didn't post it in the KuroFay thread, chances are, they'll come here, too! XD But then again, no one said you couldn't post it in both threads, so why not?))
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I voted for the first choice, of course! Looking at the drawings, manga and even anime clips, it's looking more and more likely all the time that this couple will become canon, especially as there are several similarities to YukixTouya and CLAMP aren't adverse to putting shonen-ai in their stories.
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Yeah! So many replies! (will not get mad at one who voted 'hell no'- will not get mad)
I really, really love the idea of comparing YukixToya to FaixKuro- YukixToya are tied with KuroxFai and KakeixSaiga as my favorite malexmale Clamp pairings (though WatanukixDoumeki is quickly joining the club).
And... Well, as to the shonen/shoujo question... People keep calling Tsubasa a shonen, but I really don't see it as a shonen. I see it as gender-amibugous. And, if you hadn't noticed, most of the fans on the Tsubasa part of the forum are girls. Having just read Tokyo Babylon two days ago, I will attest that it is definitely shoujo (EVERY true Clamp fan needs to read Tokyo Babylon), but I would call X/1999 more gender-ambiguous, like Tsubasa.
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Oh god, there's a "Don't know, don't care" vote, too!!! *cries* ((Not as bad as "hell, no", but it still makes Yuki cry...))
Anyway, I really doubt X could EVER be considered shounen... ever... Too many shounen-ai hints ((WAAAAY heavier than Tsubasa's hints... Have you seen the infamous scene in vol. 8 of X?)) But yes, I don't think Tsubasa seems very shounen, but it doesn't seem shoujo, either, so it could go either way. But not X, noooo not X... *huggles X*
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lsorry but i voted for HELL NO!!
cuz in anypart they mention to like each other, they r just friends, like sakura and tomoyo. And i think kurogano loves tomoyo, and fye is ONLY his friend, i can't imagine kissig or anything XP.
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Lol, don't worry, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. =3
Lol, I read vol 8 for X... but I forgot what was in there... darn my memory capacity. >_> Taking consideration into CLAMP's works so far, especially CCS, KF is always a possibility. :keke:
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How about this nice couple shot? ^___^
Canon? I don't think we have anything to wonder about.
(http://www.geocities.com/wheetwhoo/kurofaidvd.jpg)
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lsorry but i voted for HELL NO!!
cuz in anypart they mention to like each other, they r just friends, like sakura and tomoyo. And i think kurogano loves tomoyo, and fye is ONLY his friend, i can't imagine kissig or anything XP.
I could say the same thing only the other way around! XD XD I really don't think Kuro loves Tomoyo, if he did, he'd say he wants to return to Japan to be with her (which he's never even implied..), and I think the reason he wants to return (or at least as it seems in chapters 92-95) is because he protected that land with his mother and father and his lovely ninja posse, so naturally he'd be homesick (kind of like how he was attached to Ginryuu for the same reason). This is hard to convey in text, but do you guys know what I mean? He just seems like the kind of guy who wants to stay stable, he seems uncomfortable around things he finds unusual, (like spoons!!) and that he'd just rather stay home! XD
And to Arch-Lucifer, just flip through the last 10 pages... Where Kamui is pinned to the wall with glass? And how Fuu Fuu reacts to that? Then you'll know! XD
And to Sakaki: Ahhh, thank you.. I love that pic... *hugs screen*
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i haven't read the manga *but i think i have to*, but he hasn't say too that he likes Fye, never ....*vein #* well anyway this is not a fight and i don't think i could win :dodge: there are so many Fye&Kuro fans, the poll has only 2 votes to "HELL NO" one me and the other (who knows).
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You actually voted and haven't read the manga?
So, the vote of 'hell no' was just coming from the fact that you don't care
for shounen-ai.
I'm not trying to be rude, but I wouldn't vote in a poll if I didn't actually know the
characters, and hadn't read the manga. Kuro and Fai have many many scenes in the manga where you can see they have very strong feelings towards each other. CLAMP wouldn't ever have to actually show them do anything more than they already have, considering what they've shown so far is already overwhelmingly screaming, 'couple' and 'love.'
Yuki and Touya were never actually shown kissing, but as we all know, they are 'together.'
Fai and Kuro have been shown being much more physical with each other already then even Yuki and Touya. I could write out all the words Kuro and Fai have spoken to each other that have meaning, I could put up all the manga scans of Fai hugging Kuro and hanging on him, Kuro chasing him, and letting him hang on him... wow, that would take a really really long time now that I think about it. Hmmm... maybe I'll just stick to my list of 100 places Kuro and Fai can make out... maybe that deserves it's own thread, ne?? ^___^
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AS I SAID its not a fight and i don't think i could win with so many thiscouple fans ###
And i'm not against gays couples, (how can i, many of them are my best friends)
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Never say never!! It's totally possible! Sure, it's a bit non-CLAMP, but who knows! This could be a revolution!
And to he or she who has not read the manga -
You cannot full understand the awesomeness of TRC without reading the manga! Heck, you can't even call it trc without reading the manga... sheesh.
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You actually voted and haven't read the manga?
So, the vote of 'hell no' was just coming from the fact that you don't care
for shounen-ai.
I'm not trying to be rude, but I wouldn't vote in a poll if I didn't actually know the
characters, and hadn't read the manga. Kuro and Fai have many many scenes in the manga where you can see they have very strong feelings towards each other. CLAMP wouldn't ever have to actually show them do anything more than they already have, considering what they've shown so far is already overwhelmingly screaming, 'couple' and 'love.'
Yuki and Touya were never actually shown kissing, but as we all know, they are 'together.'
Fai and Kuro have been shown being much more physical with each other already then even Yuki and Touya. I could write out all the words Kuro and Fai have spoken to each other that have meaning, I could put up all the manga scans of Fai hugging Kuro and hanging on him, Kuro chasing him, and letting him hang on him... wow, that would take a really really long time now that I think about it. Hmmm... maybe I'll just stick to my list of 100 places Kuro and Fai can make out... maybe that deserves it's own thread, ne?? ^___^
Agreed, Sakaki-san! Besides, CLAMP has NEVER had two characters flat out say they love each other (usually it's something like the "someone special just for me" speech). So even if Fay and Kuro are (or later become) in love, I'm sure they won't say a thing. Touya and Yuki never did, and no one can deny THEIR feelings for one another.
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it was me suu_no_clover !!! i don't like reading i dont like manga. #
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it was me!!! i don't like reading i dont like manga.
You don't like MANGA?! Oh my gosh... I mean, that's OK, I have no problem with that, it just amazes me because I can't LIVE without manga... O.o...
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Really? Hmm, I suppose the anime is great in its own way. I just love the manga. I never go on long trips without taking the most recent volume with me. I have... attatchment issues... :sweatdrop:
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Really? Hmm, I suppose the anime is great in its own way. I just love the manga. I never go on long trips without taking the most recent volume with me. I have... attatchment issues... :sweatdrop:
OMG, me, too! I once brought three volumes with me and I was only gone for a week! XD
Wow, this is the first time I've gone off-topic on a thread about Kuro and Fay! Usually I'm off topic because I'm talking about them on threads that AREN'T about them! Heh heh!
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i voted for the first option :)
i know that there are not many scenes in the anime where they show their love feelings there are only a few, but in the manga u can see that they really love each other and is so sweet :)
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I voted the second option. I think they have to be a couple in the end, but I don't think it should be shown kisses or things like that. Clamp is right to be this way, it's like let us imagine this. It would be lovely to see Fye putting smiles of Kuro's face!
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Yaaay, 2 more positive KF votes!! *dances like Fai in that rabbit world*
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Yeah! I'm so happy that this thread is so wonderful! And I'm definitely glad that this didn't turn into a fight...
Anywho... I just finished a MASSIVE paper, so I'm in English-teacher mode. And I thought I'd add my two cents in, as to why I think KuroxFai will become an official couple.
First, as we've talked about recently on the KuroxFai Love thread, these two are shown together in Clamp's artwork a lot. And they are very close to each other physically in these pictures. Plus, as has been mentioned before in this thread, the manga has many pictures of Fai hanging on/off Kurogane and touching Kurogane in ways that Yuki and Touya (teh cutest couple ever besides KuroxFai) never were shown doing.
Plus, the way that Fai teases Kurogane is not the same way that friends and family tease each other. Friends and family generally tease each other by trading insults, like Touya calling Sakura 'monster.' That type of teasing is supposed to reinforce the relationship. It says, "we're close to each other, so it's alright if I say these things about you. We trust each other."
Fai's teasing of Kurogane, however, says, "HEY! I think you're pretty sexy and cute and all-out amazing. I think I'm pretty cute, too, so will you pay attention to me?" That kind of teasing is called -flirting-.
To get into some literary analysis (yes, literary analysis of manga), these two are very often isolated from others and forced to be together in several ways. In Shurano and Sharano, when the group was split, it was split Syaoran and Sakura, Fai and Kurogane. They were literally isolated from others they knew.
In a relationship sense, too, they are isolated. Fai and Kurogane are the two of the original characters in the series- every other major character they have run into has been a crossover or a person that would never be a romantic interest. The crossovers almost always have their own romantic interests and histories to deal with. Fai and Kurogane have no one else with whom they could have a romantic relationship.
Ashura is a possible former lover of Fai's, but I hardly think that they'll be getting back together after Ashura awakens, considering that Fai (a)froze him and (b)is scared shitless of him. I don't think Fai and Chi will have a romantic relationship, because Chi seems too childlike and naive. Plus, Chi and Hideki were together in Chobits, and in all the crossovers Clamp has done in Tsubasa, it has yet to break up a canon couple in one world or series to stick them with someone else in another world. If Chi ends up with anyone, it would be with a different version of Hideki.
As for Kurogane, I read the relationship between Tomoyo and Kurogane as a brother/sister relationship, not a romantic one. Besides, as I said before, I claim Tomoyo as a fellow lesbian and I refuse to let her go. :tongue3: KuroxSouma won't be happening, because Souma is in love with Kendappa.
That leaves the two of them alone, with no possible romantic relationships, partnered together.
Plus, they are opposites, and Clamp loves to make those 'opposites-attract' relationships.
Also, I want to say a bit about the infamous aliases of Outo. Fai, rather than coming up with four completely different nicknames reflecting their four completely different personalities, purposely came up with 'Big Kitty,' 'Little Kitty,' 'Big Doggie,' and 'Little Doggie.' These four names are all opposites and paralells: Dog and Cat, Big and Little. Fai, by choosing these names, purposely compares him and Kurogane to Sakura and Syaoran. He is basically saying that, not only are Kurogane and Syaoran similiar and he and Sakura similar, but that, Fai is to Kurogane as Sakura is to Syaoran. If that's not romantic subtlety, I don't know what is.
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wow! just.... wow....
Hear ye, all ye unbelievers! read the above post and be forced to join us!
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LadyUltima.
I love you.
You are married to my dear sister hoshisenshi, and with that, I ask you.. *gets down on one knee* Will you be my forum sister-in-law?
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Yes! I'd love to! Yeah, more forum family! :hello2:
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Yes! I'd love to! Yeah, more forum family! :hello2:
Yaaay! *glomps* GOD your post was so awesome! Even though we only sticky threads, that post was so amazing it needs to be stickied all by its onezies.. So does Pikari's post in the KT thread! Those were two AMAZING posts...
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Why, thank you. I guess good things can come of six-page English papers.
You know, I started this as a poll... And I keep posting here...
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Gah, I love you, my wife!! X3 *glomp* I love your post, and all the recent posts in defense of my favorite couple of all time. It really cheers me up. *tears of joy*
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Hi I'm new and a little nervous but I voted for the last one because even though I love KuroxFai to bits I just can't see it going beyond a few hints (I'm such a pessimist) Of course, when I say hints it could be from the really subtle to the in-your-face kind of hints that only twelve-year-old school boys fail to see.
I've got a little and horribly drawn KuroxFai fanart also. I'm not sure where to post it though (I'm so sorry! I'm such a noob!). I would guess the official KuroxFai thread but you've got such a lovely list of make-out places that I don't want to interrupt it. Maybe I'll just wait.
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Of course, when I say hints it could be from the really subtle to the in-your-face kind of hints that only twelve-year-old school boys fail to see.
Either of those imply canon to me. I mean Touya and Yuki are canon, but they
have never even showed the kind of affection that Fai and Kuro were showing Way back...
Fai and Kuro are so 'in your face' canon already... that's why I voted "they are already making sweet sweet love..." Because I believe they've been alone so so many times already in the manga, you just know they have to have been up to something... ^___^ Lol, either they have, or Kuro is so majorly frustrated at this point... :lol: hmmm... I don't know, I'm thinking he looked pretty relaxed in some of those manga panels in Shurano after they've been isolated alone together for those months. And isn't that a smug look there on Fai's face? Heh, yeah, I think so... ^___^
CLAMP has those secret chapters, written and drawn for their own intertainment... I say we go raid their homes and search until we find them! *goes to get a passport*
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Hi I'm new and a little nervous but I voted for the last one because even though I love KuroxFai to bits I just can't see it going beyond a few hints (I'm such a pessimist) Of course, when I say hints it could be from the really subtle to the in-your-face kind of hints that only twelve-year-old school boys fail to see.
I've got a little and horribly drawn KuroxFai fanart also. I'm not sure where to post it though (I'm so sorry! I'm such a noob!). I would guess the official KuroxFai thread but you've got such a lovely list of make-out places that I don't want to interrupt it. Maybe I'll just wait.
Lol! I looove your avatar!
Well, though i must say that the anime lacks them, the manga does indeed show a few hints. Like in Pfiffle country, when Kurogane's car crashed and Fai left to check up on him! he said the cutest thing... i can't really remember... but that was a really nice hint! ^_^
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Hi I'm new and a little nervous but I voted for the last one because even though I love KuroxFai to bits I just can't see it going beyond a few hints (I'm such a pessimist) Of course, when I say hints it could be from the really subtle to the in-your-face kind of hints that only twelve-year-old school boys fail to see.
I've got a little and horribly drawn KuroxFai fanart also. I'm not sure where to post it though (I'm so sorry! I'm such a noob!). I would guess the official KuroxFai thread but you've got such a lovely list of make-out places that I don't want to interrupt it. Maybe I'll just wait.
Oh oh, you can post your fanart on the official KF thread! You can also make your own fanart thread if you draw often! I wanna see it..
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Where Kamui is pinned to the wall with glass? And how Fuu Fuu reacts to that? Then you'll know! XD
No no, Fuuma likes frogs, not Kamui
(http://www.bishounen.net/frog/frog_fuuma.jpg)
(bigger version) (http://www.bishounen.net/frog/frog_fuuma.jpg)
I love that picture... :rotfl:
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No no, Fuuma likes frogs, not Kamui
(http://www.bishounen.net/frog/frog_fuuma.jpg)
(bigger version) (http://www.bishounen.net/frog/frog_fuuma.jpg)
I love that picture... :rotfl:
OMG Tessaiga you know of the frog?!?! I LOVED that site a few years ago but it's never been updated! *sniff* Heh heh, lucky for ME, however, that was actually Kamui-chan in that pic! XD I loved that scene... (The real one, obviously...) The pairings Fuuma + Kamui and Seishirou + Subaru fuel my soul....
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Holy... That is so funny! X3 It makes me want to see what the real picture looks like! Gah, I should've looked at the volume while I was at Barnes and Nobles today! >.<
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Holy... That is so funny! X3 It makes me want to see what the real picture looks like! Gah, I should've looked at the volume while I was at Barnes and Nobles today! >.<
Yeah, you should have!!! It's great!!! XD XD Fuu Fuu is licking the tears off of Kamui-chan's face!!!!!! *fangirl squeal*
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sorry people i voted hell no
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Yeah, you should have!!! It's great!!! XD XD Fuu Fuu is licking the tears off of Kamui-chan's face!!!!!! *fangirl squeal*
X3!!! <3<3<3 Yeah, I saw tongue and I thought... "I've got to see this, I've got to see this..."
Lol, I'm so... weird! XD
And a few of those results up there make me sad. Very sad, indeed.
sorry people i voted hell no
It's okay, all is forgiven. ^^
Any chance that we could brainwash you? Ehehe..heh... -_- I guess not. But it was worth a try, ne?
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X3!!! <3<3<3 Yeah, I saw tongue and I thought... "I've got to see this, I've got to see this..."
Lol, I'm so... weird! XD
And a few of those results up there make me sad. Very sad, indeed.
Don't worry, it's not weird... Volume 8 also has some tongue thing goin' on, but I'm sure you've heard of it... (Or maybe I posted something random about it and you saw... Heh heh...)
And DANG I didn't even look at the results until you said that and now that I looked, I'm sad, too... *sniff* Darn it, I already posted in the "worst part of your day thread"!! This moment needs to go there instead of what I posted!!!
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And DANG I didn't even look at the results until you said that and now that I looked, I'm sad, too... *sniff* Darn it, I already posted in the "worst part of your day thread"!! This moment needs to go there instead of what I posted!!!
Heh, those votes would be the same even if they showed Kuro and Fai 'doing it' in a two page spread. It's just that some people don't like yaoi, and that influences their vote. Oh, that reminds me of the lovely picture I have of Kuro and Fai doing what I just mentioned... ^_____^
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Heh, those votes would be the same even if they showed Kuro and Fai 'doing it' in a two page spread. It's just that some people don't like yaoi, and that influences their vote. Oh, that reminds me of the lovely picture I have of Kuro and Fai doing what I just mentioned... ^_____^
Darn it, I had a witty reply to this but you said "Kuro and Fai doing it in a two page spread" and now I'm distracting! *spaces out thinking about it* And are you talking about the pic I drew or a GOOD pic? LOL Cuz if it's a different one I wanna see it! XD But if it's mine I REALLY need to find a way to get my com to let me color that flippin' thing.... *vein*
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Darn it, I had a witty reply to this but you said "Kuro and Fai doing it in a two page spread" and now I'm distracting! *spaces out thinking about it* And are you talking about the pic I drew or a GOOD pic? LOL Cuz if it's a different one I wanna see it! XD But if it's mine I REALLY need to find a way to get my com to let me color that flippin' thing.... *vein*
Yuki-chan... you drew...a....Kuro........Fai.......pictu re of them..... and Sakaki....has a two page spread of..... *small hyper fangirl keels over clutching heart and pinching nose to prevent nosebleed* @_@ They sound beautiful..
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And are you talking about the pic I drew or a GOOD pic? LOL Cuz if it's a different one I wanna see it! XD But if it's mine I REALLY need to find a way to get my com to let me color that flippin' thing.... *vein*
Hee, I LOVE the one you drew me!! Hmm... I think you should put it up on the KuroxFai thread!! And I have another one too... um a little more revealing.
And so very very nice... Let me ask permission, and I will pm you. ^__~
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Yuki-chan... you drew...a....Kuro........Fai.......pictu re of them..... and Sakaki....has a two page spread of..... *small hyper fangirl keels over clutching heart and pinching nose to prevent nosebleed* @_@ They sound beautiful..
More like "getting ready to do it".... XD It's nothin' special, trust me... If YOU drew it it'd be about 150,000 times better! And I can't color it, so it's just line art.... ((My com locks up when I load photoshop, and I dunno why... But even if it didn't, I'm not too good with photoshop!))
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OMG Tessaiga you know of the frog?!?! I LOVED that site a few years ago but it's never been updated! *sniff* Heh heh, lucky for ME, however, that was actually Kamui-chan in that pic! XD I loved that scene... (The real one, obviously...)
I havn't read vol8 of X, just seen the whole anime. :sweatdrop: But anyway, still love that frog! :rotfl:
(even if it's just fanmade. Very good job! That webpage has lots of other nice frog pics too)
The pairings Fuuma + Kamui and Seishirou + Subaru fuel my soul....
Um... I better not say anything about that, considering what happened to me in the yaoi/shounen-ai thread...
And that's the only time I ever seriously thought about leaving CapturedWings... :cry:
BUT NOW! I'm getting this thread off-topic. :heh: Sorry, everyone! It's not about X, but KuroxFai!
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I've talked about this with a couple people, but it's really interesting how Kuro seems to have
a pretty strong dislike for women. He doesn't want to have anything at all to do with
them. He seems to sit back and let the others talk whenever it's with a woman, and he looks hostile,
like females are a waste of his time.
And now we know why he was really reading those manga. XD
Anyone notice the ninja in Kuro's stories looks blonde? And he has bangs
that hang down in his eyes... and a goofy grin?
Hmm... maybe we should talk about this on the KuroxFai thread...
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Blond? With goofy grin? xD
Let's definitely bring this up on KuroxFai thread. More proof! We must rally the troops!
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My thoughts:
Well, they are little bit cute couple but still.... Kurogane is mine! Moahahahahaa ;P
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Blond? With goofy grin? xD
Let's definitely bring this up on KuroxFai thread. More proof! We must rally the troops!
*salutes* Here's one of the members of the troops! XD *marches to the official KF thread to see if the ninja's been mentioned yet*
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ahhaha.. well i seem to notice that there are a lot of kuroxfai fans out there... so i'll just say this once.. and i won't explain anything.. *prepares to run away*.. i chose HELL NO!! *runs away from kuroxfai fans..* honestly.. this world has turned around.. guyxguy.. girlxgirl.. i'ld like to keep it straight!! girlxguy.. guyxgirl.. ^_^
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I think the idea of this poll has been totally lost.
The question is Not "Do you Want them to be..."
The question is "Will they be..."
It was never an opinion question of liking yaoi, which I believe it has become for
many people who seem to be voting just because they don't like same sex pairings.
And there is even at least one vote from someone who has never read the manga!
Ah... what to do?
I don't think the question is being understood and that has made some of those negative
votes pretty screwed up. And considering what Kuro and Fai did all that time in Shurano, I'm not sure how anyone could have voted any other way besides yes, even if they hate yaoi.
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this world has turned around.. guyxguy.. girlxgirl.. i'ld like to keep it straight!! girlxguy.. guyxgirl.. ^_^
Lol, actually... no offense, but the world has never been straight.
I believe it curves, like many people. ^_~
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Real women have curves. That's what they say, isn't it? :D
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Amen, My Sistah! Real women do have curves!
And, yes, I think this has gotten too much to be a question of 'do you like yaoi or not?' instead of what I meant it to be. I really, really don't want this thread locked, so I think people should be a bit more careful.
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uh.. well i'm sorry for misunderstanding the question.. hehe.. ^_^;; and i'm sorry if i caused anything in here.. i'll just.. walk away slowly.. *tip toes away*
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Right, I was thinking about this today, and I think it's a decent enough theory, so apologies in advance if you, much brainier people than I, figured out this already!
We all know that one of Mokona's secret abilities is to detect emotions, right? So maybe we over-looked a _very_ big Fye/Kuro clue in vol.4 in favour of one of Mokona's other abilities, his ability to mimick voices!
Crowd: *gasp*
That's right people! So in that infamous scene where Fye asks "do you want me to hold your hand?" and before Kuro has a chance to kill him, Mokona says "Kurogane is very happy!", maybe he's not just saying it to imitate Kuro, maybe he can sense that Kuro actually is happy...deep, deep down.
I know, stupid theory, but it made me squeal in Maths class, so it ain't all bad!
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hey, that sounds pretty damn cool!
Mokona: Kurogane is happy!
Kurogane: No i'm not! he's lying! O_O
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We all know that one of Mokona's secret abilities is to detect emotions, right? So maybe we over-looked a _very_ big Fye/Kuro clue in vol.4 in favour of one of Mokona's other abilities, his ability to mimick voices!
Crowd: *gasp*
That's right people! So in that infamous scene where Fye asks "do you want me to hold your hand?" and before Kuro has a chance to kill him, Mokona says "Kurogane is very happy!", maybe he's not just saying it to imitate Kuro, maybe he can sense that Kuro actually is happy...deep, deep down.
I know, stupid theory, but it made me squeal in Maths class, so it ain't all bad!
Not stupid at all, Quimmy! And I totally agree. Mokona does have the ability
to feel their emotions, and I think he was helping poor shy Kuro to express his.
^___^
And I'm still trying to figure out what to do about the votes that were placed
by people who misunderstood the question. I know at least three negatives
are false votes.
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Qummiy dearest, your theory is fantastic! And so adorable! Squee!
IS there anything we can do about the votes, short of re-starting the whole thread?
Ahh... yes... I still keep thinking about the saying "real women have curves." I love that saying, not only because it's true, but because it always makes me daydream about curvaceous, beautiful women... (drool... )
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IS there anything we can do about the votes, short of re-starting the whole thread?
Hmm, the only thing I can think of really is that we could make it so people could change their votes.
That would enable those who voted wrong because they misunderstood the question to come back and change their vote to something else, or they could just remove their vote completely if they wish.
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Why do you want to restart voting, people are telling you their opinion which is different then yours ! You asked people what do they think and you see the results. I think they are only good friends nothing more, you do not have best friends? So please let the people tell you their opinion!
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Why do you want to restart voting, people are telling you their opinion which is different then yours ! You asked people what do they think and you see the results. I think they are only good friends nothing more, you do not have best friends? So please let the people tell you their opinion!
The problem is not with opinions, it's with not understanding the question.
One person said that they did not understand the question when they voted, and
another admitted they had not even read the manga.
Then another admitted to hating shounen-ai.
The question is not: Do You Want them to be Canon. People have said that they thought
the question was: do you want them to be, or do you think they should be canon.
That was never the question.
That is why the votes are not right.
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Just to reinforce what Sakaki said, I have no problem with people's opinions. Despite the rumors to the contrary, we Kuro/Fai fangirls do not eat Kuro/Tomoyo fangirls for breakfast. The problem is with people's misunderstanding. I would be satisfied with the results, whatever they were, if the voting were accurate to what the question was supposed to be.
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I voted for the last option, but for this reason;
CLAMP very rarely actually show their couples get together. Mostly it's just insinuated and the fans have to guess. I don't think the fact that it's a shounen magazine has anything to do with anything - there's already been a shounen-ai couple in the manga.
I think that it's likely that they are together; as far as I can see, someone arranged for them to spend six months together alone, and for a reason. I doubt we'll ever find out... But good golly, good gosh I hope we do :keke:
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I voted for the first. Only because it's true. :keke: But I do doubt it'll happen... it may... After all. It does look like Touya and Yuki are together again. Not offical in this one. But you know. If they did it in CC they can do it here.
The CLAMP girls do have a small thing for shonen ai. Or so I've read.
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I voted for the first. Only because it's true. :keke: But I do doubt it'll happen... it may... After all. It does look like Touya and Yuki are together again. Not offical in this one. But you know. If they did it in CC they can do it here.
The CLAMP girls do have a small thing for shonen ai. Or so I've read.
YOU. *points* I love your avi and your sig. I LOVE it, I do. I like your username, too.
*cough* Excuse my off-topicness... But we all know my feelings towards KF so why do I have to post 'em? XD
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Thank you. I changed them. Lol... I'm picky. I'm glad I can use larger avvies here. Anyway. Sorry, off topic. But I had to say thank you.
There is deff some secret-love-affiar-thing going on between those two. As a fangirl I know a couple when I see one.
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Yeah, there's definitely something...and since Tomoyo's barely in the whole thing, its so much easier to believe in a Kuro/Fai coupling. But I really will read almost any pairing involving the two of them...
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I don't favor het that much. Unless the couple is too cute. But I think of the Tomoyo/Kuro ship as more of a brother/sister thing. Kurogane looks better with Fai. But anyone would look better with Fai.
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Like...like...Syaoran and Sakura are cute? Or are you strange like mah aunt pretty and like things like fai/syao?
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Fai/Syao...hmmm, interesting, though if you do pair Syaoran with someone other than Sakura I think Kurogane would be a better choice.
Ah! What am I saying? I'm a Kuro/Fai fangirl through and through. Must...not...let...faith..waver!
Oh, and I was always curious about one thing. What do you guys consider to be canon? I mean, to me, for a couple to be 'official' there has to be a kiss or some sort of love declaration but I guess I might be overlly stingy.
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Well, Touya/Yuki is considered canon, but they are never actually shown confessing to each other, much less kissing. To me, to be canon there has to be some kind of confession. I guess I would count Touya/Yuki's confession scene as when Yuki tells Sakura that he's in love with Touya. And Touya's confession scene, I guess, would be when he gives up his power to Yue. I mean, CLAMP takes confessing your love seriously; if they take the time to actually show someone confessing, you know it's serious.
And to make it even more confusing, there are... different types of canon. There's canon unrequited-crush/love/obsession, such as Sakura/Yukito (though she gets over that) and Bols/Kazuhiko from Clover, and there's canon they're-getting-married/living-together-for-the-rest-of-their-lives.
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Yeah. Though some cannon can stink. *coughremustonkscough* I just ignore cannon and go with what I like. Though when a couple I love is cannon it's wonderful. Touya/Yuki. Kuro/Fai. Eh hehe.
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I'm a canonslut. I almost always go with canon. I've always been a pretty big Remus/Sirius shipper, so I was disappointed when Remus/Tonks became canon, but I really do like Remus/Tonks, so I go with it. One exception is in CLAMP Campus Detectives; technically Suoh/Nagisa is canon, but I hate Suoh/Nagisa. Nagisa has no personality, no depth whatsoever. She's boring. Plus, I could never actually see Nokoru with anyone else except Suoh, and I can't leave Nokoru all by himself. I always do Suoh/Nokoru.
The whole canon thing is why I always look for evidence for KuroxFai; it just has to be canon, or at least no other pairing that would contradict KuroxFai can become canon, or I really won't be happy. I just like the feeling of having the canon supporting me; I'm not one of the shippers who can and will do any ship they feel like. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not me. Gah, listen to me. We're kinda getting off topic, too. (sweatdrop)
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I just hate it when the maker of a series says they won't pair people up and then they go ahead and do it! :angry: :angry: :angry: *someone pours water over her head* ....... sorry. HBP has really got my angry. I'm a Sirius/Remus die-hard fangirl and I will not stand for the Remus/Tonks shipping.
.... but! Back on topic. ^^ Some canon is good and some isn't. I guess I just hate het. Appart from like... Syaoran/Sakura and a few others. I can't stand the Boy meets Girl rubbish. It's SO over done. How about some nice Boy meets Boy?
There is enough suss scenes with Kuro and Fai for us to think it may be canon. I'd like to think it will be.
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I'm a canonslut. I almost always go with canon. I've always been a pretty big Remus/Sirius shipper, so I was disappointed when Remus/Tonks became canon, but I really do like Remus/Tonks, so I go with it. One exception is in CLAMP Campus Detectives; technically Suoh/Nagisa is canon, but I hate Suoh/Nagisa. Nagisa has no personality, no depth whatsoever. She's boring. Plus, I could never actually see Nokoru with anyone else except Suoh, and I can't leave Nokoru all by himself. I always do Suoh/Nokoru.
The whole canon thing is why I always look for evidence for KuroxFai; it just has to be canon, or at least no other pairing that would contradict KuroxFai can become canon, or I really won't be happy. I just like the feeling of having the canon supporting me; I'm not one of the shippers who can and will do any ship they feel like. Nothing wrong with that, it's just not me. Gah, listen to me. We're kinda getting off topic, too. (sweatdrop)
Exactly the way I am. I am such a canon person, even when I don't like one half of the coupling. My friends hated Kagome and I was like, "But I love Ka/Inu! What's your problem!?" Yeah, canon is my life. I can't read strange things like Sakura/...ah, what the heck, Yamazaki without feeling weirded out and wondering why I was even here. It just HAS to be Syao/Sak, or Fai/Kuro, or something along the lines of my normal.
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I just hate it when die hard canon supporters say anything not canon is wired and wrong. :shifty: I like Fanon. Fanon rocks. The only way to write and read fanfiction.
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(LOL) Actually, Remus/Tonks was/is the only possible ship, I think, that wouldn't/doesn't really piss me off for destroying Remus/Sirius. If Remus had been set up with anybody else, I -really- wouldn't have liked it. I still read and enjoy greatly all the good Remus/Sirius shipping out there. And I understand what you mean about the world needing some good boy/boy and girl/girl and how girl/boy sometimes can get really boring, but girl/boy can be extremely interesting as well. I don't ship boy/boy or girl/girl just for the sake of shipping boy/boy or girl/girl, anymore than I ship girl/boy for the sake of shipping girl/boy. It all has to make sense. Anywho. To each his own. And KuroxFai forever!
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Cheers to that!
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I see where you are coming from. I don't like boy/boy just cause it's two guys. Some ships stink or the story is boring. But The Remus/Tonks thing got my goat. I don't like Tonks. She's annoying as and so is Ginny! I must kill them. I can't stand to Remus with anyone but Sirius. Or me XDDD. The only girl would be Lily. But I'm going to stop talking about that, cause it gets me too... miffed.
I think that should be a question we should ask CLAMP. "Is there ANY possible chance that Kurogane and Fai will get together? PLEASE!!! *big puppy dog eyes*"
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I know a lot of people don't like Tonks. I don't really know why, I think she's a great character. And I like Ginny, too. (And yes, I mean in -that- way. Ginny's a teenager now, so I don't feel like a pedophile, either.) And I've never liked shipping Lily or James with anyone but each other. It just doesn't feel right to me. I love Lily/James.
And whether KuroxFai is meant to be canon is definitely a question I'd want to ask, if I could tie CLAMP down and make them answer my questions. Another would definitely be about to what extent Suoh/Nokoru is a canon ship, because there are some fairly strong hints in that direction. We should all just head to Japan and kidnap CLAMP.
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Lol, you sound like me with Harry. He's of age now so i don't have to feel like a perv. I just hate Ginny. She's so stuck up and... *sulks in a corner*
I'll buy us some plane tickets. Lol.
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I've never cared for HP pairings, so in all my insolence, I will put this thread back on-topic. :wink:
I voted 'maye', but when thinking back I'd say the last option would have been the better one to choose. I do think they will be a couple, but that the 'confession' will be so carefully hidden it'll leave people the choice of ignoring it, kinda like Touya/Yukito but even without even one of them declaring their love for the other one.
I'd say we'll never get more of a clue other than the two of them calling each other by name (but that'll be proof enough, ne?).
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Too true. If they do become a couple. Which IS possible. We'll probably won't get clued in very much. Unless you have a keen eye. Like for Touya and Yuki.
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Ah, I see, thanks for explaining LadyUltima! I never thought about the unrequited love canon thing.
I agree that all KuroFai-ness will be (or is) very subtle. It leaves me wanting more, though I think that it would be pretty cute if they do end up calling each other by their first names without the honorific. (I wonder how that'll come about)
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I agree that all KuroFai-ness will be (or is) very subtle. It leaves me wanting more, though I think that it would be pretty cute if they do end up calling each other by their first names without the honorific. (I wonder how that'll come about)
Kyaaa! I would LOVE that soooo much!!! I bet Kuro would do it by accident, too! He'd be getting his usual teasing and all of a sudden he'd be like:
Kuro: D*mn it, Fai!!!!
Fai: O.O *stares at Kuro* Wh-what?
Kuro: I-I mean... D*mn it, mage!
Fai: Awwe, Kuro-mune, it's too late to cover it up, now!! It's out there, just accept it! XD
Kuro: *vein vein*
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I think it'll definetly be canon eventually. But I think it'll be very Cardcaptor-esque sort of confession. I'm thinking Touya/Yukito. But I also could see it being a love confession to each other as Fai and Kurogane are totally defferent from Yukito/Touya and in a toatlly different situation. So there's every possibililty that they could confess it to each other.
Although I do like the idea of the all knowing Tomoyo-hime telling Kurogane. Breaking the news to him gently. :tongue: Or being very teasing about it like with Syaoran in CCS. "Oh ho ho ho!" That was scary...
As for the name thing, I can see CLAMP making a very fluffy but subtle deal out of it. I think Fai will be upset about something and Kurogane will be surprised and then he'll say his name. Or something like that.
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I love the idea of Tomoyo intervening! I can just imagine a scene like CCS with Tomoyo trying to convince Kuro to tell Fye, but Kuro doesn't want to because he has to stay in Japan and he doesn't want Fye to risk staying with him where Ashura can find him.
"You're so nice Kurogane."
Kuro: *snorts, looks away and blushes*
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Ahem...
*charges around the forum pointing at Chapter 112*
Oh come on CLAMP!!! PLEASE?!?! It's...its just THERE ;_________________________;
..Uh..yeah. I wanted to click 1 and 5 at the same time, but sadly that isn't allowed so I went for 1.
*pouts at CLAMP* Please? Pretty please?
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I'm not sure, if it is correct, to post it here, but have anyone noticed Kuroganes and Fyes Kudans near the end of episode 6 "Uncried Tears" when shaolan is standing in the rain? :inlove:
In the Manga, this picture is the same way, between the kudans ^^ ( Volume 2 )
Thanks to envyofthestage and Kirtai for answer me, what canon means..now I can say, I think,they are..uaha..^-^
It seems, the kudan would protect shaolan too...but they are so close together
I mean...could it be a sign for canon?
I hope...you understand, what I mean.. ^^
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Yeah, I've always loved that scene too, but it looks more like Kurogane and Fai are protecting Syaoran, watching over him rather than it being a show of KuroxFai canon.
But I do love that picture...
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I chose 'Sure, it'd be sweet' instead of 'Maybe' because I'm pretty sure it's not just a maybe with those two. I believe CLAMP will make it a CANON relationship, just not mushy like Touya and Yukito in CCS. Anyway, we don't expect any wedding bells and kids here now do we? :) Maybe a bit of a gentle smile (for once) from Kuro-chan and
a confused but almost unbelieving look from Fai is enough? Gaah! I wanna draw that one now! :hello2: tihihihi! ara? :( ahem...right. :shifty:
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after reading this cute snugly-in bed scene in a fanfic, i vote 2...(im also sure that by now, atleast 75% of ths who voted 'hell no' have changed their minds...i used to be anti, but after reading the manga for the first time a couple months ago, i could not deny it. :sweatdrop:
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Bwahaha, no one can deny it :haha:
I voted 'Sure, it'd be sweet' because I'm a total pessimist when it comes to pairings I like, and so I won't allow myself to get my hopes raised until it's made canon officially. At which point I won't have to hope because it'll be canon. :heh: Although, honestly, it's practically there. Chapter 112 made me so happy.
Even if they don't get together, I don't think they'll be paired up with anyone else. So it's KuroFai or nothing for me.
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I voted the first one, beacuse mainly, I can't imagine them with anyone else. I believe that the only reason that they wouldn't end up together was if either one of them died, which I hope doesn't happen. *hugs her pretend Fai and Kuro plushies in a form of comfort.*
I mean, it's the least CLAMP can do for teasing us fans so much. *pouts*
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Come to think of it anyway...most pictures feature only Fai and Kurogane with some random characters. Isn't that to point out something like Hakkai and Gojyo from saiyuki? totally randome question, wish someone would answer it
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Hnn, well I think it's a pretty big hint in itself that Tomoyo kicked Kuro out of the country to find 'true strength'. Probably, in her girly-romancy mind, true strength is fighting for those who love you and being in contact with your feelings and whatnot. She probably could dream about Kuro meeting Fai. XD;;; (Or maybe she meant it in a friends-way... I don't think CLAMP is so nice to make it canon xD)
That being said- I don't particularly think Kuro is in love with Tomo. I think it's more the whole being kicked out of his world that pisses him off. Although he does have a -lot- of affection for her. >_>
But like someone else said- I don't think it'd be canon, it'll just keep being hinted at to make fangirls happy. XP
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Hnn, well I think it's a pretty big hint in itself that Tomoyo kicked Kuro out of the country to find 'true strength'. Probably, in her girly-romancy mind, true strength is fighting for those who love you and being in contact with your feelings and whatnot. She probably could dream about Kuro meeting Fai. XD;;; (Or maybe she meant it in a friends-way... I don't think CLAMP is so nice to make it canon xD)
That being said- I don't particularly think Kuro is in love with Tomo. I think it's more the whole being kicked out of his world that pisses him off. Although he does have a -lot- of affection for her. >_>
But like someone else said- I don't think it'd be canon, it'll just keep being hinted at to make fangirls happy. XP
but eventualy all that simple hinting, adding up to NEAR cannonens (IE chappy 112) we'd want the truth, ne?
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Also, does anyone else think that after going through this whole journey and growing so much, it would be rather anti-climactic if Kuro just went back to Japan and married Tomoyo?
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Also, does anyone else think that after going through this whole journey and growing so much, it would be rather anti-climactic if Kuro just went back to Japan and married Tomoyo?
I can't picture Tomoyo getting married to anyone, much less Kuro, hahaha. If she married anyone, it would probably be a woman ;)
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Also, does anyone else think that after going through this whole journey and growing so much, it would be rather anti-climactic if Kuro just went back to Japan and married Tomoyo?
Yes! Even if they're the same age (around the same age...), it still looks REALLY weird. XD; I'm guessing CLAMP was hinting something about Kuro looking like his dad, and his dad having married someone like Tomoyo (looked like Tomoyo, the same position as Tomoyo), but maybe Kuro was clinging to that and Tomoyo noticed so she kicked him out.
Tomoyo is just not the marrying type.. she's the eternal side character, I'm afraid. XD
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If clamp did make a couple of of Tomoyo and Kurogane then it'd make the fans go straight out and murder them. Plus, if they made K/T canon it would totally go against the CCS tomoyo who turned out single till the end. So I couldn't just see that happening. Probably Kurogane only sees Tomoyo as a younger sister. He definately doesn't treat her like a lover (and we know how much Kurogane cares for her) to the extent of calling her "*****" haha.
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Yes! Even if they're the same age (around the same age...), it still looks REALLY weird. XD; I'm guessing CLAMP was hinting something about Kuro looking like his dad, and his dad having married someone like Tomoyo (looked like Tomoyo, the same position as Tomoyo), but maybe Kuro was clinging to that and Tomoyo noticed so she kicked him out.
Tomoyo is just not the marrying type.. she's the eternal side character, I'm afraid. XD
I think Tomoyo is more Syaoran and Sakura's age, so it'd be like Kurogane marrying Sakura D: ahaha WTF.
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I think Tomoyo is more Syaoran and Sakura's age, so it'd be like Kurogane marrying Sakura D: ahaha WTF.
Actually I -have- seen some fanfiction about that. >__> *disturbed* XD; Then again, I've also seen Fai/Syao. I personally don't see why CLAMP should take fans seriously if they come up with pairings like that XD;;;;
I think CLAMP will keep it to subtle hints that can be taken either way. xD;
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If clamp did make a couple of of Tomoyo and Kurogane then it'd make the fans go straight out and murder them.
Hear, hear. *waves little KuroFai flag*
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lsorry but i voted for HELL NO!!
cuz in anypart they mention to like each other, they r just friends, like sakura and tomoyo. And i think kurogano loves tomoyo, and fye is ONLY his friend, i can't imagine kissig or anything XP.
i'm soo agree with you! i like Kurogane and Tomoyo-Hime's relationship more! no matter how much i like the friendship between Kurogane and Fye, i think they just look soo fit with each other..that's all!! i like it when Fye teasing his name..etc...so cute...and For Kurogane the reason i really like about him is no matter how tough and stubborn he is, he still cares to the others! its just that he doesnt want to admit it!! so..i vote for the last one!!
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I voted for "Maybe" because (while I love the couple to death and I so want them to be official), I think CLAMP will just continue to make them walk right down the line between couple and friends so that it can be either way for fans. Like Touya and Yukito were. However, I can always hope.....or just read fanfiction. ^_^
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...Man, I really hope I don't sound rude here, I really don't want to sound rude...but I cannot for the life of me understand where KuroTomo pairing came from. I honestly and truthfully can't. The first thing that I - and my friend who wouldn't know slash hints even if they hit her in the face - spotted was the chemistry between Kurogane and Fai, and as we continued reading how it began to...well...explode really.
Tomoyo was in love with Sakura...why would CLAMP go and change her sexuality? And I really can't understand where the idea that Kurogane loves Tomoyo came from...I mean...Where was that ever shown? I can see he cares about her, but I believe it's in a respectful, almost brotherly way. I have never seen a hint for the Kurogane/Tomoyo pairing, and I'm all about spotting hints for any possible pairing.
But, yeah, the chemistry, obvious flirting and just the sheer brilliance of the two characters and their interactions is why I voted option one. XD
i can't imagine kissig or anything XP.
...Really? I can. Quite easily. *Fai!Smile*
The only people I can't imagine kissing are Kurogane and Tomoyo.
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...And Fai and Chi for that matter.
But don't even get me started on that pairing...
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kurotomo probably came from thie piffle world arch, how kuro acted around her, and that "alone time" they had, and also in the lecourt arc, how tomoyo was the only person able to calm kuro down after something devastating.
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I voted the first option. I hope it will be! I love KuroxFai. <3 It's my favorite airing in TRC besides for SyaoxSaku.
I would laugh if they found a Kurogane and Fai in another world who are lovers.
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I voted for the third option. I'm not really hoping for it to become canon (nothing against the pairing, it's just not one of my favorites), but I wouldn't die of shock if it did. They do have some very nice scenes (I'm partial to the one in the bar in Outo...). My feeling is that whether or not they end up as a couple, they will still have a very strong bond, and that's what matters.
I definitely prefer Kuro/Fai to Fai/Chii - I mean, he turned her into a shield. WHAT. Yeah, I'm feeling the love there, all right. Honestly, I think Fai sees Chii as a pet at most. Kuromoyo doesn't really bother me that much, but I can't imagine it actually happening. I don't think Tomoyo's sexuality would really be an issue - I've never thought of CLAMP characters as really having sexual orientation, as such. The feeling of CLAMPverse is that you love who you love and it doesn't matter what their gender/age/species/whatever is. Which I guess doesn't stop the characters from having certain preferences, but I don't think it's set in stone that because Tomoyo loved Sakura she can never love a man. With Kuromoyo it's just that I don't see that particular kind of dynamic with them.
...Honestly, I'm for Fai/Ashura-ou. :sweatdrop: Yay for sordid court affairs!
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Let us all take a moment to savor the joy that over 25% of the people who have responded to this poll have said that it would be a travesty for KuroFai not to get together., and almost 10% think they are already shagging each other. ^_^
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Sure, I would like them to get together. :) Kurogane and Fay have great interaction, and Kurogane is ALWAYS watching Fay, as much as Fay is watching Kurogane. If anything, Kurogane knows more about Fay than either Sakura or Syaoran do. Kurogane mostly acts and says that he doesn't give a hoot about Fay, but his actions obviously speak otherwise. *points to Chapter 112*
However, Clamp, being who they are, are not very likely to put them together as a canon pairing. Clamp likes to tease, but I hope in the end Kurogane and Fay, even if they're not a couple, can become best friends. :)
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I don't think Tomoyo's sexuality would really be an issue - I've never thought of CLAMP characters as really having sexual orientation, as such. The feeling of CLAMPverse is that you love who you love and it doesn't matter what their gender/age/species/whatever is. Which I guess doesn't stop the characters from having certain preferences, but I don't think it's set in stone that because Tomoyo loved Sakura she can never love a man. With Kuromoyo it's just that I don't see that particular kind of dynamic with them.
I think that is very true and one of the greatest things about CLAMP. Love and friendship "just is" with them, whether they are male, female, young, old, human, pets, angels, demons, etc.
Personally, I think Kurogane bonded with Tomoyo after certain events. I feel that family is important to Kurogane and he looks at Tomoyo as a brother would. I also think that Kurogane's mother and his bond with Tomoyo is what makes him able to understand Fai somehow. It reminds me of Yuuko and hitsuzen. (I hope I spelled those right). Anyway, sorry if it's been said before, but I'm new, so I haven't been able to read everything.
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Excuse me, I like to ask about the AX Thing, what do you mean CLAMP was all giggly? When that question "Kurogane is black and Fai is white. So they are complete opposites. Opposites attract, right?" Fan girls screamed at that. When it came up, they were in disbelief and Mokona was just rubbing her head and said this. The translator translated saying "What are you thinking? We just made Kurogane black and Fai white because that's who they are. Kurogane is blunt and Fai is mysterious, that's it!"
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Excuse me, I like to ask about the AX Thing, what do you mean CLAMP was all giggly? When that question "Kurogane is black and Fai is white. So they are complete opposites. Opposites attract, right?" Fan girls screamed at that. When it came up, they were in disbelief and Mokona was just rubbing her head and said this. The translator translated saying "What are you thinking? We just made Kurogane black and Fai white because that's who they are. Kurogane is blunt and Fai is mysterious, that's it!"
I'm trying to find your question in this. Are you asking if that translation is correct? Or are you questioning them being giggly? I personally wasn't there, but if you look just a few posts up, you'll hear a little about it from someone who was.
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The question I'm asking is when does that person hear clamp giggling at that question. I was there too in one of the few front rows, so I hear them better. I just said the same question that someone named megan asked clamp and I just posted their answers to that question.
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Eh? I'm sorry, WHAT happened at AX? CLAMP went all giggly at the thought of KuroxFai or shot it down completely?
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Excuse me, I like to ask about the AX Thing, what do you mean CLAMP was all giggly? When that question "Kurogane is black and Fai is white. So they are complete opposites. Opposites attract, right?" Fan girls screamed at that. When it came up, they were in disbelief and Mokona was just rubbing her head and said this. The translator translated saying "What are you thinking? We just made Kurogane black and Fai white because that's who they are. Kurogane is blunt and Fai is mysterious, that's it!"
Err... I hate to contradict you but I'm 100 percent sure that it was Ageha Ohkawa that answered the question, not Mokona, and that Ohkawa-san was giggling at the question, especially the first time that the fans cheered. I know that the laughing could be interpreted many ways, but it seemed because she was flattered/ amazed at the fan support for the pairing. Also, they didn't really answer the question, did they? I remember the answer something closer to this:
Ohkawa-san: "[laughs] Does the cheering mean there's a desire for this pairing? [laughs] Well, we made Syaoran the main character and he's still developing and maturing, so we wanted him to have adult companions. Kurogane is the one who is seen as 'black' and Fai as 'white.' Kurogane lives up to his name and likes to wear mostly black, and he is more straightforward, while Fai is more mysterious and represents white. And right now in the more recent Japanese chapter, Fai is in a tough spot...."
I don't remember hearing anything about the pairing being only in our heads. :(
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Sorry, not mokona. If that name is the woman second from our left. Then yeah. I have to agree with the rest of the dialouge but I cannot agree with the first line. She said what are you thinking? Plus she did rubbed her forehead, which could have other meanings.
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I've never seen the transcript people are quoting when they claim CLAMP said KuroFai was all in the fans' heads. Tha transcripts I've seen don't really suggest much either way, although Ohkawa does seem to be giggly. Mind, if you look at the CLAMP no Kiseki interviews, Ohkawa always seems to be giggly. Maybe she gets that way during interviews? Is there going to be an official transcript of the fan interviews? As in, one done by people who are not biased on the issue of KuroFai?
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Sorry, not mokona. If that name is the woman second from our left. Then yeah. I have to agree with the rest of the dialouge but I cannot agree with the first line. She said what are you thinking? Plus she did rubbed her forehead, which could have other meanings.
I find it kind of insulting that you are coming here only to contradict someone who has been a reliable member of this forum for a very long time. Maybe you don't mean it that way, it's hard to tell from forum posts sometimes. ^^; And of course you are certainly welcome to your own interpretation of what was said.
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Wait...so NO-ONE said that in the current volume there was going to be a KuroxFai moment? Is this all just a big translation mixup?
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I'm very sorry if I sound insulting. Maybe there is one big translation makeup or many of us who were there at clamp focus panel and misheard it. I wish there was a transcript at the ax website. I wish they could have allow us to bring the recording device. I'm not a major supporter of kuro/tomo or kuro/fai. But even if there is kuro/fai, sweatdrop what are the odds of them doing yaoi moment? Maybe a hug, but I never seen clamp made two guys kissing. Then again, was there any kissing in clamp works at all? (Sorry I was just rambling and hadn't read all of clamp works) The closet yaoi moment I saw was psycho fuuma licking kamui's face cheek. Sorry again, I'm just new to clamp and just recently became a fan of tsubasa. Plus a friend told me about chapter downloads here, so I check this forum out. Again, sorry if I sound insulting.
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No problem. It's hard to tell sometimes how someone is meaning something in a forum post. ^^
Yaoi being more graphic, I don't think anything like that would be shown. There has always been plenty of obvious touching and grabbing though between them.
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Clamp didn't really say much about the pairing. The translator translated it as something like "(is) this what the fans want?" I thought it was an odd translation. There was a lot of giggling, I just took this as her being nervous. She never answered it... she just later said that Fai is at a tough spot right now and that the Fai fans might hate her or be mad at her.... I thought that was interesting.
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Ahh, I've heard so many versions of what was said. Eeshk.
I don't think CLAMP would ever have yaoi (although I want it so badly) but I see them doing what happened with Touya/Yuito with the face touching and significant glances.
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Argh. I guess at this point, arguing about what was said is futile, since there's no tangible evidence of what she said except for in our memories. We can interpret their words and actions in so many ways, and our minds can change what was really said. We'll just have to wait and see what Clamp will do with Kuro and Fai in the future chapters (even though to me they're already practically canon ^^).
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Argh. I guess at this point, arguing about what was said is futile, since there's no tangible evidence of what she said except for in our memories. We can interpret their words and actions in so many ways, and our minds can change what was really said. We'll just have to wait and see what Clamp will do with Kuro and Fai in the future chapters (even though to me they're already practically canon ^^).
You said it perfectly ^__^ It's all left to memory, and is influenced by prior affiliations (eg KuroFay fan), it's a translation in any case so it might have been translated slightly differently to how Ohkawa meant it. This much, I think, is certain: they didn't actually answer one way or the other xD CLAMP are good at avoiding the subject.
I also agree with you that they're practically canon; I mean, I read that someone said that the way he treats Kurogane is just his flirt-y nature - and to an extent, it is, but he doesn't treat anyone else in the same way. I mean, we've seen him glomp Syaoran, but that was more friendly (and because of the promise of alcohol, lol), but he focuses so much more of his attention on Kurogane. And Kurotan gives him the attention right back, though often in a quieter, more subtle (and ninjalike!) way.
But apart from possibly a hug if one or the other of them needs comfort, I can't see us getting any other on-screen action, as it were, alas!
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Why does this thread exist at all, by the way? There's no question if they will be canon, they already are anyway ;)
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Technically, they're fanon. It's the question of whether it'll be totally officla or not, will CLAMP show what lies between the lies? The elephant in the room: will it go unnoticed or not?
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Let me get this straight, my english needs a vocabulary update, LOL
With cannon, you mean a deffinite pairing between two? Not nesesarily homosexual?
Well, by what everyone's been talking in this forum, I say taht they will become a pair, but CLAMP wouldn't make it too noticeable, since the series if for ages 13+. Now if it were 16+ they wouldn't care.
Yet.. i could be all wrong and CLAMP will make it quite obvious because it's CLAMP and they love to surprise the fans.
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Let me get this straight, my english needs a vocabulary update, LOL
With cannon, you mean a deffinite pairing between two? Not nesesarily homosexual?
Well, by what everyone's been talking in this forum, I say taht they will become a pair, but CLAMP wouldn't make it too noticeable, since the series if for ages 13+. Now if it were 16+ they wouldn't care.
Yet.. i could be all wrong and CLAMP will make it quite obvious because it's CLAMP and they love to surprise the fans.
I don't think age has anything to do with it. Have you ever read CCS? CCS was meant for all ages - young and old, but it's cutesy nature possibly appealed more to the younger children. That didn't stop Clamp from tossing in the Touya/Yukito pairing. It was quite obvious that that was canon, without being too obvious...if I'm making sense. If you do know what I mean then that's what I'm hoping for for Kurogane and Fai. I'm not expected anything big, but just a nice hint like with Touya and Yuki. One that canonises it without making it offending to other pairing shippers...that sort of thing.
Besides, the latest chapters of Tsubasa are...well...Show content
blood filled, eyes getting torn out, people's arms getting torn off...
. That - to me - kinda pushes this 13+ rating just a little...
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Let me get this straight, my english needs a vocabulary update, LOL
With cannon, you mean a deffinite pairing between two? Not nesesarily homosexual?
A canon pairing between two characters means that the two characters are definitely in a romantic relationship in the actual series, whether the couple is homosexual, heterosexual, or if we're talking about CLAMP, involves genderless people. "Cannon" is a weapon used to fire objects at something.
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I don't think age has anything to do with it. Have you ever read CCS? CCS was meant for all ages - young and old, but it's cutesy nature possibly appealed more to the younger children. That didn't stop Clamp from tossing in the Touya/Yukito pairing. It was quite obvious that that was canon, without being too obvious...if I'm making sense. If you do know what I mean then that's what I'm hoping for for Kurogane and Fai. I'm not expected anything big, but just a nice hint like with Touya and Yuki. One that canonises it without making it offending to other pairing shippers...that sort of thing.
Besides, the latest chapters of Tsubasa are...well...Show content
blood filled, eyes getting torn out, people's arms getting torn off...
. That - to me - kinda pushes this 13+ rating just a little...
That's very true... forgot about those two. Yeah, it was pretty clear taht something funny was going on between Touya and Yukito. And yeah you're right about the latest chapters too.
So... if they did that in CCS- that means we get more OBVIOUS KuroFye pairing? LOL
A canon pairing between two characters means that the two characters are definitely in a romantic relationship in the actual series, whether the couple is homosexual, heterosexual, or if we're talking about CLAMP, involves genderless people. "Cannon" is a weapon used to fire objects at something.
Oh! Yeah I imagined something lie taht, but didn't wnat to look stupid xD... even though I already did.
Thanks for the explanation.
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Yeah, but canon also refers to something that is factual. Like "Kurogane's hair is black" is canon.
Well, if anyone's even read or saw the anime of CCS you can't miss the Touya/Yukito relationship seeing as Yukito confesses his love of Touya to Sakura. The American one, you probably wouldn't have gotten much from it. Sadly, it doesn't mean that KxF will be canon, it means that there's more of a chance because if CLAMP had NEVER done homosexual plotlines before then our chances would be near to zero.
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Yeah, but canon also refers to something that is factual. Like "Kurogane's hair is black" is canon.
Well, if anyone's even read or saw the anime of CCS you can't miss the Touya/Yukito relationship seeing as Yukito confesses his love of Touya to Sakura. The American one, you probably wouldn't have gotten much from it. Sadly, it doesn't mean that KxF will be canon, it means that there's more of a chance because if CLAMP had NEVER done homosexual plotlines before then our chances would be near to zero.
Well. No one sat around whining about Tokyo Babylon did they? And that's pretty prolific in homosexual relationships. And X/1999 is pretty ambiguous with it's pairings. Yeeeaaaaaah, I'm hoping for a Touya/Yuki esq. thing for Kuro and Fai. Touya and Yuki do remind me a little of Kuro and Fai...so I could see it happening. I mean, Touya never confessed like Yuki did, but he did something pretty drastic to help Yuki - sacrificing something of his for Yuki's sake.
(Who knows...Fai's in a pretty critical condition right now. Maybe we'll get something like that...and sooner than we think? XD)
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Mmmm, Clamp does like to do shounen-ai relationships... :shifty: I'm not a very fan of Kurogane/Fai pairing, it's strange *holds her hands up to avoid the bricks* BUT, I think they're very kawaii together... Strange, aren't I? :hehe:
Touya and Yuki do remind me a little of Kuro and Fai...so I could see it happening. I mean, Touya never confessed like Yuki did, but he did something pretty drastic to help Yuki - sacrificing something of his for Yuki's sake.
(Who knows...Fai's in a pretty critical condition right now. Maybe we'll get something like that...and sooner than we think? XD)
I agree with that, maybe Kuro-pii will do something drastic to help Fai, and by that maybe we'll get a hint if there is something between them...I hope so! :greengrin:
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Well I dont think so cause till now they are showing us that Kurogane is inlove with his hime, Tomoyo and Fai loves Chii and that was very clear at episode 32 ^^
But you never know this is clamp we are talking about ;)
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Well I dont think so cause till now they are showing us that Kurogane is inlove with his hime, Tomoyo and Fai loves Chii and that was very clear at episode 32 ^^
But you never know this is clamp we are talking about ;)
Hmmm. See, this is where I don't like the anime. Episode 32 was a filler that Bee Train stuck in. It didn't happen in the manga...It's not part of the storyline...
(Although the Episode 16 filler cracked me up. Bee Train did something RIGHT for once.)
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Omg... please. I can't even type a response, I'm laughing way too hard.
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Well, Bee-train could make Kuromoyo and Fai/Chii anime canon if they really wanted to, even if CLAMP makes something else (KuroFai, for example) canon in the manga. After all, the Angelic Layer anime has different pairings from the manga version (which annoys me even though I've never seen the Angelic Layer anime). They already have things like episode 32, so it wouldn't be too much of a surprise...I wonder if the Japanese fangirls would pelt them with hatemail?
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Well, Bee-train could make Kuromoyo and Fai/Chii anime canon if they really wanted to, even if CLAMP makes something else (KuroFai, for example) canon in teh manga. After all, the Angelic Layer anime has different pairings from the manga version (which annoys me even though I've never seen the Angelic Layer anime). They already have things like episode 32, so it wouldn't be too much of a surprise...I wonder if the Japanese fangirls would pelt them with hatemail?
They probably would. And I'd pelt them with a flame thrower. If KuroFai is canon, it's canon. FaiXChi just wouldn't make sense because of Hideki in Chobits...and...yeah. It sucks when animes think they can redo pairings differently from the artist's original ideas. It's almost like stealing the idea and calling it your own by playing god with the characters.
Or something.
In the manga - and I always think the manga is better than the animes in anything - KuroFai seems likely. Well. Likely in Clamp-sense.
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They probably would. And I'd pelt them with a flame thrower. If KuroFai is canon, it's canon. FaiXChi just wouldn't make sense because of Hideki in Chobits...and...yeah. It sucks when animes think they can redo pairings differently from the artist's original ideas. It's almost like stealing the idea and calling it your own by playing god with the characters.
Or something.
In the manga - and I always think the manga is better than the animes in anything - KuroFai seems likely. Well. Likely in Clamp-sense.
Its true. If it ended up with faxChi, then ten bucks, that bee Train dies. When I showed my friend Volume One of TRC, and she saw Fai and chi together, she was like "No way, that is Hideki chi. What!". Chi is Hideki, just like Fa is for Kuro. Its just common sence people.
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Actually, maybe what Bee Train was trying to show that Chii loved Fai as a creator NOT as a lover. Of course, it might only have been a crush on Fai but we all know that Fai doesn't like Chii THAT way....obviously it's all Kuro\Fai!
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We all know that Fai/Chii can't be canon because of Hideki. Bee-train may or may not have noticed the relevance of the "CLAMP soulmates" rule. Or they may think they're above that rule because they make the anime. Ep. 32 does make it look like they're trying to set up Fai/Chii as a couple, not just a creator/creation pair. I don't know if they're set enough on the idea to go through with it even if CLAMP puts Fai with someone else (or adds in Hideki) in the manga. Let's hope not.
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I watched the entire Fai/Chii episode and I STILL could not detect any "romantic" vibes from those two. If they were trying to make them seem like a couple, they failed miserably. I thought the whole thing had a sort of younger sister/older brother feel.
Still, the episode itself was lame.
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Well I dont think so cause till now they are showing us that Kurogane is inlove with his hime, Tomoyo and Fai loves Chii and that was very clear at episode 32 ^^
But you never know this is clamp we are talking about ;)
Oh boy. Why is this always the argument that is brought up? Even if (and that is a reaaaaallllllllllllllyyyyyy huge if) Kurogane was in love with Tomoyo and Fai was in love with Chii at one point in their lives, that does not mean that they cannot change and love another person more than they loved people that are currently in their past.
Also, episode 32 has no canon standing whatsoever, it was just thrown in there by BeeTrain because they like adding pointless fillers. That makes people who don't read the manga believe that all this garbage they invent happens, and people form opinions such as the one you have stated above because they aren't recieving their information from proper channels. I choose to belive CLAMP's manga canon over the canon of an anime company who doesn't know how to adapt a manga into an animation.
And if Kurogane is in love with Tomoyo, then he'd be Freud's perfect case for the oedipal complex, because Tomoyo is practically exactly like Kurogane's mother in every way.
As for Fai, I just cannot see how anyone can believe that he is heterosexual XD
But whatever, if you choose to believe that Kurogane/Tomoyo and Fai/Chii will be canon, then shikata ga nai.
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Oh boy. Why is this always the argument that is brought up? Even if (and that is a reaaaaallllllllllllllyyyyyy huge if) Kurogane was in love with Tomoyo and Fai was in love with Chii at one point in their lives, that does not mean that they cannot change and love another person more than they loved people that are currently in their past.
Also, episode 32 has no canon standing whatsoever, it was just thrown in there by BeeTrain because they like adding pointless fillers. That makes people who don't read the manga believe that all this garbage they invent happens, and people form opinions such as the one you have stated above because they aren't recieving their information from proper channels. I choose to belive CLAMP's manga canon over the canon of an anime company who doesn't know how to adapt a manga into an animation.
And if Kurogane is in love with Tomoyo, then he'd be Freud's perfect case for the oedipal complex, because Tomoyo is practically exactly like Kurogane's mother in every way.
As for Fai, I just cannot see how anyone can believe that he is heterosexual XD
But whatever, if you choose to believe that Kurogane/Tomoyo and Fai/Chii will be canon, then shikata ga nai.
Hyuu, well-said, meliwan-san! (Oh, that Freud. He certainly loves his sex.)
There are a lot of reasons why I dislike the Kuro/Tomo pairing. For one, Tomoyo is/was in love with Sakura. Even if she has never met Sakura as Kurogane's Tomoyo-hime, doesn't that give everyone some hint as to which way she swings? I'm not against bisexuality at all, but it would be incredibly unrealistic from Tomoyo's attraction to change suddenly from sweet, innocent Sakura to big, rough, manly Kurogane. In addition, Kurogane has been sent away to learn the meaning of true strength... presumably strength found in the heart like the sort of strength Syaoran has from his desire to protect Sakura. So wouldn't it be a little bit anti-climactic if he learnt this and then just went back home to marry Tomoyo, whom he could not learn this lesson from alone? Though I think he does care for her more than anyone else from his past, he isn't in love with her.
And FaixChii... I'm not even gonna touch that one. To me the entire idea of FaixChii just screams fangirl denial of Fai's sexual preference :lol:. But seriously...
Fig. A: Hideki.
Fig. B: Fai changing Chii into a security alarm. Pool covers = tru luv?!
Fig. C: Fai has spent less than 10 pages in her presence during the entirety of Tsubasa. Not to say he didn't have a good relationship with her beforehand, but there is no canonical reference to this.
Fig. D: Additionally, as far as we know, has spent 0 minutes thinking about her.
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Omg... please. I can't even type a response, I'm laughing way too hard.
Ditto.
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as to the fai chi episode, look closely, he was somewhat reluctant in returning the hug, and even then he only placed his hands on her shouldrs, ne? no "love" there. jsut alot of affectionate petting :tongue:
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Fye/Chii? *starts giggling like mad*
manga > anime
manga canon > anime canon
CLAMP > Bree Train
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I am a little tired of reading about GREAT DEVOTED LOVE between KuroxTomo and FaixChii (actually that's why this is the only forum related to Tsubasa that i visit). It's not that i don't respect other people's opinion, but HOW am i supposed to RESPECT something like THAT? OMG... "Fai has to come back to Ceres because he can't leave HIS CUTE CHII behind" what the hell is this?! As for KuroxTomo... In the begining of the story i myself thought that they might be a couple, however my reasons were: 1) i thought that SxS can't be the only couple of the series, and Tomoyo was from Kuro's world; 2) i started reading tsubasa BEFORE CCS and i didn't know who Tomoyo was ^_^.
And then all these lovely kurofai moments started... While watching the anime i thought they looked cute together (ep 16 is great, i even kinda feel sorry ithere's nothing like that in the manga), but i thought that it would be UNBELIEVABLY good if they stayed together, so i stopped thinking of it. But after reading MANGA i was like "WHATTA...?!! they DEFINITLY will be canon, If not... then i understand nothing about people's relationship"
Well, anyway KuroFai are already canon for me as well.
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*nods* I can see people thinking of Kurogane/Tomoyo in the beginning if they hadn't read CCS. I also didn't read CCS first and had no clue who Tomoyo was but she seemed special to Kurogane. And then all the KuroFye stuff started up (pretty quickly I might add) and I threw all thoughts of Kuro and Tomoyo being a couple out the window.
Fye/Chii though...even if someone hasn't read Chobits I don't know how someone could think they are going to be canon. After about a chapter I forgot who Chii even was. Because unlike with Tomoyo who gets thought of a lot, Fye never thinks of Chii. Fye thinks more about Ashura-ou then the does Chii.
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*nods* I can see people thinking of Kurogane/Tomoyo in the beginning if they hadn't read CCS. I also didn't read CCS first and had no clue who Tomoyo was but she seemed special to Kurogane. And then all the KuroFye stuff started up (pretty quickly I might add) and I threw all thoughts of Kuro and Tomoyo being a couple out the window.
Yeah, I'm another one who read TRC before CCS and saw hints for Kurogane/Tomoyo back in Hanshin. I kind of forgot about it after that, though.
Because unlike with Tomoyo who gets thought of a lot, Fye never thinks of Chii. Fye thinks more about Ashura-ou then the does Chii.
Which is why Fai/Ashura-ou is infinitely better than Fai/Chii. Ahem. I think our collective logic has quite crushed Fai/Chii by now. May it never come back zombie-like from the grave to eat our brains out.
We shouldn't be too hard on people who just watch the anime, though. If they can enjoy the series from watching it, that's good for them, right? Even if the manga is more "canon."
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We shouldn't be too hard on people who just watch the anime, though. If they can enjoy the series from watching it, that's good for them, right? Even if the manga is more "canon."
Don't bash the viewers, bash BeeTrain for lovin' the canonrape.
And as for Fai/Ashura, that definitely has tonnes more canon standing that Fai/Chii. Fai/anyone in Celes is plausible then, if Fai/Chii is.
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Fai/anyone in Celes is plausible then, if Fai/Chii is.
Fye/anyone, eh? Now I'm picturing a Celes version of Kuro. :P
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Fye/anyone, eh? Now I'm picturing a Celes version of Kuro. :P
Or Nihon!Fai...Say, if Kurogane stays in Japan and Fai continues dimension hopping...that might be an alternative.
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Fye/anyone, eh? Now I'm picturing a Celes version of Kuro. :P
It's funny you say that. The night before last I had a dream that chapter 123 was about Fai's past and there was a Celes!Kurogane who was like his childhood friend and then the fell in luuuuv XD Lol, my brain works in weird ways, especially when I am a sleep.
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ZOMG. Celes!Kuro and Nihon!Fai should hook up. Yuuko should throw them together since OUR Kuro and Fai are currently unavailable, and we don't want them to be apart. Because.... wouldn't there be a Kuro in Celes and visa versa? Gotta think about that....
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ZOMG. Celes!Kuro and Nihon!Fai should hook up. Yuuko should throw them together since OUR Kuro and Fai are currently unavailable, and we don't want them to be apart. Because.... wouldn't there be a Kuro in Celes and visa versa? Gotta think about that....
Eee, but.. not necessarily.. I think if KuroFai is "meant to happen" (iow if it's a CLAMP destinedtobetogether pairing), the fact they were thrown together from different dimensions would probably mean there wasnt a Celes!Kuro or Nihon!Fai. Because, otherwise, I think Celes!Kuro and Celes!Fai woulda gotten together (and same for Nihon KxF). Or something? xD
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Very complicated universe we're dabbling in, here, I agree. Is it possible for someone to not exist in a world?
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I voted option 4. All the way through the manga, I believe its just them being friends. Kuro just cares for Fai, like he cares for the others. Yeah, I'm crazy. But I hate the KF pairing....and now..I have a feeling the fangirls are gonna kill me =_= Sorry, just my opinion.
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I voted option 4. All the way through the manga, I believe its just them being friends. Kuro just cares for Fai, like he cares for the others. Yeah, I'm crazy. But I hate the KF pairing....and now..I have a feeling the fangirls are gonna kill me =_= Sorry, just my opinion.
Nobody's going to hate you for stating an opinion. I state all the time I loathe Kurogane/Tomoyo, and Fai/Chi and that I love the KuroFai pairing. I think it has real chemistry...and...well...this is Clamp we're talking about. It's not like it's not a possibility. And, hey, I'm still alive! No KuroTomo or FaiChi fans have tried to kill me yet o_o.
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Very complicated universe we're dabbling in, here, I agree. Is it possible for someone to not exist in a world?
Mmm, what do you mean, that if it is posible for someone that exist in another dimension to not exist in another one?
Maybe, I guess that it can happen...Yuuko did said at the first volume (I think) that it was posible to meet someone they'd known in another dimension, so not everyone exists in the other world.
:hehe: Can you understand what I'm saying? :heh:
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Nobody's going to hate you for stating an opinion. I state all the time I loathe Kurogane/Tomoyo, and Fai/Chi and that I love the KuroFai pairing. I think it has real chemistry...and...well...this is Clamp we're talking about. It's not like it's not a possibility. And, hey, I'm still alive! No KuroTomo or FaiChi fans have tried to kill me yet o_o.
XD yay! But....theres a hidden KuroFai army...o_o; theres less a chance for you to be killed. And I know how CLAMP is...they have fun either pleasing or killing the fans. XD Its because I think Kurogane is hot...and yeah...I'm jealous of Fai? XD
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XD yay! But....theres a hidden KuroFai army...o_o; theres less a chance for you to be killed. And I know how CLAMP is...they have fun either pleasing or killing the fans. XD Its because I think Kurogane is hot...and yeah...I'm jealous of Fai? XD
The fact that you are jealous of Fai... isn't that kind of acknowledging the fact that Fai is very well a possible pair for Kurogane? I mean, the fact that you are so blatantly against the pairing and all, and then say you are jealous of him... seems to me like you kind of see K/F and then that makes you hate them together. Kind of like a girl who is in love with some guy but that guy loves someone else... I don't know, just making an observation here.
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Mmm, what do you mean, that if it is posible for someone that exist in another dimension to not exist in another one?
Maybe, I guess that it can happen...Yuuko did said at the first volume (I think) that it was posible to meet someone they'd known in another dimension, so not everyone exists in the other world.
:hehe: Can you understand what I'm saying? :heh:
Yup! And you got what I was saying, even though I posted somewhat incoherently due to the time of day, haha.
The whole idea of KuroTomo and FaiChii makes me physically ill, to tell the truth. It just seems to wrong to me. Not that I don't love Tomoyo (Chii I'm neutral about) but just NOT with Kurogane. But I've already stated my reasons for that, so I don't feel the need to repeat myself.
Besides, Kuro and Fai are already daddy and mommy! That's foreshadowing their wedding and eventual adopting of kids! /crack.
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Yeah, thats only because I see K+F is everywhere. And I know CLAMP...so they'll probably make them a pairing.
I told you I'm gonna be killed, Becster. XD
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Yeah, thats only because I see K+F is everywhere. And I know CLAMP...so they'll probably make them a pairing.
I told you I'm gonna be killed, Becster. XD
Ne, Kana-chan, like Becster said, nobody's going to think less of you for having a different outlook on the pairing. I'm a total KuroFai fangirl and I can respect your opinion. Not everyone looks at KuroFai and thinks "ZOMG! L'amour!" and I think most people involved understand that.
So don't worry about disagreeing with us. There ARE a lot of KxF people, but most of them are pretty open-minded and will respect what you're saying, even if they disagree.
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Yeah, thats only because I see K+F is everywhere. And I know CLAMP...so they'll probably make them a pairing.
I told you I'm gonna be killed, Becster. XD
...No. No one's going to kill you. So...stop that. No one kills anyone here at least not without a good reaso--Okay, I'm joking XD. No one kills anyone because of their opinions.
Yup! And you got what I was saying, even though I posted somewhat incoherently due to the time of day, haha.
The whole idea of KuroTomo and FaiChii makes me physically ill, to tell the truth. It just seems to wrong to me. Not that I don't love Tomoyo (Chii I'm neutral about) but just NOT with Kurogane. But I've already stated my reasons for that, so I don't feel the need to repeat myself.
Besides, Kuro and Fai are already daddy and mommy! That's foreshadowing their wedding and eventual adopting of kids! /crack.
As has been said before...Tomoyo is like a mini-version of Kuro's MOTHER. That'd be one twisted Oedipal complex if they did get together...
...And I'm not even gonna bother laughing explaining my reasons for why I believe FaiXChi will never, ever be canon. Next time, I'm just gonna post a picture of Hideki in my defence. XD
I say we sneak into the wedding, Emiko!! And then get ourselves adopted by them!!! =D
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Ne, Kana-chan, like Becster said, nobody's going to think less of you for having a different outlook on the pairing. I'm a total KuroFai fangirl and I can respect your opinion. Not everyone looks at KuroFai and thinks "ZOMG! L'amour!" and I think most people involved understand that.
So don't worry about disagreeing with us. There ARE a lot of KxF people, but most of them are pretty open-minded and will respect what you're saying, even if they disagree.
Okay. ^_^ Atleast I can agree with you on the FaixChi pairing! I've read all of Chobits and Hideki is Chi's 'special person'. I believe Chi loves Fai as in a creator, maybe a father? Wait..that would be the same thing. XD
As for KuroxTomo, eh, not sure yet...I still have to 'research'. XD
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I say we sneak into the wedding, Emiko!! And then get ourselves adopted by them!!! =D
Gyaah, that's an excellent plan, Becster! We could bring them congradulatory baskets of pineapple. Though I don't think we'd be good daughters, since we'd just be lusting after our parents. :XD:
As for KuroxTomo, eh, not sure yet...I still have to 'research'. XD
Demo, I think one of the reasons why some of us hate that pairing is because Tomoyo was clearly in love with Sakura, a GIRL, in CCS. And, as I already said, bisexuality is cool, but it's a little unrealistic that Tomoyo would love a sweet, innocent girl one minute and a rough, manly ninja the next.
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Gyaah, that's an excellent plan, Becster! We could bring them congradulatory baskets of pineapple. Though I don't think we'd be good daughters, since we'd just be lusting after our parents :XD:
Nah. I wouldn't be. *DODGES ROTTEN PINEAPPLES* I'm not attracted to Kuro or Fai (...;o; YUUUUKKKOOOO....<3). I just find them 12 different kinds of awesome XD But yes, a pineapple basket sounds good. But I'd be more interested in putting up cameras anywhere to catch them at...certain...moments *innocent grin*
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Nah. I wouldn't be. *DODGES ROTTEN PINEAPPLES* I'm not attracted to Kuro or Fai (...;o; YUUUUKKKOOOO....<3). I just find them 12 different kinds of awesome XD But yes, a pineapple basket sounds good. But I'd be more interested in putting up cameras anywhere to catch them at...certain...moments *innocent grin*
Bwahahahaha, living vicariously through their relationship. I'd be all for setting up cameras, though a video camera might be more effective because they capture sound too. /perv. Maybe we can start small with the cameras and advance to video later. And share our spoils with our fellow KuroFai sisters. The noble Sisterhood of KuroFai.
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Bwahahahaha, living vicariously through their relationship. I'd be all for setting up cameras, though a video camera might be more effective because they capture sound too. /perv. Maybe we can start small with the cameras and advance to video later. And share our spoils with our fellow KuroFai sisters. The noble Sisterhood of KuroFai.
Definitely. Small cameras like the ones in pencils and stuff...then when we get smarter, we can use proper film equipment. And microphones. Etc. And, of course we'll share our spoils. It'd be a crime not to. We are devoted to the Sisterhood! We share all!! XD
...We are SUCH DORKS. Go us.
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Definitely. Small cameras like the ones in pencils and stuff...then when we get smarter, we can use proper film equipment. And microphones. Etc. And, of course we'll share our spoils. It'd be a crime not to. We are devoted to the Sisterhood! We share all!! XD
...We are SUCH DORKS. Go us.
Yes, it's unbelievable how much we suck right now, haha. If I really lived in this house, I'd never get my homework done. And hopefully when we share our findings with our fellow KxF sisters, they'd be happy enough to fund us so we can actually afford the best and stealthiest equiptment. We can set up a website and everything.
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Yes, it's unbelievable how much we suck right now, haha. If I really lived in this house, I'd never get my homework done. And hopefully when we share our findings with our fellow KxF sisters, they'd be happy enough to fund us so we can actually afford the best and stealthiest equiptment. We can set up a website and everything.
Yup. We are currently both losing at life, and winning at it at the same time. Yay for defying logic!
Homework? What's homework? There's an excuse for the teacher: 'Sorry Sir/Ma'am, I couldn't get my homework done because I was far to busy filming my parents going at it for all their fangirls to enjoy.' That'd go down a treat. And I WOULD expected to get paid. Maybe we could sell the bad copies on Ebay. Then we can have a full fledged web page and our futures would be well provided for with all the money we'd be raking in!
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Yup. We are currently both losing at life, and winning at it at the same time. Yay for defying logic!
Homework? What's homework? There's an excuse for the teacher: 'Sorry Sir/Ma'am, I couldn't get my homework done because I was far to busy filming my parents going at it for all their fangirls to enjoy.' That'd go down a treat. And I WOULD expected to get paid. Maybe we could sell the bad copies on Ebay. Then we can have a full fledged web page and our futures would be well provided for with all the money we'd be raking in!
I'm sure any KuroFai fangirls reading this would be more than happy to shell out some cash for our efforts. Like, videos and photographs and we could put pictures on cups and T-shirts and mousepads and tacky touristy things like that. People would totally buy! Though some of the pictures would have to be PG, especially if we're going to iron them onto T-shirts. And that might he hard to do without the two of them finding out. We'd need a center-of-communications where we wouldn't be found out. Some other KuroFai fan needs to lend us the service of their basement.
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I'm sure any KuroFai fangirls reading this would be more than happy to shell out some cash for our efforts. Like, videos and photographs and we could put pictures on cups and T-shirts and mousepads and tacky touristy things like that. People would totally buy! Though some of the pictures would have to be PG, especially if we're going to iron them onto T-shirts. And that might he hard to do without the two of them finding out. We'd need a center-of-communications where we wouldn't be found out. Some other KuroFai fan needs to lend us the service of their basement.
We could have our own shop!! And like...RULE THE WORLD. Or at least spread the KuroFai love to loadsa places. Touristy gifts get EVERYWHERE.
Okay, I think we've abused the strikethrough enough now XD
It's time for...Becster's fun fact of the day!:
My friend takes Japanese lessons and knows some stuff about the culture from her teacher. From what she knows she told me that although Kurogane is a ninja, his sword fighting style is something of a Bushido style as well. In olden Japan it was considered a weakness for Bushido to love and to take a woman - so they chose young men and boys instead of women as their partners. So...yeah. Fai's male. And (looks) young. And is pretty.
I'm assuming that even though he IS a ninja, if Kuro DID learn Bushido skills he'd have SOME respect for the culture's traditions...>=D
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We could have our own shop!! And like...RULE THE WORLD. Or at least spread the KuroFai love to loadsa places. Touristy gifts get EVERYWHERE.
Okay, I think we've abused the strikethrough enough now XD
It's time for...Becster's fun fact of the day!:
My friend takes Japanese lessons and knows some stuff about the culture from her teacher. From what she knows she told me that although Kurogane is a ninja, his sword fighting style is something of a Bushido style as well. In olden Japan it was considered a weakness for Bushido to love and to take a woman - so they chose young men and boys instead of women as their partners. So...yeah. Fai's male. And (looks) young. And is pretty.
I'm assuming that even though he IS a ninja, if Kuro DID learn Bushido skills he'd have SOME respect for the culture's traditions...>=D
Yes, I agree. This could conceivably go on forever.
And that's awesome! Kuro seems to have absolutely 0 interest in women anyway. Even within their little group, Sakura's the one he talks to the least.
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Yeah, I knew about that. Yet, I was still confused.
XD Wow....mornings are crazy....
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Yes, I agree. This could conceivably go on forever.
And that's awesome! Kuro seems to have absolutely 0 interest in women anyway. Even within their little group, Sakura's the one he talks to the least.
That's definitely a point. He just...protects her. Doesn't really talk to her. (He likes her anyway. All parents love their children.)
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We could have our own shop!! And like...RULE THE WORLD. Or at least spread the KuroFai love to loadsa places. Touristy gifts get EVERYWHERE.
Okay, I think we've abused the strikethrough enough now XD
It's time for...Becster's fun fact of the day!:
My friend takes Japanese lessons and knows some stuff about the culture from her teacher. From what she knows she told me that although Kurogane is a ninja, his sword fighting style is something of a Bushido style as well. In olden Japan it was considered a weakness for Bushido to love and to take a woman - so they chose young men and boys instead of women as their partners. So...yeah. Fai's male. And (looks) young. And is pretty.
I'm assuming that even though he IS a ninja, if Kuro DID learn Bushido skills he'd have SOME respect for the culture's traditions...>=D
What about Kuro's dad? >=3
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What about Kuro's dad? >=3
Well, in order for Kuro to be born I suppose he had to have a woman. But also he Show content
died when Kuro was a teenager, so Kuro would've had to have learnt a different style, or had another trainer.
If that's the case they may have utilised the Bushido style.
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But he still loved her. To me, it seemed ninja had to marry Mikos.
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What about Kuro's dad? >=3
Maybe Kurogane's dad reproduces asexually and Kurogane was a budded from him :XD: No, I am kidding, honestly. No more crack for me.
But there was enough time for Kurogane to pick up different fighting styles between when he last trained with his father to when he was accepted as a ninja of the royal court. No matter how good you are, you can't just waltz in and be like "Yeah, I am awesome so I am not going to bother learning your rules or your techniques."
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We could have our own shop!! And like...RULE THE WORLD. Or at least spread the KuroFai love to loadsa places. Touristy gifts get EVERYWHERE.
Okay, I think we've abused the strikethrough enough now XD
It's time for...Becster's fun fact of the day!:
My friend takes Japanese lessons and knows some stuff about the culture from her teacher. From what she knows she told me that although Kurogane is a ninja, his sword fighting style is something of a Bushido style as well. In olden Japan it was considered a weakness for Bushido to love and to take a woman - so they chose young men and boys instead of women as their partners. So...yeah. Fai's male. And (looks) young. And is pretty.
I'm assuming that even though he IS a ninja, if Kuro DID learn Bushido skills he'd have SOME respect for the culture's traditions...>=D
Becster's that is the best fun fact of the day ^^ heeee
that prove that its CANON! ^^;;
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Maybe Kurogane's dad reproduces asexually and Kurogane was a budded from him :XD: No, I am kidding, honestly. No more crack for me.
XD What?! He's a flower?! XD
Eh, but still I still doubt it. ahh...Why cant CLAMP release chapters earlier? even if its 2 days until the next chap. ^_^;
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But he still loved her. To me, it seemed ninja had to marry Mikos.
I wasn't really making a point of whether or not Kuro's father loved his mother. It's clear he did. It doesn't necessarily mean that ninjas had to marry a miko. Besides, Miko's were virgins. On the occasion, a miko was made an exception because of a strong nature, but generally they were virgin miko's until they married. Considering the era Nihon seems to be set it, there was probably a LOT of ninjas. If a ninja had to marry a miko, wouldn't it mean there'd be a severe shortage on mikos? And wouldn't that defeat the object of having mikos? o_O
Just wondering.
And, yes Ashlee. My fun fact made ME smile as well XD
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Okay, I see your point now. ^_^;
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I think my poor brain exploded a page or so back what with talk of video cameras.
I must have a copy of that tape.
And Becster, your fun fact totally made my day. XD
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Sanmine, you can be our distinguished first customer if you so desire. Though we still need to find a drippy basement in which to make our contraband.
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We could have our own shop!! And like...RULE THE WORLD. Or at least spread the KuroFai love to loadsa places. Touristy gifts get EVERYWHERE.
Okay, I think we've abused the strikethrough enough now XD
It's time for...Becster's fun fact of the day!:
My friend takes Japanese lessons and knows some stuff about the culture from her teacher. From what she knows she told me that although Kurogane is a ninja, his sword fighting style is something of a Bushido style as well. In olden Japan it was considered a weakness for Bushido to love and to take a woman - so they chose young men and boys instead of women as their partners. So...yeah. Fai's male. And (looks) young. And is pretty.
I'm assuming that even though he IS a ninja, if Kuro DID learn Bushido skills he'd have SOME respect for the culture's traditions...>=D
thank you for that fun fact. it made me smile after having a fight with my mom ^^
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No basement Emiko, but I do have a dusty loft you guys are welcome to use at any time - rent is free!
And being your first distinguished customer sounds great, so long as you don't mind that it'll be someone who barely has enough money for her manga. Can I pay with smiles and pineapples?
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I think my poor brain exploded a page or so back what with talk of video cameras. I must have a copy of that tape.
And Becster, your fun fact totally made my day. XD
Yay! We asploded someone's brain!
And my fun fact made MY day when I first had it. I'm glad I can spread the lurve!
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No basement Emiko, but I do have a dusty loft you guys are welcome to use at any time - rent is free!
And being your first distinguished customer sounds great, so long as you don't mind that it'll be someone who barely has enough money for her manga. Can I pay with smiles and pineapples?
Smiles and pineapples are totally valid currency in the world of KuroFai. Least while the business is just getting off it's feet. I guess it's the least I can do to give something back to the KuroFai community. So I say yes. Hopefully my partner in crime will agree with me. XD
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Smiles and pineapples are totally valid currency in the world of KuroFai. Least while the business is just getting off it's feet. I guess it's the least I can do to give something back to the KuroFai community. So I say yes. Hopefully my partner in crime will agree with me. XD
*cracks knuckles* Now to get some footage. We WILL prove that KuroFai is undeniably canon.
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*screams*
YE SYES YESY YESY EYEY SSS!! !WOOT! Have you heard yet about what happens in 124? omigawd! YES! YES!
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Ah, I wonder if this is even still in question! XD "WILL it be canon?" Thanks to chapter 124, I definitely think it WILL be! XD
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Ah, I wonder if this is even still in question! XD "WILL it be canon?" Thanks to chapter 124, I definitely think it WILL be! XD
Ah, you're right. The question now is only "WHEN will it be canon?" *teeheehee*
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Ah, you're right. The question now is only "WHEN will it be canon?" *teeheehee*
Bwa ha ha!! I agree! XD I think it's time to change the name of the thread! XD
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Bwa ha ha!! I agree! XD I think it's time to change the name of the thread! XD
Nyarharhar, of course XD
By the way, maybe I'm soon going to be the mod in the TRC forum of a really huge German anime community *dances around*
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Ah, you're right. The question now is only "WHEN will it be canon?" *teeheehee*
Bwa ha ha!! I agree! XD I think it's time to change the name of the thread! XD
--> Yes, you 2 are both right !!! :hello2: :hello2: I think KF is already CANON !!! We have many proof in chap 124 :inlove: !! No one can deni from now on !!!
And, " when will it be canon ? " --> it's done, Kjesta :D , It's canon !!!
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--> Yes, you 2 are both right !!! :hello2: :hello2: I think KF is already CANON !!! We have many proof in chap 124 :inlove: !! No one can deni from now on !!!
And, " when will it be canon ? " --> it's done, Kjesta :D , It's canon !!!
ne, not quite. it depends of the price of kuro's wish. if he pays it, even if its his right to go home, THEN we can call it canon ^_^. right now, the canon is hanging by a thread. next chapter the kurofai fans can cut the thread and RELEASE THE CANON :lol:
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Lol. Release the canon.
While I agree that it won't be officially canon in everyone's eyes, I don't think there's much chance of Kuro not paying the price. Why would he ask in the first place if he wasn't prepared to give something up? Why would Clamp even mention it just to have Kuro go, "mmm, nah, nevermind. Forget I said anything". Fai's dying, he doesn't have much time to be indecisive. And Fai can't die until Ashura wakes up. They have to confront each other. And Fai needs to spill about his past. There's still so much Fai needs to do. He won't die yet because I believe that Kuro will pay a price and save him.
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XD Well, I think after 125, it will be canon, so it won't be a question of 'when' either. I don't see a chance of Kurogane -not- paying the price to save Fai's life. So what should I change the name to? ^_^
All of a sudden, I want to yell, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" XD
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Why not mane it "KuroFai: "Release the Canon" XD
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XD I expect to log on to read chapter 125 and see the name of this thread changed to "KuroxFai- Will ...Um, nevermind."
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XD I expect to log on to read chapter 125 and see the name of this thread changed to "KuroxFai- Will ...Um, nevermind."
Uhm... Are you psychic or something? XDD
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Or how about "KuroxFai - Discuss the Canon." X3
Yah, Chapter 124, 125, and probably 126 just says it all.
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Or how about "KuroxFai - Discuss the Canon." X3
Yah, Chapter 124, 125, and probably 126 just says it all.
you know, the way ch 125 started out i was ready to be huMONGUSLY disapointed. but then CLAMP pulled this one out, and i made such a racket i pissed my brother off :XD
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you know, the way ch 125 started out i was ready to be huMONGUSLY disapointed. but then CLAMP pulled this one out, and i made such a racket i pissed my brother off :XD
Well, it was worth making noise about, ^__^ soooo~... *makes some noise* Ahh... there's no one around to bother here. XD
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*coughs and points at Chapter 125*
Jeanette...maybe you should change the title now? ^_^
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<3333 The name of this thread is now 'KuroFai- The Official Canon Gloating Thread.' XD
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<3333 The name of this thread is now 'KuroFai- The Official Canon Gloating Thread.' XD
AHAHA I FREAKING LOVE IT <3
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Jeanette, you win the internet XD
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Oh god, this is the best thread name ever!!! XD
Now, let the gloating begin!!
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I laughed so hard my ribs hurt! But it was worth it! *pets her KuroxFye dolls*
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I wonder what the disbelievers are saying now.
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Yeah, they'll SO have to eat their words now :hehe:
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I wonder what the disbelievers are saying now.
Ufufufu, they're probably trying to find ANY strand to hold onto. They're probably like "Well, he hold him he'd kill him so that obviously means he hates him still." Something dumb like that because they're stuck so far into their denial it hurts :XD:
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Sadly, alot of them have either totally failed to notice the KuroFai-ness, or are in complete denial D:
Pour example~ One of my KuroTomo shipping friends said something along the lines of "If he has to stay with him forever, Fai can go back to Japan with Kuro.. and be best man at Kurogane and Tomoyo's wedding!"
Gotta give these people credit for hanging onto their ships so loyally, though.
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Sadly, alot of them have either totally failed to notice the KuroFai-ness, or are in complete denial D:
Pour example~ One of my KuroTomo shipping friends said something along the lines of "If he has to stay with him forever, Fai can go back to Japan with Kuro.. and be best man at Kurogane and Tomoyo's wedding!"
Gotta give these people credit for hanging onto their ships so loyally, though.
...You are kidding. Someone actually SAID that? -_- Jeez... A little bit of credit for their tenacity. I guess.
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Ufufufu, they're probably trying to find ANY strand to hold onto. They're probably like "Well, he hold him he'd kill him so that obviously means he hates him still." Something dumb like that because they're stuck so far into their denial it hurts :XD:
They're so stuck it reminds me of a KuroFai fic XD It's called - surprise, sursprise! - "Denial" and Kuro is spending several paragraphs denying Fai and every feelings except hate towards him. And then Fai walks in, gives him a kiss and goes to get more tea XD (Lemon tea, I bet.)
Sadly, alot of them have either totally failed to notice the KuroFai-ness, or are in complete denial D:
Pour example~ One of my KuroTomo shipping friends said something along the lines of "If he has to stay with him forever, Fai can go back to Japan with Kuro.. and be best man at Kurogane and Tomoyo's wedding!"
Gotta give these people credit for hanging onto their ships so loyally, though.
Woah, that's impudent O___O NEVER! Neverever tell a KF shipper Kuro and Tomoyo would marry :angry:
Btw, is it only me who's totally creeped out by the mental image of Tomoyo and Kurogane snogging or, worse, having sex? *gags*
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Sadly, alot of them have either totally failed to notice the KuroFai-ness, or are in complete denial D:
Pour example~ One of my KuroTomo shipping friends said something along the lines of "If he has to stay with him forever, Fai can go back to Japan with Kuro.. and be best man at Kurogane and Tomoyo's wedding!"
Gotta give these people credit for hanging onto their ships so loyally, though.
As Becster said in an MSN convo I was having with her, even if KuroTomo ever happens, it would be a bit weird to have your lover with another guy latched onto him sucking at his neck drinking his blood for the rest of their lives :XD: But... that is seriously so funny. How can you miss the KuroFai? Even as just a friendship pairing (ha), you cannot deny that there is an extremely strong bond that was only made stronger...
Plus, if they're so intent on seeing the KuroTomo/Kuro's parents parallel, then you can go right along and say that these chapters mirror the beginning of the manga where Syaoran was willing to do/give anything to save Sakura's life. No one denies Syao/Saku as a romantic pairing, so if those shippers want to use that logic of parallels, it can be thrown right back at them~
Btw, is it only me who's totally creeped out by the mental image of Tomoyo and Kurogane snogging or, worse, having sex? *gags*
I am. It is so... squicky. Tomoyo is a l-e-s-b-i-a-n. It's not that hard to see that :hmp:
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As Becster said in an MSN convo I was having with her, even if KuroTomo ever happens, it would be a bit weird to have your lover with another guy latched onto him sucking at his neck drinking his blood for the rest of their lives :XD: But... that is seriously so funny. How can you miss the KuroFai? Even as just a friendship pairing (ha), you cannot deny that there is an extremely strong bond that was only made stronger...
Plus, if they're so intent on seeing the KuroTomo/Kuro's parents parallel, then you can go right along and say that these chapters mirror the beginning of the manga where Syaoran was willing to do/give anything to save Sakura's life and no one denies them as a romantic pairing.
OMG, I just got the image of Kuro lying in bed in Nihon. Tomoyo comes in, wearing only some Nihon-style lingerie. (Whatever that is.)
Tomoyo: Hoooney... *seductive look*
Kuro: Waitaminit...
Tomo: ?
Kuro: Lunchtime, remember?
Tomo: *hrmph*
With an evil laughter and in Dracula clothes, Fai jumps in through the window.
Fai: Wherrrre's my prrrrey? *takes a look at Tomoyo* *turns to Kuro* *Bwahahahaha! Feaaaarrr me, mortal! *jumps him and bites his neck*
Kuro: *rolleyes* *sigh* *NOT objecting*
Tomo: *stomps off furiously* Everygoddamntimethishappensitsunbelieva blearrrrgh....
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God, Kjesta, you make my stomach hurt. *tries to breath* This is the second scenario of yours that I've wanted to draw (currently working on the first one)!
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Really? *stares* Woah, I guess I should feel honored now :inlove: I also thought about drawing this one *snicker*
Btw, what's the other one you're drawing? I already forgot ^^"
(Oh, and could someone tell me WTF "foschizzle" means? Syaoran says "What the foschizzle?" in some fic and I just can't find the word in any dictionary :angry:)
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Really? *stares* Woah, I guess I should feel honored now :inlove: I also thought about drawing this one *snicker*
Btw, what's the other one you're drawing? I already forgot ^^"
(Oh, and could someone tell me WTF "foschizzle" means? Syaoran says "What the foschizzle?" in some fic and I just can't find the word in any dictionary :angry:)
LOL. Why would Syaoran say that? Foshizzle isn't a real word, um, I guess it comes from Fo' shizzle which is basically slang invented by rappers or something XD It basically means something like "for real" or a general sort of agreement. *shrug*
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Thank you :wave:
It's from "The Syaoran Chronicles", which is hilarious! I love it to bits. Wait, this is the part the word is from:
Entry#20: Training
Training is hard. Kurogane said that he would train me when I got my sword so I could become a swordsman or whatever. You know, I thought we’d be like, sparring and stuff. But no, no, we go out into the middle of this lake and he’s on the shore with a handful of rocks. I’m standing on this eensy weensy little rock island thing, and he starts chuckin’ these rocks at me, and I’m just like “What the foschizzle?” and I start with my super kicky-moves and all until I feel this HUGE pain in the side of my head and I fall in the water. Then there’s the fact I can’t breath, I feel like I have a concussion and there’s this blood spouting from my head as I’m drifting to the bottom of a lake. I don’t think I like training. So I finally get my wits together and break above the water, and doggy-paddle over to the shore where Kurogane is, and there’s no “sorrys” or any of that crap, just “put this blindfold on and walk home.”. So then I’m wandering through town blind, falling into garbage cans and getting laughed at by every passerby to ensure I’m never respected again. Then I hear like meowing, and I immediately think “Fai and Sakura!” What the hell is wrong with me! So then Ryou-ou, that dork, comes and ruins the whole thing by fighting this oni right next to me and taking the blindfold away. Screw him! So I finally get home, and have to pretend it’s all good in the neighborhood. It’s not good at all.
It's JackHollows on ff.net.
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OMG, I just got the image of Kuro lying in bed in Nihon. Tomoyo comes in, wearing only some Nihon-style lingerie. (Whatever that is.)
Tomoyo: Hoooney... *seductive look*
Kuro: Waitaminit...
Tomo: ?
Kuro: Lunchtime, remember?
Tomo: *hrmph*
With an evil laughter and in Dracula clothes, Fai jumps in through the window.
Fai: Wherrrre's my prrrrey? *takes a look at Tomoyo* *turns to Kuro* *Bwahahahaha! Feaaaarrr me, mortal! *jumps him and bites his neck*
Kuro: *rolleyes* *sigh* *NOT objecting*
Tomo: *stomps off furiously* Everygoddamntimethishappensitsunbelieva blearrrrgh....
OMG thats so hilaruois XDDD
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I think I heard someone trying to come up with ways that Fai will get out of being, ya know, ETERNALLY BOUND to Kuro, through wishes to Yuuko, and I'm thinking, why would he want to get out of it? Love the name change! We need a thread though, for people who still deny that it's canon (since they were apparently just kicked out of this one...), so us KFfans can witness the creativity of the determined mind. If there are any of those people left, that is... There are at least 35 voters out there that need some crow for supper - the hell no-ers, an the "highly unlikely" people.
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As Becster said in an MSN convo I was having with her, even if KuroTomo ever happens, it would be a bit weird to have your lover with another guy latched onto him sucking at his neck drinking his blood for the rest of their lives :XD: But... that is seriously so funny. How can you miss the KuroFai? Even as just a friendship pairing (ha), you cannot deny that there is an extremely strong bond that was only made stronger...
Plus, if they're so intent on seeing the KuroTomo/Kuro's parents parallel, then you can go right along and say that these chapters mirror the beginning of the manga where Syaoran was willing to do/give anything to save Sakura's life. No one denies Syao/Saku as a romantic pairing, so if those shippers want to use that logic of parallels, it can be thrown right back at them~
Hee hee! But it would be weird! ...Hilarious though. Possibly the cause of divorce or a breakup, not that Kuro would really care I reckon...
...And yeah, now it's parallel to Syaoran and Sakura. Giving any price to save someone's life. <3
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Hee hee! But it would be weird! ...Hilarious though. Possibly the cause of divorce or a breakup, not that Kuro would really care I reckon...
...And yeah, now it's parallel to Syaoran and Sakura. Giving any price to save someone's life. <3
I've been wondering about this for a long time. Kurogane is now practically willing to do the same for Fai as Syaoran for Sakura and still so many people are saying "Nah. They're two guys, something like this could also mean deep friendship or such. Nay, not canon."
Why do male characters have to be much more explicit to be a canon pairing? If Fai was a woman, everyone, without exception, would be screaming "canon" now. Why don't they do it now? Just because Fai's male? There are just as many signs for a love as with every het pairing.
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Really? *stares* Woah, I guess I should feel honored now :inlove: I also thought about drawing this one *snicker*
Btw, what's the other one you're drawing? I already forgot ^^"
The one where Fai pounds on Kurogane's chest, telling him he should have let him die and be at peace.
... Well, I took inspiration from it, at least. I'll see if I can show it to you once I'm done.
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The one where Fai pounds on Kurogane's chest, telling him he should have let him die and be at peace.
... Well, I took inspiration from it, at least. I'll see if I can show it to you once I'm done.
OMG, I love you for doing this! If I could give cookies, I would give you a whole bunch now *hugs* Sure you don't wanna be part of my forum family? >/////<
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OMG, I love you for doing this! If I could give cookies, I would give you a whole bunch now *hugs* Sure you don't wanna be part of my forum family? >/////<
Of course I want to. :) Ehum, what should we be? Siblings? Or cousins, just to be different? ^^
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Of course I want to. :) Ehum, what should we be? Siblings? Or cousins, just to be different? ^^
Dunno - you decide :keke: (what about twins? XD)
I just visited tsubasachronicle.net again after a looong time and I just immediately knew again why I didn't like the place - there's an immense lack of KuroFainess, totally. Some talked about "the bopnd thing" between them and I was just going, like, "Gaaawds, it's called LOVE, girl, L-O-V-E!" Heavens, people can be SO ignorant sometimes.
Oh, and this:
"what ever happens i thinks its unlikely that Fay will stay a vampire and if he stay one even for a little while he will be only after kurogane (according to translation) who we all know can defend himself and he won't die as well since he has something to do."
Why should Kurogane even want to defend himself if there's a Fai sucking his neck? XD
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Oh, and this:
"what ever happens i thinks its unlikely that Fay will stay a vampire and if he stay one even for a little while he will be only after kurogane (according to translation) who we all know can defend himself and he won't die as well since he has something to do."
Why should Kurogane even want to defend himself if there's a Fai sucking his neck? XD
XDD Wow, did they totally forget that Kurogane WISHED for Fai to live off his blood?
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Hm, I don't get it either, same-sexed couples having to be so blatantly obvious while it's enough for Fai and Chii to exchange one single semi-hug for everyone to assume they're in love...
Tss. To write something like that you must have been successfully repressed Kurogane's "I'll do anything". And I've never read any folklore suggesting that a vampire can return to normal without dying - why would that be the case with Fai?
Dunno - you decide (what about twins? XD)
Then twins it is! :keke:
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Hm, I don't get it either, same-sexed couples having to be so blatantly obvious while it's enough for Fai and Chii to exchange one single semi-hug for everyone to assume they're in love...
Then twins it is! :keke:
Yup. Ah, twisted world *shakes head sadly*
XDD Wow, did they totally forget that Kurogane WISHED for Fai to live off his blood?
Exactly. I could imagine he even has to force Fai a little to drink his blood because Fai's again in his "I don't want to hurt anybody" mood. Oooh, wouldn't that be a great scene? Fai's getting continually weaker and weaker and Kuro is in the end really POed because he refuses to drink his blood and... er... well, something I still have to come up with happens and yeah XD
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Exactly. I could imagine he even has to force Fai a little to drink his blood because Fai's again in his "I don't want to hurt anybody" mood. Oooh, wouldn't that be a great scene? Fai's getting continually weaker and weaker and Kuro is in the end really POed because he refuses to drink his blood and... er... well, something I still have to come up with happens and yeah XD
I could see that happening too. ^^ I imagine that Kuro will still have a lot to say and teach to Fai about the will to live. Hopefully CLAMP will show us those talks. X3
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I could see that happening too. ^^ I imagine that Kuro will still have a lot to say and teach to Fai about the will to live. Hopefully CLAMP will show us those talks. X3
Hm, I just listen to "Guess how much I love you" and then read your sentence how Kurogane has to teach Fai about the will to live. Suddenly it feels like it's gonna be fluffy and involve lots and lots of flowers XD
Oh, but I picture the scene about that way: Fai has gone up to his and Kuro's room alone to hide the pain he's in (he hasn't drunk any blood yet) from Sakura and maybe R!Syao too. He really coughs miserably and leans against the wall and all of that stuff. Then - tada! - Kuro comes in and sees him and... *thinks hard* somehow convinces him verbally to bite him. Fai gives in finally and when he bites Kuro, the scene blends over to Sakura and Syaoran. So we don't know what happens in the meantime up at Kuro and Fai's and we fangirls can imagine it ourselves XD
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I don't think I'll ever satisfied until I seea full on yaoi scene. :(
I'm so hard to please. Not that I'm not over the moon about 125 ;-)
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As much as I would like to see an angsty Fai, I do think he will feel more up to living now that he has Kurogane and thus won't have to be convinced not to throw away his life (but as you say, Kjesta, Kurogane may have to make sure he drinks his dayly dose of blood). However, something I do think Fai will angst a whole lot about now is how Kuro-pon won't be able to escape from Ashura, once he wake up, if he is to act as Fai's blood supply. Maybe we will have an angsty scene with dramatic lines like "Leave me, Kuro-rin, please save yourself!" - "No! I couldn't live without you!" (so OOC :hehe:)...
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We should have a poll- will Fai be angsty after he recovers?
As to the Fai/Kuro biting thing...is CLAMP really that nice? Will they actually show us Fai biting Kuro somewhere on his body to recieve nourishment? *Grabs tissues from old Kuro/Fai welcome basket and sticks them up her nose* Or will they just hint at it? BeeTrain would show Kuro giving Fai a cup, contents carefully concealed...
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Dunno - you decide :keke: (what about twins? XD)
I just visited tsubasachronicle.net again after a looong time and I just immediately knew again why I didn't like the place - there's an immense lack of KuroFainess, totally. Some talked about "the bopnd thing" between them and I was just going, like, "Gaaawds, it's called LOVE, girl, L-O-V-E!" Heavens, people can be SO ignorant sometimes.
Oh, and this:
"what ever happens i thinks its unlikely that Fay will stay a vampire and if he stay one even for a little while he will be only after kurogane (according to translation) who we all know can defend himself and he won't die as well since he has something to do."
Why should Kurogane even want to defend himself if there's a Fai sucking his neck? XD
I hope I don't offend anyone, but I hate that forum with a passion. Most of the people there are so closeminded it just makes me sad. I am glad I am a member of CW, haha.
Yeah, that is true though. Kurogane won't die because he has something to do. That something being staying alive so that Fai can live too because they are so totally and utterly in luuuurve. How does it even make sense that Kurogane would defend himself from Fai drinking his blood, when he's the one that offered? Anyway, in the context they were talking about, it doesn't matter if Kurogane goes back to Japan because Fai is going with him. They're BOUND. FOR-EV-ER. No matter how many tiny details you try to misconstrue, KURO and FAI will be together for the rest of their lives, even if you don't see them as lovers you have to accept that fact *ohohohoho*
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I hope I don't offend anyone, but I hate that forum with a passion. Most of the people there are so closeminded it just makes me sad. I am glad I am a member of CW, haha.
I didn't want to put it so blatantly, but I have to thoroughly agree. Gosh, those people have 6 pages about 125 and at least 4 of them they're only talking about Cloney and how pure and innocent his love to Sakura is *headdesk*
Yeah, that is true though. Kurogane won't die because he has something to do. That something being staying alive so that Fai can live too because they are so totally and utterly in luuuurve. How does it even make sense that Kurogane would defend himself from Fai drinking his blood, when he's the one that offered? Anyway, in the context they were talking about, it doesn't matter if Kurogane goes back to Japan because Fai is going with him. They're BOUND. FOR-EV-ER. No matter how many tiny details you try to misconstrue, KURO and FAI will be together for the rest of their lives, even if you don't see them as lovers you have to accept that fact *ohohohoho*
Yeah X3 And even they're not real lovers yet, once Fai is sucking his neck or whatever other body part seems right to him, they will be XD
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The fact that some people don't believe that Kurogane and Fye are SO CANON, really drives me up the wall.
How come Fye and Chii can have something going on by just a LOOK they give eachother, and Kurogane, giving his blood willingly to save Fye, because that's his wish- HIS WISH to do so, mean nothing but strong friendship?
Really, it is hilarious that they want to make FyexChii a couple. I see Fye loving Chii like I love my cat- a caring master loving his creation (and probably only true friend). Fye does not seem to me like the one who had many friends, since he continuously keeps pushing people away.
Plus... no one can deny that Fye is in fact gay. I mean.. come on people! I understand that he's handsome, has incredibly beautiful eyes, hair and a misterious air around him-- he calls all the girls- but he is undeniably gay!
Like Mokona said in the Chibi episode (Oekaki Mokona- episode... 37?) Show content
when he introduces Fye as "the scientist teacher who is very popular among the girls but it's a little weird.."
At first I laughed, because Fye is a bit weird- not because he's funny and carefree in ttrue nature, but because he makes himself seem that way to cover his true emotions... but then I thought again.
Maybe Mokona also meant "weird" as in-- Fye not being interested in women? :sweatdrop:
Excuse the overdose of rant--- but here's just a thought I've had for quite a time.
TRC is a mixture of all the CLAMP series and characters- the only newly introduced characters are FyexKurogane- who don't have a manga story of their own.
So.. if TRC is a mixture of all CLAMP series... that would mean that Fye and Kurogane are in a separate manga ( might I add-TOGETHER) and a different storyline not involving Sakura, Syao and Mokona?
If so.... I REALLY HOPE SO! A WHOLE manga dedicated to pure KuroFye lurve!
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Maybe Mokona also meant "weird" as in-- Fye not being interested in women? :sweatdrop:
I think Fai likes women. *dodges a brick from all of the KuroxFai fan* Don't worry I'm a also a recently fan of KuroxFai. It's just that I'm saying that Fai might be interested in women too, just that he likes Kuro-rin much more better. ^o^
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I think Fai likes women. *dodges a brick from all of the KuroxFai fan* Don't worry I'm a also a recently fan of KuroxFai. It's just that I'm saying that Fai might be interested in women too, just that he likes Kuro-rin much more better. ^o^
True, true- sound logical, hi liking women, but Kurogane being too irresistible to pass XD
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The fact that some people don't believe that Kurogane and Fye are SO CANON, really drives me up the wall.
How come Fye and Chii can have something going on by just a LOOK they give eachother, and Kurogane, giving his blood willingly to save Fye, because that's his wish- HIS WISH to do so, mean nothing but strong friendship?
Really, it is hilarious that they want to make FyexChii a couple. I see Fye loving Chii like I love my cat- a caring master loving his creation (and probably only true friend). Fye does not seem to me like the one who had many friends, since he continuously keeps pushing people away.
Plus... no one can deny that Fye is in fact gay. I mean.. come on people! I understand that he's handsome, has incredibly beautiful eyes, hair and a misterious air around him-- he calls all the girls- but he is undeniably gay!
Like Mokona said in the Chibi episode (Oekaki Mokona- episode... 37?) Show content
when he introduces Fye as "the scientist teacher who is very popular among the girls but it's a little weird.."
At first I laughed, because Fye is a bit weird- not because he's funny and carefree in ttrue nature, but because he makes himself seem that way to cover his true emotions... but then I thought again.
Maybe Mokona also meant "weird" as in-- Fye not being interested in women? :sweatdrop:
Excuse the overdose of rant--- but here's just a thought I've had for quite a time.
TRC is a mixture of all the CLAMP series and characters- the only newly introduced characters are FyexKurogane- who don't have a manga story of their own.
So.. if TRC is a mixture of all CLAMP series... that would mean that Fye and Kurogane are in a separate manga ( might I add-TOGETHER) and a different storyline not involving Sakura, Syao and Mokona?
If so.... I REALLY HOPE SO! A WHOLE manga dedicated to pure KuroFye lurve!
YES, Elenath, just YES and AMEN.
Usually I don't like it if you say "that person is gay/whatever" because he acts a little female or weird, but you have to think this is manga. People's personalities get somewhat exaggerated and stronger cliched than in normal books and such. Yes, this is CLAMP, yes, they have unusual, threedimensional and wonderful characters, but I think they've said strongly enough now that Fai is gay. He is to me, and undeniably. Women? Maybe. But not if there's a Kurogane available.
edit: woah, this is my 200th post - what a coincidence must be hitsuzen it's in this thread :haha: Fake cookies and ananas for everyone!
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I hope I don't offend anyone, but I hate that forum with a passion. Most of the people there are so closeminded it just makes me sad. I am glad I am a member of CW, haha.
Yeah, that is true though. Kurogane won't die because he has something to do. That something being staying alive so that Fai can live too because they are so totally and utterly in luuuurve. How does it even make sense that Kurogane would defend himself from Fai drinking his blood, when he's the one that offered? Anyway, in the context they were talking about, it doesn't matter if Kurogane goes back to Japan because Fai is going with him. They're BOUND. FOR-EV-ER. No matter how many tiny details you try to misconstrue, KURO and FAI will be together for the rest of their lives, even if you don't see them as lovers you have to accept that fact *ohohohoho*
Yes, yes, YES! I agree with mela's statement and also Elenath's statements. KuroFai is UNDENIABLE. And closedminded people really bother me too. ><
I really wish CLAMP would give Kuro and Fai their own manga series! Unless you count TRC as really their own manga series. (They're the REAL main characters! X3)
And on an off topic note... how will we distinguish what to discuss on this thread and on the Official KuroxFai couple thread? Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't see the difference... We are proclaiming and arguing that KuroxFai is canon in the manga here, and in the other couple thread we are sharing our love for the couple?? *__*;;
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I think that every CLAMP character is bisexual. They never really put a gender to anything at all, it just doesn't matter whether they are male or female. It's always, "my most important person" and blah blah.
I can picture Fai with women and I can picture Kuro with men (and do, often) but they are undeniably made for each other. And I'm sure they're VERY appreciative of each others bodies.
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yes,it is destiny and NOBODY can act against it !
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Yes, yes, YES! I agree with mela's statement and also Elenath's statements. KuroFai is UNDENIABLE. And closedminded people really bother me too. ><
Heh. A while ago we had an entry on fandom_wank- some girl wrote a very tl;dr anti-slash rant, which basically boiled down to:
1) Every character is straight until proven otherwise- becuse, y'know, it's not like you couldn't replace most of the TB and X/1999 dialogue with "GAYGAYGAYANGSTGAYTHROATLICKINGANGSTGAYG AYGAY"
2) If a vagina isn't involved then the pairing doesn't interest me because I can't identify with it- which is...kinda sad. What, my ability to identify with a character depends on their genitalia?
Also? It's probably the Mary-Sue factor. I mean, Chii has shown in what, a chapter? And we haven't seen much of TRC!Tomoyo (Rin from Inuyasha suffers from the same problem). And Fay actually has a character (and a damned slippery one to write, too), so it's very easy to give their names to whatever Maru-Sue the "OMG i wrot this in 20 min on 3:40 AM after eating tonns of sugar OMG Im so hYPPER LOLOLL!!!11!!R+R" crowd wrote.
:BangHead:...it hurts to write like that.
And it's very annoying, 'cause Tomoyo? Friggin' ROCKS. Wouldn't know about Chii, but I'd assume she's cooler than the "wilting flower who'll melt Fay's breaking heart" that is 90% of the Fay/Chii fics on FFNet. :protest:
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*stares at the title of this thread and laughs*
Time to gloat, people! =3
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I hope I don't offend anyone, but I hate that forum with a passion. Most of the people there are so closeminded it just makes me sad. I am glad I am a member of CW, haha.
I am so with you! I visited that forum weeks ago and i was about to register but i did not after reading the thread in which the author asked whether Fai was gay or not. And i was shocked to see that most of the replies were "NO! NO WAY!" or "HE's too hot to be gay!". Most of the responses were probably made by 12 year old fanboys with absolutely no knowledge of the manga whatsoever. Not to mention the homophobia in the forum was horrific and excessive! But there are a few members that are very pro-KuroxFai and i'm glad about that but we seriouslly need more people there to defend this pairing. I'm going to join that forum and show those people that KuroxFai is more than just "friends".
Of course, i apologize if anyone likes that forum. But to me, it seems too conservative. IT's like the opposite of CW.
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I am so with you! I visited that forum weeks ago and i was about to register but i did not after reading the thread in which the author asked whether Fai was gay or not. And i was shocked to see that most of the replies were "NO! NO WAY!" or "HE's too hot to be gay!". Most of the responses were probably made by 12 year old fanboys with absolutely no knowledge of the manga whatsoever. Not to mention the homophobia in the forum was horrific and excessive! But there are a few members that are very pro-KuroxFai and i'm glad about that but we seriouslly need more people there to defend this pairing. I'm going to join that forum and show those people that KuroxFai is more than just "friends".
Of course, i apologize if anyone likes that forum. But to me, it seems too conservative. IT's like the opposite of CW.
That's a great idea, I've thought about it too - all KF fangirls from here could move the party to their forum to show them how canon KuroFai truly is XD We'll invade them *__*
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That's a great idea, I've thought about it too - all KF fangirls from here could move the party to their forum to show them how canon KuroFai truly is XD We'll invade them *__*
Thanks for agreeing with me! If only the rest of the people here will come along because everyone here seems to be really intelligent and good at writing and proving the fact that Kurogane and Fai are canon. We just need them there as well.
I just read the topic over at Tsubasa Forum. "What do you think about Kurogane & Tomoyo? " and it seems like there's only one KuroxFai fan in that thread defending the pairing!! But it seems like she's winning though because the KuroTomo fans don't seem to have many proof to depict or support themselves. BTW, the KuroFai fan i'm talking about is Ayumixxx. Let's go over and blast them away. Those anti-kurofai aren't as strong as we think they are!
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Thanks for agreeing with me! If only the rest of the people here will come along because everyone here seems to be really intelligent and good at writing and proving the fact that Kurogane and Fai are canon. We just need them there as well.
You know... that's a really GREAT idea. Now that really would be defending the KuroxFai love all over! Of course I wouldn't be able to write much... I'd just be sitting on the sidelines and cheering. But we really do have good writers here who defend our couple most intelligently. With all the evidence, it's not too hard I suppose. ^_~
I can't believe there's only 1 user in that forum who supports KF. ;__; But I laugh at the fact that the one KuroFai fan is winning against the many Kuro and Tomoyo fangirls. X3 But would we get kicked off that forum for joining just for that purpose? XD;;
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You know... that's a really GREAT idea. Now that really would be defending the KuroxFai love all over! Of course I wouldn't be able to write much... I'd just be sitting on the sidelines and cheering. But we really do have good writers here who defend our couple most intelligently. With all the evidence, it's not too hard I suppose. ^_~
I can't believe there's only 1 user in that forum who supports KF. ;__; But I laugh at the fact that the one KuroFai fan is winning against the many Kuro and Tomoyo fangirls. X3 But would we get kicked off that forum for joining just for that purpose? XD;;
That made me lmao too XD
And we don't neccessarily have to tell them we only joined to spread the KuroFainess, do we? XD
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You know... that's a really GREAT idea. Now that really would be defending the KuroxFai love all over! Of course I wouldn't be able to write much... I'd just be sitting on the sidelines and cheering. But we really do have good writers here who defend our couple most intelligently. With all the evidence, it's not too hard I suppose. ^_~
I can't believe there's only 1 user in that forum who supports KF. ;__; But I laugh at the fact that the one KuroFai fan is winning against the many Kuro and Tomoyo fangirls. X3 But would we get kicked off that forum for joining just for that purpose? XD;;
I don't think we'll be kicked/banned because there are KuroTomo fans or simply anti-KuroFai fans who's comments were really unthinkably offensive and well, simply ignorant about everything and they are not being banned. In addition, it seems like a few moderators are KUroFai fans too. it's just the members there who are against the pairing. So we need more KUroFai supporters there.
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anyone knoe of a Live Evel dude by the name of "gumbabloom"? he's quite rude about the kurofai people, and the post he made about the panel, he made us sound like we're all insane. id SO love to shove this chapter down his throat. even if its not love, its an uinbreakable bond between them now XD
*points at new banner*
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I don't think we'll be kicked/banned because there are KuroTomo fans or simply anti-KuroFai fans who's comments were really unthinkably offensive and well, simply ignorant about everything and they are not being banned. In addition, it seems like a few moderators are KUroFai fans too. it's just the members there who are against the pairing. So we need more KUroFai supporters there.
Agreed *nod nod*
So, all you KuroFai fangirls out there: (and I KNOW you're out there, I hear you breathe!) help us fight the evil powers of KuroTomo on Clow Legacy and spread the canon! Take your pineapples and gardenia, walk in singing our hymn and teach them the canon dance! Let the converting begin XD
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This is getting way off-topic. ^^;; If you want to conspire against another forum, which I have no problem with, please do it through PM. This thread is for talking about Kuro and Fai and 'canon', not for worrying about what some idiots still are or aren't saying somewhere else. Some people are too filled with their own ignorance to ever see what's in front of their own eyes.
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Sorry, Sakaki. We'll try to stay on-topic now.
CAAAAAANON! Anyone wanna dance, sing and eat pineapples? :sweatdrop: (By the way, somewhere I wrote "ananas" a little earlier, that's the German word for pineapple - sorry for confusing the words!)
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Waaa, yes, lets. I just went over there, and it's SCAAARY! (said in Fai-whine) There are people talking about how maybe Kuro'll kill fai in the end, like it's a good thing! WAAAAA! I came running back here, to all my nice fellow KuroxFai-ers...
On TOPIC: The one point most people seem to have to point to the unimportance of the chappie is that Kuro would've done it for Sakura or Syao if they were in Fai's position. Sure he would've. Hell, he'd have done it for Mokona if push came to shove (you know he secretly adores the manjuu). Theoretically. The POINT is, he DID do it for Fai. This situation wasn't a twist of fate, it was pre-planned by authors who have a story to tell. This is the story they want to tell, the one where
Kurogane saves Fai's life;
Convinces Fai that he has something to live for;
Becomes bound to Fai for all ETERNITY!
And enjoys the mage sucking meals off him
So, umm, there.
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Waaa, yes, lets. I just went over there, and it's SCAAARY! (said in Fai-whine) There are people talking about how maybe Kuro'll kill fai in the end, like it's a good thing! WAAAAA! I came running back here, to all my nice fellow KuroxFai-ers...
We could take the KF fans' money for tours over there where they'll get the horror show of their lifes XD
On TOPIC: The one point most people seem to have to point to the unimportance of the chappie is that Kuro would've done it for Sakura or Syao if they were in Fai's position. Sure he would've. Hell, he'd have done it for Mokona if push came to shove (you know he secretly adores the manjuu). Theoretically. The POINT is, he DID do it for Fai. This situation wasn't a twist of fate, it was pre-planned by authors who have a story to tell. This is the story they want to tell, the one where
Kurogane saves Fai's life;
Convinces Fai that he has something to live for;
Becomes bound to Fai for all ETERNITY!
And enjoys the mage sucking meals off him
So, umm, there.
Well, I'm sure he'd have done it for Sakura or Syaoran too, but the atmosphere would've been completely different. The whole tension would be gone if it was Sakura lying there. Wouldn't it? It'd be just so boring and... you know. Just wouldn't pull off nicely.
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Waaa, yes, lets. I just went over there, and it's SCAAARY! (said in Fai-whine) There are people talking about how maybe Kuro'll kill fai in the end, like it's a good thing! WAAAAA! I came running back here, to all my nice fellow KuroxFai-ers...
WHY THE HECK WOULD KUROGANE KILL FAI AFTER MAKING SUCH A HUGE DEAL ABOUT WANTING HIM TO LIVE? They are misinterpreting what Kurogane said. But at this point I am so not threatened by the naysayers that it's not even funny. Canon is canon is canon, no matter what they say. They can whine all they want about how Kurogane hates Fai and Fai is going to die and whatever, but we all know the truth~
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WHY THE HECK WOULD KUROGANE KILL FAI AFTER MAKING SUCH A HUGE DEAL ABOUT WANTING HIM TO LIVE? They are misinterpreting what Kurogane said. But at this point I am so not threatened by the naysayers that it's not even funny. Canon is canon is canon, no matter what they say. They can whine all they want about how Kurogane hates Fai and Fai is going to die and whatever, but we all know the truth~
Yeah. Someone should make a banner with KuroFai and "Can't escape the gay" or "Can't escape the canon".
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If only I could draw, I'd do a little animated gif:
A cannon, pointing left, then right, then dead center - Boom! a banner of Kuro-Fai love spreads over the screen :"You can't escape it!" It looks so nice in my head... :(
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Waaa, yes, lets. I just went over there, and it's SCAAARY! (said in Fai-whine) There are people talking about how maybe Kuro'll kill fai in the end, like it's a good thing! WAAAAA! I came running back here, to all my nice fellow KuroxFai-ers...
On TOPIC: The one point most people seem to have to point to the unimportance of the chappie is that Kuro would've done it for Sakura or Syao if they were in Fai's position. Sure he would've. Hell, he'd have done it for Mokona if push came to shove (you know he secretly adores the manjuu). Theoretically. The POINT is, he DID do it for Fai. This situation wasn't a twist of fate, it was pre-planned by authors who have a story to tell. This is the story they want to tell, the one where
Kurogane saves Fai's life;
Convinces Fai that he has something to live for;
Becomes bound to Fai for all ETERNITY!
And enjoys the mage sucking meals off him
So, umm, there.
How rude of them- but let's face it, they're being poopie-heads because they KNOW Kurogane and Fye were destined for eachother!! XD
You're right, CLAMP had the power to have Kurogane save Sakura/Syao/Mokona, even, instead of Fye! But they chose the later (and what a great decision!)
Thing is, this is the way it is, and the naysayers didn't like it- HA too bad for them, served them right for beings o rude.
On one side. I hear a lot of things like: One is born with a special goal in life, no matter how small or how big, it is your sole task to fulfill in your life- it comes soon or later, it comes in ways you will never expect, but it comes.
Even if it is to give a smile to a stranger whose life has been miserable, you achieved that goal by making someone happy.
Only you can fulfill it.
As strongly as Syaoran's purpose in life was to save Sakura's life by returning ehr feathers- In this case, I dare say that Kurogane's purpose in his life was to meet up with Fye and save his life, teach him that it's alright to live a bit selfishly and want to be happy again.
As Fye was born to save C!Syaoran's heart and show Kurogane the real meaning of strength.
Ahh.. it all makes perfect and harmonous sence!
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I think that every CLAMP character is bisexual. They never really put a gender to anything at all, it just doesn't matter whether they are male or female. It's always, "my most important person" and blah blah.
I can picture Fai with women and I can picture Kuro with men (and do, often) but they are undeniably made for each other. And I'm sure they're VERY appreciative of each others bodies.
Actually, I really disagree with this. I don't think every CLAMP character is bisexual... actually, I can't come up with *any* CLAMP character off the top of my head that is shown without question to be bisexual. If anyone can, I'd like to hear it. (And Touya/Kaho/Yukito is negated in my opinion because adolescence is a very 'in-between' age for everything.. just look at the scene where he's telling his father about it, and how awkward and confused he is about the whole thing, and the fact that Kaho kept telling him he'd find the one for him. He just needed to find his Yukito. And Kamui/Kotori/Fuuma is very friendship/sibling/questionably romantic kind of 'love'. Personally I don't see Kamui ever romantically attached to Kotori at all, only the other way around on Kotori's side.) CLAMP characters have a given gender and how they act and react to each other does depend on their gender. If you said that CLAMP is open to showing all kinds of love, whether its male/female, male/male, male/angel (in Wish ^^; ), student/teacher relationships, etc... that would be true. I think that's a very important theme running through most of their manga. I don't see how that makes every CLAMP character bisexual. Actually considering CLAMP's idea of 'soulmates' that they've made clear in Tsubasa, they've shown that every person has a 'special person just for them' (to be quoting Chobits o_O). And that one special person would have to be male or female (or, well, angel, or genderless clone, etc, in a few special situations..) ... it couldn't be both, could it? CLAMP's idea of 'destiny' itself I think nulls the fact that every character could be bisexual, if they are made for one special person, and no one else...
I think Kuro and Fai are both very male in their own personal ways and they're both very very gay. XD And Fai *is* interested in women... the same way he's interested in Sakura. As in, "This is my cute little sister/daughter and her name is Sakura-chan and isn't she just so cute with her cute little boyfriend? Now excuse me while me and Kuro-pon go in the back room, and, eh, 'discuss some important business'..." ^___^;;
And I actually don't think Kuro would have done the same thing for Syaoran or Sakura. Yes, he would have tried to save them as much as he possibly could, but he *never* would have taken it as *personal* as he did saving Fai. He never even asked if there was another way, or even cared what *Fai's* opinion was, and I dare say that if anyone else would have offered to pay the price instead, he would have told them 'hell no'. I can't see him doing that for anyone else. That's just me....
Yeah, and anyone who denies they're gay at this point is obviously delusional. XD
Um... okay, I think I'm done ranting here. *checks* Yeah, I'm done... seriously.... *runs away back to my naughty wife* It's all her fault.... I swear...
And I realize I'm several pages behind topic.... and this post was really really long.... o__x;;
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And I actually don't think Kuro would have done the same thing for Syaoran or Sakura. Yes, he would have tried to save them as much as he possibly could, but he *never* would have taken it as *personal* as he did saving Fai. He never even asked if there was another way, or even cared what *Fai's* opinion was, and I dare say that if anyone else would have offered to pay the price instead, he would have told them 'hell no'. I can't see him doing that for anyone else. That's just me....
Yeah, and anyone who denies they're gay at this point is obviously delusional. XD
I agree wholeheartedly (with all of your post but this part was the main thing I wanted to talk about, haha). I don't think Kurogane would have acted in quite the same manner if it had been someone else. Not considering if it had been someone else they probably would have died from shock, but Kurogane's connection with Sakura or Syaoran isn't exactly the same. I can't even imagine Kurogane getting as emotional over the kids, as much as he cares for them. Plus, if it had been Syaoran or Sakura in that situation, someone else would have made the wish. Kurogane wouldn't have been the one who would ask Yuuko for a wish for one of the kids, considering that there are other people who would be able to do it. Kurogane would help them in any way he could, but not to the extent he was pretty much willing to do ANYTHING to save Fai, no matter what the cost.
And people who still deny the gayness are just... lol.
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Actually, I really disagree with this. I don't think every CLAMP character is bisexual... actually, I can't come up with *any* CLAMP character off the top of my head that is shown without question to be bisexual. If anyone can, I'd like to hear it. (And Touya/Kaho/Yukito is negated in my opinion because adolescence is a very 'in-between' age for everything.. just look at the scene where he's telling his father about it, and how awkward and confused he is about the whole thing, and the fact that Kaho kept telling him he'd find the one for him. He just needed to find his Yukito. And Kamui/Kotori/Fuuma is very friendship/sibling/questionably romantic kind of 'love'. Personally I don't see Kamui ever romantically attached to Kotori at all, only the other way around on Kotori's side.) CLAMP characters have a given gender and how they act and react to each other does depend on their gender. If you said that CLAMP is open to showing all kinds of love, whether its male/female, male/male, male/angel (in Wish ^^; ), student/teacher relationships, etc... that would be true. I think that's a very important theme running through most of their manga. I don't see how that makes every CLAMP character bisexual. Actually considering CLAMP's idea of 'soulmates' that they've made clear in Tsubasa, they've shown that every person has a 'special person just for them' (to be quoting Chobits o_O). And that one special person would have to be male or female (or, well, angel, or genderless clone, etc, in a few special situations..) ... it couldn't be both, could it? CLAMP's idea of 'destiny' itself I think nulls the fact that every character could be bisexual, if they are made for one special person, and no one else...
I think Kuro and Fai are both very male in their own personal ways and they're both very very gay. XD And Fai *is* interested in women... the same way he's interested in Sakura. As in, "This is my cute little sister/daughter and her name is Sakura-chan and isn't she just so cute with her cute little boyfriend? Now excuse me while me and Kuro-pon go in the back room, and, eh, 'discuss some important business'..." ^___^;;
And I actually don't think Kuro would have done the same thing for Syaoran or Sakura. Yes, he would have tried to save them as much as he possibly could, but he *never* would have taken it as *personal* as he did saving Fai. He never even asked if there was another way, or even cared what *Fai's* opinion was, and I dare say that if anyone else would have offered to pay the price instead, he would have told them 'hell no'. I can't see him doing that for anyone else. That's just me....
Yeah, and anyone who denies they're gay at this point is obviously delusional. XD
Um... okay, I think I'm done ranting here. *checks* Yeah, I'm done... seriously.... *runs away back to my naughty wife* It's all her fault.... I swear...
And I realize I'm several pages behind topic.... and this post was really really long.... o__x;;
*bows down to my wife for a seriously awesome post* ^_______^ Oooh.. *bows more* XD
I agree with everything said above. Kuro and Fai are all male, all gay, the end. And hell no, Kuro wouldn't have given up his own blood for any of the rest of them. Kuro and Fai are both selfish in a way. They would only tie the other to them forever like that.
*runs off with my Pikari-chan.. to a back room, or something like that....* XD XD
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Uhm... Are you psychic or something? XDD
Totally psychic ;)
HAH, I found chapter 125 late, since I was away for the weekend, and low and behold, I return to find the wonder that is chapter 125. I'm so happy. I don't care what the desperate nay-sayers proclaim, it is so CANON. "His companion's feelings have reached him"?
Oh, I'm sure Clamp meant his feelings of anger. *rolls eyes*
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he would have tried to save them as much as he possibly could, but he *never* would have taken it as *personal* as he did saving Fai. He never even asked if there was another way, or even cared what *Fai's* opinion was, and I dare say that if anyone else would have offered to pay the price instead, he would have told them 'hell no'. I can't see him doing that for anyone else. That's just me....
I don't disagree. It sorta brings the point home for me- had CLAMP decided to put Sakura/Syaoran/Mokona in Fai's position, there would have been others willing to step in; it wouldn't fall solely on Kuro. I do think that Kuro would go to any lengths to save the kids as well as Fai though. He's their daddy after all. But, that would just taste funny in the story. Let's see, if it were Syaoran, Syaoran wouldn't die, because he "has something he must do" or whatever. He wouldn't lose the will to live, and therefore wouldn't need any help, but if he did, Sakura would do something. If it were Sakura, Syaoran would (did) pay the price. If it were Mokona, Yuuko probably would step in and do the job. Everyone has someone who "wouldn't want them to disappear," to qoute Holic. This chapter makes the point that Kuro is Fai's "someone." And to agree with you, I don't think he would have gotten as emotional if it were anyone but Fai.
My only point was that just because he MIGHT do it for someone else doesn't negate the importance that he DID do it for Fai.
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My only point was that just because he MIGHT do it for someone else doesn't negate the importance that he DID do it for Fai.
Yep, definitely don't disagree with you there.
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And I actually don't think Kuro would have done the same thing for Syaoran or Sakura. Yes, he would have tried to save them as much as he possibly could, but he *never* would have taken it as *personal* as he did saving Fai. He never even asked if there was another way, or even cared what *Fai's* opinion was, and I dare say that if anyone else would have offered to pay the price instead, he would have told them 'hell no'. I can't see him doing that for anyone else. That's just me....
indeed, i mean, look back at outo, when he first heard that fai was killed by seishirou. hislook was WAAY darker than it was when seishiro told him ke also killed syaoran. hell, he SMIRKED when seshrio told him htat, but when mokona told him fai was dead, his look was absolutly MURDEROUS> ^_^ [not aws murderous as his look in ch 124 tho. now THAT was SCAAAARY O_O]
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That, Pikari, is a BEAUTIFUL post, and exactly what I have been saying the whole time. <3 Thank you, dear.
So loves, should I lock the poll? We don't want any bitter KuroTomo fans coming and destroying the vote, do we. XD
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heh, you ought to lock it. the naysayers might come in and taint it just to spite us XP
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...I'm beginning to find that TRC is dragging along... OK, so what happens from here? Fye becomes a vampire. Creepy. He sucks blood. Kurogane's blood. Most of the excited and climaxing momentum has gone for me... perhaps because the whole KxF fandom is screaming and saying, "Yes, yes, yes!!!! It's canon!!!! See? Go eat dust!!!" and stuff like that...
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And seriously, I won't be convinced it's canon unless I see a kiss or a love confession.
Hm. I saw this in those...other.. forums whose name will not be mentioned. What do you guys think of this? Is it just me who thinks it is weird that the person who wrote that they're not convinced it is canon unless there is a kiss or a love confession is a huge Kurogane/Tomoyo fan?
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..I'm beginning to find that TRC is dragging along... OK, so what happens from here? Fye becomes a vampire. Creepy. He sucks blood. Kurogane's blood. Most of the excited and climaxing momentum has gone for me... perhaps because the whole KxF fandom is screaming and saying, "Yes, yes, yes!!!! It's canon!!!! See? Go eat dust!!!" and stuff like that...
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And seriously, I won't be convinced it's canon unless I see a kiss or a love confession.
Hm. I saw this in those...other.. forums whose name will not be mentioned. What do you guys think of this? Is it just me who thinks it is weird that the person who wrote that they're not convinced it is canon unless there is a kiss or a love confession is a huge Kurogane/Tomoyo fan?
what a lameass that person <_<. sounds to me like a kuro-tomo person, theyre rather ignorant if they miss the bright flashing signs this chapter gives off
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what a lameass that person <_<. sounds to me like a kuro-tomo person, theyre rather ignorant if they miss the bright flashing signs this chapter gives off
I think the main issue I have is not that this person is a KuroTomo fan, but that they're saying they don't consider a couple canon unless they see a kiss/love confession. I just want to know why they consider KuroTomo canon then, if neither Kurogane nor Tomoyo have declared their love for the other, and they definitely haven't kissed. -_-
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Eh, and I think Fai sucking Kuro's blood for the rest of his life might actually be more intimate than kissing. ^^; Or well, to vampires anyway it's like... um, nevermind. ^^;;;
Definitely more intimate than kissing. I mean, you don't have to show love through a kiss or confession. I mean, it's obvious Syaoran and Sakura love each other (Sakura is beginning to fall in love with Syaoran again, I believe) yet this love is 'destined'. Okay, Sakura was going to confess, but the point of fact is that they cared about each other and - as Syaoran proved - would go to great lengths to keep the other safe.
What Kurogane has done mirrors that. He does care for Fai, as has been shown on occasion (you don't try so hard to remove someone's mask if you don't care about what you'll find underneath), and now he's tied his life to Fai's in order to save him. If anything, I think this is possibly more intimate and determined than what Syaoran chose to do for Sakura. He chose to go and retrieve her feathers, no matter how hard it would be, in order to save her life.
Kurogane has bonded himself to Fai for all eternity to keep him safe. He's willing to give up his blood on a regular basis to keep Fai alive (and trust me, I've been anaemic before...I'm not saying that Kurogane will become anaemic, but it's a possibility...and anaemia is not fun. You're constantly tired, weak, everything is a effort, you're pale, sick...and although in some cases it's treatable and easy to get rid of, it's not fun. Sadly my anaemia is only held at bay XD Stupid Lupus...), and this means he'll have to keep Fai by his side until they naturally die or...whatever.
Basically, it's a far bigger and more intimate price than Syaoran paid. Showing someone you care by going to that length is more of a love confession to me than anything. It's a far more hard-hitting confession; you don't have to confess to love in order to prove you love someone. The things you do, and the lengths you go to for them can often be enough...So in my mind; Kurogane has confessed to Fai. Just not in the conventional 'I love you' speech.
...As for the kissing...well. We'll have to wait and see. :D
(...Was that on topic, or was I just spouting nonsense?)
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No, wait, they provided interesting links though-> KuroTomo vs KuroFai debate (and for once its not wanky).
Part 1. http://ninjatrauma.livejournal.com/46173.html
Part 2. http://ninjatrauma.livejournal.com/69567.html
You may not agree to everything it says, but its a good read, and very well thought out. Of course, this was BEFORE the blatant subtext of chapter 120+ :haha:
Love your essay, Becster!
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Oops, Becster, I was editing my post and didn't get it back up in time. So in case anyone wonders, this was what she was quoting:
Um... the title of this thread reads 'The official canon gloating thread'. Let's try and keep to that and leave the crap that is being allowed in other forums over in those other forums. It hasn't been allowed here, and won't be. ^^
Eh, and I think Fai sucking Kuro's blood for the rest of his life might actually be more intimate than kissing. ^^; Or well, to vampires anyway it's like... um, nevermind. ^^;;;
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Beckster, your little speach there makes me think back, my htoery on kurogane's price seems to be half right. kuro would need his blood to be strong, and giving it to fai regualry would make him weak, there for, in a way, he;s giving up his strength to ensure that fai lives ^_^
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Eh, and I think Fai sucking Kuro's blood for the rest of his life might actually be more intimate than kissing. ^^; Or well, to vampires anyway it's like... um, nevermind. ^^;;;
I was just about to say that, actually. They have, like, a blood bond now. *nod nod*
But... About the feeding... How are they gonna pull that off? I mean, do vampires from Tsubasa actually stick their fangs in someone's neck? Or does Kurogane simply cut his arm again, to let Fai suck drink the blood?
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Eh, and I think Fai sucking Kuro's blood for the rest of his life might actually be more intimate than kissing. ^^; Or well, to vampires anyway it's like... um, nevermind. ^^;;;
I thought that too XD Well, who needs kissing if we know what that whole blood sucking business means? *g*
I was just about to say that, actually. They have, like, a blood bond now. *nod nod*
But... About the feeding... How are they gonna pull that off? I mean, do vampires from Tsubasa actually stick their fangs in someone's neck? Or does Kurogane simply cut his arm again, to let Fai suck drink the blood?
Hm, I like both varieties, but the neck-bite one is my favourite - for obvious reasons :D
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OKay, again I use authorial intent to prove a point- I read those links, and what is said makes some sense. However. The K/T fan keeps mentioning that Tomoyo sent Kuro away. Why did she send him away? To learn strength. Now, said fan argues that Tomoyo expects Kuro to learn said strength and then come back to her. But, last week's splash page, "he begins to understand the reason he fights," makes me think that Tomoyo sent Kuro to find Fai, that caring for Fai is the strength he was meant to find. I think that's what she intended all along. I think she knew. And is sitting in Nihon oho-ing the couple. Because, as has been stated numerous times, Tomoyo is gay. She likes girls. I feel like she treats Kuro much the way she treated Syao in CCS. She's helping him to find his true feelings. For someone else. And, as someone else said a long time ago, it seems rather anticlimactic for him to go on this journey and then just come back to Japan, marry the princess, and blahblahblah, esp. now that he'll have Fai in tow, and that would just be weeeiiird. Esp. seems how NObody is denying that Fai loves Kuro. I'm rambling....
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Ahahahah! I can just see Tomoyo sitting at a table, her eyes closed in a trance, and suddenly going "Ohohohohoho!"
Souma: P-princess Tomoyo? what happened? O_o
Tomoyo: Kurogane just formed an unbreakable bond with his true love! Ohohoh! I'm so clever!
Souma: ...
Tomoyo: If I ever meet this Fai person, I'll be sure to design a wonderful outfit for him! Something to fit his new vampire look! *starts sketching*
Souma: Errr...
Tomoyo: What are you waiting for, Souma? Start arranging the wedding!
Yes, yes. Even Tomoyo is gloating now. Muahahahah!
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Personally, I'd have to say they already ARE cannon. The people who refuse to see it would deny it unless it was blatant and completely in their face. Even then they might.
All along, Fai and Kurogane have been paired up. It's been in the artwork and covers...with Fai usually either very close or even touching Kurogane's arm. Kurogane has watched Fai like a hawk and that has been evident in both the anime and the manga.
When you start getting into recent chapters, it becomes very evident to anybody with even a remotely open mind. Kurogane's talk with Fai for one thing. Yes, he talks to Syoaran but he kind of shrugs and accepts Syraoran's behavior even when it isn't something he likes. With Fai, he gets irritated and narrows his eyes and tries to talk to Fai about it.
In the latest chapter...a detail people may have missed is that Kurogane HOLDS Fai the entire time. Why? The bed is there. Pillows are there if Fai's head needed to be raised. Yet throughout the entire chapter, Kurogane remains there holding Fai instead of setting him down. In one picture, Kurogane's other hand is resting on Fai's chest.
Let me tell you...I cannot see a straight guy, no matter how close to another male buddy, holding him and resting his hands on their chest. Sorry, wouldn't happen.
Even barring that interpretation of it (admitting I'm a FaixKuro fan here) ....
Kuorgane, suspicious as he is, asks the witch if Fai can be saved. Then he's willing to do anything to save him. He not only becomes responsible for Fai's life but also binds himself to him, tangibly, for the rest of their lives. So he now has an emotional responsibility for Fai's life but a physical one as well...now being Fai's "food source". And he does it willingly and without hesitation.
I cannot truly see him doing that for Shoaran or Sakura. Yes, he'd fight for them. Probably die to protect them...and no doubt would go a long way to save them if he could. But somehow, I simply can't see him willing to bind himself for the entirety of their lives to either of them. This goes beyond fighting for someone or dying to protect them. This becomes a life time commitment to them. And Kurogane chose this...knowing that from here on out, he and Fai will ALWAYS be together.
Truthfully, I can't see any potential other partners willing to "share" like that. If either Fai or Kurogane were to be with other people romatically, they would have to accept that Fai and Kurogane have both a physical and emotional bond unlike any other. In some ways, this binds them CLOSER than even a typical romantic bond. How many people can say they are literally dependent for their lives on their partner? How many people can say that they are responsible for their partner...not just the standard level but as a magickal price for a wish? That pretty much becomes something of a geas. While there are people out there who could share in that manner, it's few and far between and I can't see it happening here.
Unless, in some bizarre twist, Clamp shows a TRUE other pairing for either Fai or Kurogane...I think it's pretty much canon at this point. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next chapter, though.
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Personally, I'd have to say they already ARE cannon. The people who refuse to see it would deny it unless it was blatant and completely in their face. Even then they might.
All along, Fai and Kurogane have been paired up. It's been in the artwork and covers...with Fai usually either very close or even touching Kurogane's arm. Kurogane has watched Fai like a hawk and that has been evident in both the anime and the manga.
When you start getting into recent chapters, it becomes very evident to anybody with even a remotely open mind. Kurogane's talk with Fai for one thing. Yes, he talks to Syoaran but he kind of shrugs and accepts Syraoran's behavior even when it isn't something he likes. With Fai, he gets irritated and narrows his eyes and tries to talk to Fai about it.
In the latest chapter...a detail people may have missed is that Kurogane HOLDS Fai the entire time. Why? The bed is there. Pillows are there if Fai's head needed to be raised. Yet throughout the entire chapter, Kurogane remains there holding Fai instead of setting him down. In one picture, Kurogane's other hand is resting on Fai's chest.
Let me tell you...I cannot see a straight guy, no matter how close to another male buddy, holding him and resting his hands on their chest. Sorry, wouldn't happen.
Even barring that interpretation of it (admitting I'm a FaixKuro fan here) ....
Kuorgane, suspicious as he is, asks the witch if Fai can be saved. Then he's willing to do anything to save him. He not only becomes responsible for Fai's life but also binds himself to him, tangibly, for the rest of their lives. So he now has an emotional responsibility for Fai's life but a physical one as well...now being Fai's "food source". And he does it willingly and without hesitation.
I cannot truly see him doing that for Shoaran or Sakura. Yes, he'd fight for them. Probably die to protect them...and no doubt would go a long way to save them if he could. But somehow, I simply can't see him willing to bind himself for the entirety of their lives to either of them. This goes beyond fighting for someone or dying to protect them. This becomes a life time commitment to them. And Kurogane chose this...knowing that from here on out, he and Fai will ALWAYS be together.
Truthfully, I can't see any potential other partners willing to "share" like that. If either Fai or Kurogane were to be with other people romatically, they would have to accept that Fai and Kurogane have both a physical and emotional bond unlike any other. In some ways, this binds them CLOSER than even a typical romantic bond. How many people can say they are literally dependent for their lives on their partner? How many people can say that they are responsible for their partner...not just the standard level but as a magickal price for a wish? That pretty much becomes something of a geas. While there are people out there who could share in that manner, it's few and far between and I can't see it happening here.
Unless, in some bizarre twist, Clamp shows a TRUE other pairing for either Fai or Kurogane...I think it's pretty much canon at this point. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next chapter, though.
Woah, this is one of the most beautiful posts I've ever read. Love you for this, really. *hands you a bowl of fake cookies and a pineapple*
And, you know, guys... Even after this chapter, I've still been a little cautious. What if CLAMP don't have them as pairing, though? What if it really is only deep friendship? Would be terrible. But everytime I read anything like this, I just feel like: OMG. Canon, guys, you're right. Hitsuzen, it's destined to be. Yeah!
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And, you know, guys... Even after this chapter, I've still been a little cautious. What if CLAMP don't have them as pairing, though? What if it really is only deep friendship? Would be terrible. But everytime I read anything like this, I just feel like: OMG. Canon, guys, you're right. Hitsuzen, it's destined to be. Yeah
I have that horrible feeling sometimes too. Reading the posts here always make things better. :)
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That was one hell of a first post, lynalar. I love you. Everything you said was perfect. They ARE bound together now, and any other conceivable pairing would have to acknowledge that. I gave you a cookie for it.
So, if anybody should be yelling "_____ forever!!" it's the KF fans, since they actually WILL be together forever, like it or not XD
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And, you know, guys... Even after this chapter, I've still been a little cautious. What if CLAMP don't have them as pairing, though? What if it really is only deep friendship? Would be terrible. But everytime I read anything like this, I just feel like: OMG. Canon, guys, you're right. Hitsuzen, it's destined to be. Yeah!
No, I think they will be a pairing - unless something goes tragically wrong in later chapters (we still dont know the whole story - any of the story, really - on Ashura, and this might affect it.). And even then, I think it would still be KuroFai. Even if the ending was infinately depressing and they both died or something D':
CLAMP arent the type to just go down the good friends route. I honestly cant see it ending up with Fai and Kuro paired with anyone else than each other.
Seriously. They're blood bound together forever. How can either of them be with anyone else?
and *applauds lynalar* very nice post.
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Yup, agree with you all. It'd just be boring if they were like "Oooh, hello, pal. Time to feed?" now *gags*
lynalar, I printed your post out and will take it with me to the doctor's now to make the waiting comfortable XD
(by the way, my foot is almost completely okay again!)
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The fact that Yuuko said that everything would work out for Kuro and Fai, as well as Clamp's admission that it will be a happy ending for Tsubasa makes me fairly sure that neither of them will die. Fai won't die because he has super-healing now, and Kuro won't die because he wouldn't LET himself die because it would kill Fai, much like Syaoran wouldn't LET himself fail Sakura. Getting the feathers back wasn't a question, it was something he HAD to do for her.
Kuro HAS to keep Fai alive. ^___^
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Gosh, I'm loving all the posts in here. You make the KuroxFai fan in me swell with pride. Please keep them coming. And lyanar, you deserve a cookie for that well written first post (and a pineapple upside-down cake).^^
Eh, and I think Fai sucking Kuro's blood for the rest of his life might actually be more intimate than kissing. ^^; Or well, to vampires anyway it's like... um, nevermind. ^^;;;
*chortlegiggle* I agree with that statement, Sakaki-san! X3
Yes, Emiko! KuroxFai forever!! LITERALLY! XD
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Yes, yes, good posts, welcome to the fandom! It makes me so happy!
Kuro and Fai's relationship- in my real life, I've been wondering about the depressing state of things in my relationships, wondering why they don't make me happy...I have figured out that it is because I don't feel like anyone really needs me. I've decided that is ultimate happiness- needing each other. Fai and Kuro have that. Obviously Kuro needs Fai, or else he wouldn't have made a totally life altering decision just to keep the guy around. Now that he's done that, Fai quite literally needs Kuro in order to survive. That, my friends, is bliss.
And anyone who think either of them would try to get out of it is just plain stubborn!
Do you think we'll ever get an omake about "lunch" time?
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Yes, yes, good posts, welcome to the fandom! It makes me so happy!
Kuro and Fai's relationship- in my real life, I've been wondering about the depressing state of things in my relationships, wondering why they don't make me happy...I have figured out that it is because I don't feel like anyone really needs me. I've decided that is ultimate happiness- needing each other. Fai and Kuro have that. Obviously Kuro needs Fai, or else he wouldn't have made a totally life altering decision just to keep the guy around. Now that he's done that, Fai quite literally needs Kuro in order to survive. That, my friends, is bliss.
And anyone who think either of them would try to get out of it is just plain stubborn!
Do you think we'll ever get an omake about "lunch" time?
Hopefully not only an omake but an entire chapter *starts to drool* Erm, well, yes, okay ^^"
And I think you're right about that needing thing. That's what makes love love. Needing each other, not being able to go on without the other. This is what it all is about.
Gosh, I'm loving all the posts in here. You make the KuroxFai fan in me swell with pride. Please keep them coming. And lyanar, you deserve a cookie for that well written first post (and a pineapple upside-down cake).^^
*chortlegiggle* I agree with that statement, Sakaki-san! X3
Yes, Emiko! KuroxFai forever!! LITERALLY! XD
Agreed. It really makes me proud and happy to be in a fandom with such wonderful fellow fans. Ananas to everyone!
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yeah that's right,i went to many others forum but any one was just as good as this one!
there is so much topics to fill our passion,and above all i have never seen so much TRUE fans gathered,i feel like if i was in a big castle ^^!
and the discussion are so interesting and funny sometimes that i'm sure that when i come here i will have a good time !
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Do you think we'll ever get an omake about "lunch" time?
id LOVE to see something like that! XD
i love all the posts in here. we outga give the naysayers a tour of this thread. then they'd either have to stop hating and simply admit it exists, or just give up and join us :heh:
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:D OMG, I'm late !! So, the thread changes it's name !! :hello2: Yas, it's so true !! Kuro-Fay is canon !!!
You may call me a .. yaoi fan :heh: ( wich I'm not, I like shounen-ai only ) But, I can't wait to see Fay sucking Kuro's blood on his neck :inlove:
I think Clamp is so wonderfull here. The bond between Kuro and Fay means " have to be together forever " .
And, I like the fact that Kuro understand now the will to protect someone with any price. It's the " strength" that Clamp always mention in their mangas. :D I love this kind of strenght !!!!
Hey, chap125 is released now. So, I'm wonder how there still are fans who deny all the Kuro-Fay things, and keep saying that they are just friend ? :dodge:
No offense, but, how can some Kuro-Tomo fans can't accept that for Kuro, Tomoyo is just " the-Princess-of-my-country " or something like " the one who help me when I'm depressed ".
I mean, if Kuro consider Tomoyo this way, it's beautiful too. Why they always want them to be lovers ? :confused: Why when Tomoyo is important for Kuro, she is also the-one-he-loves ?
And, I think, Kuro-Tomo fans don't see one thing. When Kuro is with Tomoyo, he always have to kill and to fight in order to protect his country. Plus, he always wants to be stronger and stronger. Now, when he is with Fay, he do not care about this strength anymore, but Fay's life. I mean, it's beautiful and sensible, isn't it ? :D
Sorry if I don't make sense, :sweatdrop: my english is not very good ! I can't explain my self like you do !!! :sweatdrop:
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:D OMG, I'm late !! So, the thread changes it's name !! :hello2: Yas, it's so true !! Kuro-Fay is canon !!!
You may call me a .. yaoi fan :heh: ( wich I'm not, I like shounen-ai only ) But, I can't wait to see Fay sucking Kuro's blood on his neck :inlove:
I think Clamp is so wonderfull here. The bond between Kuro and Fay means " have to be together forever " .
And, I like the fact that Kuro understand now the will to protect someone with any price. It's the " strength" that Clamp always mention in their mangas. :D I love this kind of strenght !!!!
Hey, chap125 is released now. So, I'm wonder how there still are fans who deny all the Kuro-Fay things, and keep saying that they are just friend ? :dodge:
No offense, but, how can some Kuro-Tomo fans can't accept that for Kuro, Tomoyo is just " the-Princess-of-my-country " or something like " the one who help me when I'm depressed ".
I mean, if Kuro consider Tomoyo this way, it's beautiful too. Why they always want them to be lovers ? :confused: Why when Tomoyo is important for Kuro, she is also the-one-he-loves ?
And, I think, Kuro-Tomo fans don't see one thing. When Kuro is with Tomoyo, he always have to kill and to fight in order to protect his country. Plus, he always wants to be stronger and stronger. Now, when he is with Fay, he do not care about this strength anymore, but Fay's life. I mean, it's beautiful and sensible, isn't it ? :D
Sorry if I don't make sense, :sweatdrop: my english is not very good ! I can't explain my self like you do !!! :sweatdrop:
I think you explained it well! I agree. I think the relationship between Kurogane and Tomoyo is cute in a way, but it's not sexual at all. It's very brother/sister, just because he wants to protect her doesn't mean he wants to have a romantic relationship with her. He wants to protect her and everyone in that country because he's wanted to do that ever since he was young. He does love her and Nihon, but that love is not a romantic one, people seem to forget that there is such a thing as different kinds of love. She showed him kindness during one of the most difficult times in his life, of course their relationship is going to be significant, but that doesn't make it a romantic one. They are not lovers, but the have a love like one does for a sibling, I think. I mean, I know that I love my brother and would protect him from harm, but I am not IN love with him. That is the kind of relationship I think Kuro/Tomo have. Tomoyo sent Kurogane off to learn what strength is, meaning that she wasn't able to change him in regards to how he feels and acts. Fai has been able to do that. The very fact that Kurogane is willing to sacrifice his own blood and be bonded to Fai for the rest of his life shows that he is learning what "true strength" is (as the 124 splash page told us) and is such an intimate expression of emotion that I don't see how anyone could deny that there is something there. I think if Kurogane was in love with Tomoyo, she would have been able to teach him. I bet Tomoyo knew all this would happen when she sent Kurogane off, she is a dreamseer, after all :XD: She probably sent him off with a lot more excitement then, she was "ohoho"-ing as she sent him away ;)
Not to mention that Kurogane/Tomoyo is practically pedophilia, I don't understand how KuroTomo fans think that is any better than Kurogane being in a homosexual relationship with another adult...
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^ That is so true about the KuroxTomo relationship being only brother/sister love. It could never be anything else (No offense to KuroxTomo fans). No better way to explain it than what mela just said! ^_^ I feel so happy now.
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I wouldn't say brother and sister,that label just feels way *off*. They're just ninja and princess. Kuro serves Tomoyo, is loyal to Tomoyo, and loves Tomoyo. Just not in the romantic sense.
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yes,Kurogane and Tomoyo's relationship can't go any further,because it would be a "disgrace" in royal hierarchie,a "servant" is not allow to hang around with a princess,and Kurogane is too upright to transgress this law :okay:!
moreover he is loyal to Tomoyo by DUTY,and not by love :sweatdrop:
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Mmm, but isn't he a "prince" of sorts - don't get me wrong, Kuro/Tomoyo makes my imagination want to commit suicide, but just saying..wasn't he a prince? Son of a lord or something?
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I wouldn't say brother and sister,that label just feels way *off*. They're just ninja and princess. Kuro serves Tomoyo, is loyal to Tomoyo, and loves Tomoyo. Just not in the romantic sense.
It's more brother/sisterly than romantic. I dunno, the way they act is just, not necessarily a sibling type, but it's a lot more familial than romantic. Like if I hadn't been told otherwise, I'd think they were related before I thought they were lovers. I don't mean brother/sisterly in a traditional sense either, just in the way that you'd go out of your way to protect someone younger than you, but you don't exactly want to nail them against a wall or anything. :XD:
Mmm, but isn't he a "prince" of sorts - don't get me wrong, Kuro/Tomoyo makes my imagination want to commit suicide, but just saying..wasn't he a prince? Son of a lord or something?
His father wasn't the king, so I don't think Kurogane is a prince. Lord is a different title from king.
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Despite all of this wonderful glorious KuroFai evidence, there will always be KuroTomoyo fans who disagree ¬_¬ ...but you just know that if it were Tomoyo in Fai's position, the KuroTomoyo fans would be going just as nuts as we are...they just can't be swayed...how tragic for them *sniff*
I voted for number 5, by the way *snickah snickah* :greengrin:
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theres one kurotomo fan on animesuki's boarxc who refusex to belevie the evidence. saying that if kuro returns to his world, fai wouldnt beable to speak or something like that :P http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=3724&page=4
kuro-tomo fans are funny in a sense. they refuse to see bright falshing lights infront oftheir faces XD
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He wouldn't know how to speak Japanese but he coudl learn or get a translation device from Yuuko.
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Well Tomoyo is the sister of an Empress, and Kuro's a prince, or is he a Lord? Usually the sons of lords are lords themselves, but he doesn't seem to have the responsibilities of one. So if we disregard Tomoyo's sexual preference then the pairing isn't completely unlikely.
Not that I'm saying I'd prefer it to KuroxFye of course. >.> <.< But it's more likely than FyexChii.. Dx
And about Fye and speaking Japanese, you'd think he learned it in Yama, or at least the basics. Someone as brainy as Fye would be too frustrated to depend on hand gestures to communicate with Kuro for those six months.
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You know he learned...he was just screwing w/Kuro for fun!
Fai thinks to himself, "Ah, so nice that Kurosama talks to himself when he thinks I don't understand!" Isn't there a fic about that somewhere?
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XD He so would do that as well! *cackle*
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Well~
If Kuro and Fai could co-exist in Yama for half a year, I think that proves that they're capable of being together without necessarily understanding one another. Actually, Kuro and Fai spend a lot of time studying each others' actions as opposed to their words, so both characters are extremely observant of the other, and have an understanding of each other that is NOT completely dependant on speaking. In other words, Kuro can read Fai and Fai can read Kuro without either of them opening their mouths. Their body language, their actions, their expressions...
My point being, you do not need to understand what someone is SAYING to understand someone. So even IF they get to Japan and Fai is unable to understand Japanese, that doesn't mean a thing. There's nothing to say that Fai won't pick up a foreign language, since he'll be immersed in it, and even if he doesn't, he and Kuro managed fine for half a YEAR. They'll be okay. Yuuko said so.
And frankly, if Yuuko is wrong, I don't know want to know what's right XD.
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And frankly, if Yuuko is wrong, I don't know want to know what's right XD.
Amen to that!
I just read xxxholic, and that statement from Yuuko made me jump with joy. Oh, the canon-ness!
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What did she say?
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What did she say?
After they leave Yuuko's shop in the beginning, Yuuko tells Watanuki that everything is going to turn out alright for Syaoran and Sakura, and then adds that the same goes for Kurogane and Fai. Yuuko is always right, ya know :XD:
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But later on, in the Shurano arc, she say that one of them may die?
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But later on, in the Shurano arc, she say that one of them may die?
Hn, does she? Where?
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I don't remember the exact chapter -> but Ashura-ou wished for the gang to be transported to his world. By interfering Yuuko made Fei Wang unable to direct them to only 'safe' worlds anymore. They may go to worlds that is at war (look at Tokyo). She said it was now possible for them (the whole group, not only Kuro & fai) to die. But you know Clamp won't kill S&S.
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*squeals* after long hours trying to finish.. I DID IT! xD~ *dances like an idiot*
Here's my finished pic for ya'll- Comments and feedback more than appreciated! :greengrin:
I can't believe CLAMP is making us wait again so much for chapitre 126...
But until then... here's some UNDENIABLE KuroFai CANONESS!
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37795643/
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*squeals* after long hours trying to finish.. I DID IT! xD~ *dances like an idiot*
Here's my finished pic for ya'll- Comments and feedback more than appreciated! :greengrin:
I can't believe CLAMP is making us wait again so much for chapitre 126...
But until then... here's some UNDENIABLE KuroFai CANONESS!
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37795643/
That is so freaking fantastic! Love love love it! ::huggles picture::
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Thinks of CLAMP killing S&S or K&F in TRC, I'd start to cry, have you've seen X???
There CLAMP and they are not afraid to do it.
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X has an entirely different feel and theme than Tsubasa does, though. It's important to remember that Clamp is capable of both extreme violence and extreme fluff. Tsubasa is definitely more adult than Cardcaptor Sakura, but nowhere near as violent as X was. Tsubasa's only recently started to lean more towards X than CCS with the latest chapters, but it's still a far cry from X. So I don't think the fact that Clamp has killed off main characters before really justifies them doing so in Tsubasa.
There's no way Clamp will kill off S/S. They're popular characters that have already been established, so killing them off would only upset the fans. Kuro or Fai (both Kuro AND Fai if Kuro dies) is more likely, but frankly I don't see it happening. I can't picture Kuro getting himself killed when he knows and accepts that he's responsible for Fai's life, and a major point of Fai's emotional journey thus far has really been that he needs to start valuing and fighting for his life. (For the record, I don't think Fai's suicidal, necessarily, he just doesn't have a strong desire to live. He wouldn't kill himself, but he wouldn't put up much of a fight for his life either.)
IF there is to be a death, I think it will be both Kuro and Fai, not just one of them. Especially now that their lives are directly intertwined, it's hard to imagine Kuro going on alone without Fai. Kuro and Fai are meant to be FOILs, from what I've gathered. Without one, the entire balance of the group itself would be skewed.
Yes. But I don't think anyone will die. That doesn't sound like a "happy" ending to me. ;)
So, moving away from all the death-talk, what shall we use this thread for in comparison to the KuroxFai couple thread? Because, since it's canon (or, at least, a breath away from it) we don't really need to debate whether or not Kuro and Fai are going to get into each others' pants or not any longer XD
I guess we just use this thread for KF-related plot-discussion? Like, 'will they live in Nihon at the end', etc? 'Cause zomg, necksucking is just around the corner, guys. Hopefully.
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X has an entirely different feel and theme than Tsubasa does, though. It's important to remember that Clamp is capable of both extreme violence and extreme fluff. Tsubasa is definitely more adult than Cardcaptor Sakura, but nowhere near as violent as X was. Tsubasa's only recently started to lean more towards X than CCS with the latest chapters, but it's still a far cry from X. So I don't think the fact that Clamp has killed off main characters before really justifies them doing so in Tsubasa.
There's no way Clamp will kill off S/S. They're popular characters that have already been established, so killing them off would only upset the fans. Kuro or Fai (both Kuro AND Fai if Kuro dies) is more likely, but frankly I don't see it happening. I can't picture Kuro getting himself killed when he knows and accepts that he's responsible for Fai's life, and a major point of Fai's emotional journey thus far has really been that he needs to start valuing and fighting for his life. (For the record, I don't think Fai's suicidal, necessarily, he just doesn't have a strong desire to live. He wouldn't kill himself, but he wouldn't put up much of a fight for his life either.)
IF there is to be a death, I think it will be both Kuro and Fai, not just one of them. Especially now that their lives are directly intertwined, it's hard to imagine Kuro going on alone without Fai. Kuro and Fai are meant to be FOILs, from what I've gathered. Without one, the entire balance of the group itself would be skewed.
Yes. But I don't think anyone will die. That doesn't sound like a "happy" ending to me. ;)
So, moving away from all the death-talk, what shall we use this thread for in comparison to the KuroxFai couple thread? Because, since it's canon (or, at least, a breath away from it) we don't really need to debate whether or not Kuro and Fai are going to get into each others' pants or not any longer XD
I guess we just use this thread for KF-related plot-discussion? Like, 'will they live in Nihon at the end', etc? 'Cause zomg, necksucking is just around the corner, guys. Hopefully.
That's a nice post, Emiko, and it really makes me hope everyone does survive the story. (Wouldn't it be pretty dramatic if they did and then, after the end of the series, suddenly an article appears in the newspapers: "Shot dead - Famous magician killed by stalker"? XD)
Your idea for this thread is good, I guess. I do think they'll end up in Nihon together. But then again, this would mean Mokona and Fai had to part and I really don't wanna read that ;_____; It's quite obvious that Mokona loves Fai and the other way round, even if it's not romantically. That's why I'd rather see Fai and Kuro as dimension hoppers. But, staying in Nihon with Tomoyo around would also be cool - argh, so hard to choose!
(What does FOIL mean?)
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That's a nice post, Emiko, and it really makes me hope everyone does survive the story. (Wouldn't it be pretty dramatic if they did and then, after the end of the series, suddenly an article appears in the newspapers: "Shot dead - Famous magician killed by stalker"? XD)
Your idea for this thread is good, I guess. I do think they'll end up in Nihon together. But then again, this would mean Mokona and Fai had to part and I really don't wanna read that ;_____; It's quite obvious that Mokona loves Fai and the other way round, even if it's not romantically. That's why I'd rather see Fai and Kuro as dimension hoppers. But, staying in Nihon with Tomoyo around would also be cool - argh, so hard to choose!
(What does FOIL mean?)
FaiXMokona FTW. They WERE smooching a bit in Piffle, weren't they? XDD *is shot*
FOILS is a literary term used to describe two characters who are deliberately made out to be different than each other in order to highlight certain traits. Someone being extremely quiet, for example: a shy person will look even quieter when placed next to a loud, boisterous person, and the loud person will look even louder. It's sort of like the yin/yang argument.
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I'm hoping they'll eventually end up in Nihon, but Fai still has to continue travelling, because of Ashura and all that. So Kurogane gives up his wish to go home, and continues hopping dimensions with Fai. *nod nod*
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FaiXMokona FTW. They WERE smooching a bit in Piffle, weren't they? XDD *is shot*
FOILS is a literary term used to describe two characters who are deliberately made out to be different than each other in order to highlight certain traits. Someone being extremely quiet, for example: a shy person will look even quieter when placed next to a loud, boisterous person. It's sort of like the yin/yang argument.
Gaaaawds, you gave me horrible images popping up in my head when you said "FaixMokona" XD (By the way, just in case you didn't notice - you guys actually corrupted me into using "Fai" instead of "Fye"!)
And thanks for explaining! And I totally agree. Fai and Kuro are FOILs, no matter what. The whole group wouldn't work anymore if one was missing.
I'm hoping they'll eventually end up in Nihon, but Fai still has to continue travelling, because of Ashura and all that. So Kurogane gives up his wish to go home, and continues hopping dimensions with Fai. *nod nod*
Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'd love to read that! And since Tomoyo managed to appear in Piffle!Tomoyo's dreams, I guess she could also pay Kurogane a visit every now and then. She'd be his... ah, don't know the word, a person you can talk to about your problems in a relationship XD
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That's a nice post, Emiko, and it really makes me hope everyone does survive the story. (Wouldn't it be pretty dramatic if they did and then, after the end of the series, suddenly an article appears in the newspapers: "Shot dead - Famous magician killed by stalker"? XD)
Your idea for this thread is good, I guess. I do think they'll end up in Nihon together. But then again, this would mean Mokona and Fai had to part and I really don't wanna read that ;_____; It's quite obvious that Mokona loves Fai and the other way round, even if it's not romantically. That's why I'd rather see Fai and Kuro as dimension hoppers. But, staying in Nihon with Tomoyo around would also be cool - argh, so hard to choose!
(What does FOIL mean?)
I would hate to think of Fai and Mokona's relationship as romantic. Then again, I saw a Kurogane/humanoid!Mokona fanart once.Come to think of it, there was this one fic too. XD
KF-related plot discussion huh? Well, we have the continuation of chap 112 conversation to look forward to. CLAMP *better* show us that.
How do you think Fai will act around Kurogane(at first) when he gets healed? Wil Fai drink from Kuro's neck, wrist, or from a cup?Will Kuro cut himself and let Fai drink, or will Fai go straight for the bite? How often must he drink? Discuss. :D
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i was wondering how we can ever see Fai's world ... while he made the wish to NEVER return there!
yes,logically they are not supposed to land to celes due to the fact that Fai has paid to never come back to his home land,so the only way we have to ever see Ashura is that this one wakes up and come after fai!...but then he will need to travel across the dimension too!...
Yuuko is going to have many clients ^__^
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I'm hoping they'll eventually end up in Nihon, but Fai still has to continue travelling, because of Ashura and all that.
I think if Ashura ever did find Fai, he'd have a tough time getting through Kuro. *drools with happiness imagining the fight* I think as long as Fai has Kuro, he doesn't have to run from Ashura. Whatever the nature of their(Fai and Ashura's) relationship, he's Kuro's mage now!
As to the vamp question, you get nosebleeds just trying to decide, don't you? Hmmm, I vote for Fai being kind of melancholy when he comes around, and not being aggressive with the feeding. I think he'll be real submissive, and do whatever Kuro tells him to. he likes being submissive! So, I don't see any biting anytime soon. I think it'll be probably Kuro opening a vein, like on his wrist, and sticking it in front of the guy, saying "Eat." Or something gruff like that. Eventually, though, I think Fai'll take advantage of it.
Kuro: *hands cup* Here's your portion.
Fai: *pouts* I don't liiiike it in a cup!
Kuro: Why the hell not?
Fai: It tastes funny, it needs to be freeeeesh!
Kuro: Argh, dammit *loosens sleeve*
Fai: There's not cloooose enough! It's old by the time it gets theeere!
Kuro: FINE *unbuttons shirt*
Fai: *bounces over happily and starts sucking on Kuro's chest*
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a capricious Fai ? It would be funny :haha:
but i think that at first kurogane will be forced to oblige Fai to drink his blood because he will feel to guilty to even look at Kurogane :sweatdrop:
(i can imagine Kurogane grabbing Fai by his hair and taking advantage of his shocked expression to let the blood of his wrist flow into Fai's parted lips :keke:)
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As to the vamp question, you get nosebleeds just trying to decide, don't you? Hmmm, I vote for Fai being kind of melancholy when he comes around, and not being aggressive with the feeding. I think he'll be real submissive, and do whatever Kuro tells him to. he likes being submissive! So, I don't see any biting anytime soon. I think it'll be probably Kuro opening a vein, like on his wrist, and sticking it in front of the guy, saying "Eat." Or something gruff like that. Eventually, though, I think Fai'll take advantage of it.
OMG! XD
*nosebleed*
Actually, I have a strange feeling Fai might not want to eat at first. That he's all 'Would you please just let me die? Kthanx.'
Kurogane is gonna have to forcefeed him. >3
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Mmmm blood talk ^o^
I know this is terribly off the current topic, but I noticed in an earlier post that some people argue that Tsubasa is a shonen manga and wouldn't have shonen-ai pairings in it...but...what about Ashura and Yasha? I mean, that Ashura was a guy right? XD They did call him a king, didn't they?
Sorry again for the off-topic-ness..it was bothering me =D
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a capricious Fai ? It would be funny :haha:
but i think that at first kurogane will be forced to oblige Fai to drink his blood because he will feel to guilty to even look at Kurogane :sweatdrop:
(i can imagine Kurogane grabbing Fai by his hair and taking advantage of his shocked expression to let the blood of his wrist flow into Fai's parted lips :keke:)
Awww, I can picture the scene *drools*
Mmmm blood talk ^o^
I know this is terribly off the current topic, but I noticed in an earlier post that some people argue that Tsubasa is a shonen manga and wouldn't have shonen-ai pairings in it...but...what about Ashura and Yasha? I mean, that Ashura was a guy right? XD They did call him a king, didn't they?
Sorry again for the off-topic-ness..it was bothering me =D
Tsubasa being a shounen manga (which is it, besides, not) is not an argument against shounen-ai. After all, Touya and Yukito do make some appearances and they're obviously a couple.
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Speaking of the vampire talk... I just finished another KF fanart where Fai isn't quite as submissive. Actually I tried to make it look like a mutual deal, but... >.> I might post it in the other KF thread later, unless it needs to be shared through PM. o__o
I know this is terribly off the current topic, but I noticed in an earlier post that some people argue that Tsubasa is a shonen manga and wouldn't have shonen-ai pairings in it...but...what about Ashura and Yasha? I mean, that Ashura was a guy right? XD They did call him a king, didn't they?
Plus, CLAMP has always said in interviews that they don't categorize their manga, right? Even though it's in a shounen magazine, they don't write a strictly shounen story. And ya, the presence of Touya and Yuki. ^_^
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I know this is terribly off the current topic, but I noticed in an earlier post that some people argue that Tsubasa is a shonen manga and wouldn't have shonen-ai pairings in it...but...what about Ashura and Yasha? I mean, that Ashura was a guy right? XD They did call him a king, didn't they?
I heard Ashura was genderless...
We could say the same about Fai though. I still haven't quite figured out if he really is a guy or not. XD
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Oh, ok. Thanks =D
...although all of us know, no matter what the argument is, KuroxFai will always prevail!*nods wisely*
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oh,i would be very happy to go check for you ^^
(but i want money in exchange because i'm taking a lot of risks with Kurogane around ^__^)
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I would hate to think of Fai and Mokona's relationship as romantic. Then again, I saw a Kurogane/humanoid!Mokona fanart once.Come to think of it, there was this one fic too. XD
i think i know what fic your talking about. its part of a oneshot collection i think. its kurofai..somehting abotu mokona in fai's lap...i got too weireded out to read it XP
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Mokona and Fai :sweatdrop:...
i understand now why Kurogane is always so angry towards Mokona,the manju is a lover rival :haha:
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On the Vampire subject, has anyone seen a movie called Once Bitten? The vampires in that movie feed from a very interesting location...
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hum,i wonder if i really want to know what you are talking about...i hope Fai won't be so pervert ^^
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The thigh, the thigh! It's a Jim Carrey movie, very funny. From the 80's. The plot is that every year, to retain her youthful appearance, a female vampire must drink the blood of a virgin boy (from that vein in your upper thigh) or else she'll show her true age. Mmm, Kuro-wanwan!
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poor Kurogane,he is going to have some difficulty to sit down if Fai watch this movie and wants to try the same thing :haha:
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I heard Ashura was genderless...
We could say the same about Fai though. I still haven't quite figured out if he really is a guy or not. XD
Yeah, Ashura is a genderless god. Fai... wow , that thought never crossed my mind. O.o I really don't think so, he is human, he was about to die from shock a chapter ago ("vampires recover faster than humans"), so I don't beleive he's a genderless being. In any case I think his companions would have noticed by now...
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As much as I've been squee!ing about necksucking, I think Fai will drink it from Kuro's wrist. That's the feeling I get, but since I don't have anything to back it up, I could very well be wrong.
Clamp's been too nice to us lately, I'm reluctant to believe they'd be nice enough to give us Fai actually sucking on Kuro's neck. *sob*
And I agree with Fai being reluctant at first. It is, in a way, hurting Kurogane and Fai doesn't want to hurt anyone. And who would really jump right in to sucking someone's blood? Even if it's instinct now for him to want blood, he probably won't accept it just like that.
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Unless he goes all bloodlust crazy - his eyes did go catty at the end- and go into a feeding frenzy...crazed Fai, out for Kuro's blood..mmmm
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We might eventually get some neck action.
Fye: Kurooooo-pinnnnnnn...I'm hungryyyyyyyy!
Kurogane: *thrusts arm in Fye's direction*
Fye: But I ate from there yesterday!
Kurogane: So?
Fye: I want somewhere else. *playfully points to Kuro's neck* Here!
Kurogane: Fine; hurry up.
Fye: *licks Kuro's neck*
Kurogane: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING!?!
Mokona: Fye never learned not to play with his food. ^__^
Fye: I'm washing my food, not playing with it. ^__^
Kurogane: *growls* I'm going to kill you both.
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lol. i justremembered this one episode of Angel[star. David Boreanaz] , where Angel was locked in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean by his so-called son, he spent quite a few months ther, and Westley went and found him, the first thing he did when he opened the coffin was sick his arm in Angel's moutn so he can feed,
i dunno, this vamp fai-feeding off of kuro justmade me hthink of that :P
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CLAMP has really created a difficult situation for the rest of Tsubasa :sweatdrop:...how don't know how they will manage to staisfy all the KuroFai fans with some bloody sucking scenes,and at the same time concentrate on Real Shaolan and Clone Shaolan actions :surprised:
...i mean that now that CLAMP has settled a new plot with the bond between Kurogane and Fai,they have to explain us their new condtion of life,and on the other hand unveil us the mystery that lies upon real and Clone Shaolan :keke:...
they are gonna have a serious headache :haha:
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Just a quick sketch I thought I'd share with my fellow shippers :greengrin:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37879328/
Don't make fun of my terrible anime skills XD
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I don't think every CLAMP character is bisexual... actually, I can't come up with *any* CLAMP character off the top of my head that is shown without question to be bisexual. If anyone can, I'd like to hear it.
Well, off the top of my head, I'd say Koryu from Wish is pretty bisexual in that he has sex with both men and women and seems to enjoy it either way. I also think that if Touya/Kaho doesn't count because Touya is a teenager and ends up with Yukito, Tomoyo/Sakura shouldn't mean that Tomoyo is lesbian, since Tomoyo is ten and does not end up with Sakura. But I don't want to argue on this subject. I tend to think that all characters can be of any sexuality readers want them to be until it is proved otherwise in canon. I think it's proven that Kurogane and Fai are interested in men, but it hasn't been proven that they have no interest in women, so people can call them bisexual if they want to.
As to naysayers of KuroFai canonness? It's canon. If you don't like it, live with it. That's what I'm doing, more or less.
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yes,it's not worth battling against what is obvious,love is love and CLAMP can't fool us anymore after all with have seen between Kurogane and Fai,nothing of their interaction was due to chance,all was fated,that's how CLAMP's pairings work :okay:
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Yeah, with Clamp gender isn't an issue This also stands to say that Tomoyo can love a guy too. People just can't pidgeon hole Clamp characters into sexulaities. It just doesn't exist where Clamp is concerned.
Fai and Kurogane will end up saying something along the lines of, "he's my most important/precious person." As Clamp have usually done. Hopefully, I think that's where it's going. Although, Kurogane is Fai's most important person; he's the only way Fai can stay alive. Ahh, it's so beautiful. *swoon*
I really get a kick out of telling my friends every ten minutes that Fai has to suck on Kurogane every day for the rest of their lives. They all go O.o, it's great. :P Either that or they tell me to shut up because they've heard it a million times before. XD
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I really get a kick out of telling my friends every ten minutes that Fai has to suck on Kurogane every day for the rest of their lives. They all go O.o, it's great. :P Either that or they tell me to shut up because they've heard it a million times before. XD
XD I know what you mean, envyofthestage. I told my only Tsubasa-savvy friend about it and she didn't even care. She just went, "oh, darn, now Sakura and Fai can't get together" in what I sincerely HOPE was a sarcastic manner. Le sigh. Sometimes real life people suck.
The main problem I have with Tomoyo loving Kurogane is that he's the exact opposite of the girl she loved first. If Tomoyo can be attracted to someone like Sakura, why would she suddenly be into tough, manly men like Kuro? Though I feel like I've said that a gazillion times.
Y'know what I think we might get? Kuro saying something in battle about how he can't die, no matter what, because then Fai would die, too. Maybe the "most important/special" person motif might be used there.
(Honestly, even if you still want to deny the canon, you can't deny that there's such a deep bond that's been developing over such a long time. I can't believe people can even say that Kuro and Fai haven't changed at all.)
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Yeah, with Clamp gender isn't an issue This also stands to say that Tomoyo can love a guy too. People just can't pidgeon hole Clamp characters into sexulaities. It just doesn't exist where Clamp is concerned.
Gender DOES matter to CLAMP, except in the cases where they specifically say it doesn't matter. The only characters that don't have a fairly clear sex in CLAMP are the angels and demons from Wish and Ashura. These characters are specifically said to be asexual or genderless. Gender isn't irrelevant in real life, and isn't irrelevant in CLAMP's stories.CLAMP Gakuen Tanteidan, for example, is about little but gender dynamics and relationships.
And I do think it's fine to call Tomoyo a lesbian. Tomoyo may be ten in CCS, but she is much older in TRC and is still shown to be in love with Sakura, or at the very least strongly attracted to Sakura. Plus, I know my sexuality was certainly not fully developed at ten, but I definitely was showing signs of what my sexual orientation would be. As for comparing Tomoyo/Sakura to Touya/Kaho, I don't think it really counts. Kaho knew from the beginning that she would not ever be Touya's true 'number one person.' Tomoyo, however, will always consider Sakura her 'number one.' It's completely different, even if they are both unrequited loves.
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now that kurogane and Fai are bonded by their blood they may develop as well a mutual connection!
i mean that it is a possibily that they share what the other is feeling at the same time,read each other mind,or even have telepathy discussion :keke:!
for instance if Fai is in danger,Kurogane could feel it at once and come to the rescue :okay:
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Personally I can't picture Tomoyo being any other way than gay. Though that's just me. I'm all for bisexuality and all, but I think that if Clamp was going to give Tomoyo someone, it would be a woman. Anyway, once the group lands in Nihon and Nihon!Tomoyo gets a good look at Sakura, she will probably react the same way as Piffle!Tomoyo.
That's why KuroTomo bugs me so much. I don't want poor Tomoyo to be alone either, but she was clearly in love with Sakura in CCS, and in Piffle world. When Sakura's around, Tomoyo barely notices Kurogane. XD
Will Kurogane be affected by the bond, though? I mean physically, not emotionally because zomghotblondesuckingonhisneck. He isn't being given anything, he's just the one doing the given. So Fai will have Kuro's blood in him, but Kuro won't physically change at all, except in his attitude towards Fai, since he's responsible for making him life now.
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Gender DOES matter to CLAMP, except in the cases where they specifically say it doesn't matter. The only characters that don't have a fairly clear sex in CLAMP are the angels and demons from Wish and Ashura. These characters are specifically said to be asexual or genderless. Gender isn't irrelevant in real life, and isn't irrelevant in CLAMP's stories.CLAMP Gakuen Tanteidan, for example, is about little but gender dynamics and relationships.
And I do think it's fine to call Tomoyo a lesbian. Tomoyo may be ten in CCS, but she is much older in TRC and is still shown to be in love with Sakura, or at the very least strongly attracted to Sakura. Plus, I know my sexuality was certainly not fully developed at ten, but I definitely was showing signs of what my sexual orientation would be. As for comparing Tomoyo/Sakura to Touya/Kaho, I don't think it really counts. Kaho knew from the beginning that she would not ever be Touya's true 'number one person.' Tomoyo, however, will always consider Sakura her 'number one.' It's completely different, even if they are both unrequited loves.
Well, I typed out a very long reply, then realized that it was all gruesomely off-topic. I guess the subject is sensitive for quite a number of us, so we start arguing when it comes up.
The CLAMP sexuality discussion aside, blood-sucking...nothing to say. Have fun, guys.
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heterosexual,assexual,homosexual,bisexual,lesbian...please stop at once,this is getting more and more a diplomatic subject,and this kind of topic tends to finish in general punch-up :sad5:!
i think that for now we have seen enough blood in Tsubasa so no more slaughter :sweatdrop:
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I didn't mean, Jeanette, that it doesn't matter to CLAMP whether their characters are male or female, but that it doesn't matter in issues of love. Gender isn't even a factor in CLAMP love. That's why I say sexuality doesn't matter. It's all about love. I don't believe any of the characters to be straight, gay whatever. It's just a love issue. So, just because Tomoyo was in love with Sakura doesn't mean she can't fall in love with a man (NOT KUROGANE!). (Canon couple/same soul argument aside.)
Yeah, Emiko, I can totaly see something like that happening, although I'd much rather prefer seeing "my most precious person" :P But I can definetly see the "I can't die because I have an important reason to live." Or something like that. XD
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But when you say gender isn't a factor, you are saying it doesn't matter if they are male or female, and that seriously doesn't make sense, in real life, or fiction.
Let's just take Kuro and Fai for example. How could their relationship be anything like it is now if they weren't both gay men? Even looking past their sexual identity which is obviously homosexual... you have two men, provoking and reacting to each other as two men would. Their struggles for power, their teasing of each other, and even violence towards each other wouldn't be the same if they weren't both the same sex. They wouldn't react to each other remotely the same if they weren't two men. And does anyone honestly think when they first looked at each other they didn't both notice and focus on just how male the other was? I can imagine their first thoughts now... XD
If you say gender doesn't matter, then I think you have to say sex itself doesn't matter, and at least in Fai and Kuro's case, I think they are highly sexual, highly gay... and very happy that way. *starting to forget what I was talking about* XD
I believe Clamp is trying to show that love is love, whether it's gay or straight. I don't believe for a minute they are trying to show characters who have no sexual identity. That is a huge part of what makes a person who they are. How you feel about members of the same or opposite sex is deeply ingrained in your personality, in ways we probably can't totally be aware of. It affects how you think and live, and react to other people. To deny that people have a sexual preference, in real life or art, makes absolutely no sense.
And I think this thread had been hopelessly off-topic for way too long now. *wondering if there is any actual 'canon' gloating left to do, or if I should lock*
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And I think this thread had been hopelessly off-topic for way too long now. *wondering if there is any actual 'canon' gloating left to do, or if I should lock*
Eeep. please don't lock before the X-arc ends. There might be more materials to gloat for in near future. What do you consider acceptable to discuss in this thread?
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Yeah, don't lock the thread!
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please i have done nothing so don't lock the thread,it would be a tragedy and i will thrown myself out of the window...hum,but i will certainly come back up even more hastly that because i'm almost at the floor level :haha:
about Fai,it's obvious that he is gay,no need to explain again this fact,but i really don't like at all when fangirls tends to make him look like a girl too much!
Fai is gay okay,but he is A MAN after all,and even if he looks thin,weird and weak,the majority of his actions is carried on by his mainliness,because his first willpower is to protect everyone,even if it means ending uo in a bath of blood :sweatdrop:
and this is this "hidden strenght" that makes his relationship with Kurogane priceless :okay:
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please i have done nothing so don't lock the thread,it would be a tragedy and i will thrown myself out of the window...hum,but i will certainly come back up even more hastly that because i'm almost at the floor level :haha:
about Fai,it's obvious that he is gay,no need to explain again this fact,but i really don't like at all when fangirls tends to make him look like a girl too much!
Fai is gay okay,but he is A MAN after all,and even if he looks thin,weird and weak,the majority of his actions is carried on by his mainliness,because his first willpower is to protect everyone,even if it means ending uo in a bath of blood :sweatdrop:
and this is this "hidden strenght" that makes his relationship with Kurogane priceless :okay:
Yuck, I hate it if anyone stuffs him into female clothes! He just doesn't have the curves, let's face it. And I like him that way >.<" After all, gay men are gay because they prefer men, not girls, so why should gay men act girlish? 'Course Fai is somewhat... effeminate (Fai-mommy, he cooks) but despite this very male in his own way. Go, manly!Fai! I love stories about him in Shurano because it shows the manly warrior (XD) inside him. Wish we could see it more often *_*
And I also think his topic shouldn't be locked - there'll still be so much to gloat about *teeheehee*
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Yuck, I hate it if anyone stuffs him into female clothes! He just doesn't have the curves, let's face it. And I like him that way >.<" After all, gay men are gay because they prefer men, not girls, so why should gay men act girlish? 'Course Fai is somewhat... effeminate (Fai-mommy, he cooks) but despite this very male in his own way. Go, manly!Fai! I love stories about him in Shurano because it shows the manly warrior (XD) inside him. Wish we could see it more often *_*
And I also think his topic shouldn't be locked - there'll still be so much to gloat about *teeheehee*
I agree. I dislike it when people make Fai a woman/dress him in woman's clothes. Just because he wears clothes that are maybe a little bit tighter, or his shirts a smidge shorter than most guys would, it doesn't mean he is going to outright wear a nurse's outfit, or put on a French maid uniform, or walk around in a fitted spaghetti strap tank top with a miniskirt. Fai is a man, and just because a man likes other men and is pretty doesn't necessarily mean he wants to be a woman or dress like one. Gay does not equal crossdresser, last time I checked. So Fai is a guy, even if he acts a bit more effeminate than most, he is still a m-a-n.
PS: Robes do not equal a dress. Just because he wears a robe in some splash pages does not mean he is going to going to go out and wear a dress outright. I mean, the first thing I can think of is Harry Potter where everyone wears robes, but the men don't go and wear women's dresses when they aren't in their robes (though a few did, If I remember from when I was in the Harry Potter fandom, only merely because they did not know the clothes of the non-magical world... but Fai does know what menswear is, because he does wear it and looks very good in it). Just because he wore a robe in a place where it is the norm for men to wear a robe, he's pretty much worn the equivalent of a man's outfit in every other world (which usually consists of pants and a shirt/jacket/tunic/whatever)...
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yeah,in the world of Shurano Fai looked like Legolas in "the lord of the ring" :haha:
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2553/05rp1.th.jpg) (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=05rp1.jpg)
warrior outfit suits him very well,so i really would like that those fangirls stop teasing him with short skirt :sweatdrop:
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aww, you guys are making me NOT want to write this one fic. the group is in a world where men arent very welcome, and inorder to look for the fetather syaoran doesnt want sakura to go out byherself/with their hosts ans syaoran REFUSES to wear a dress again (:XD:) so who else is left but fai? :sad5:
its actualy a kuro-fai faiangst piece, and right now its just in my head, but the way you uys say you hate it when fai wears dresses, i dont know if i awnt to write it now :(
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*Also dislikes crossdressing!Fai*
I have no problem with crossdressers, or the act of crossdressing in general (I think I said this on another thread, but if it makes you happy and isn't hurting anyone, I say go for it.) but I don't think Fai is one just because his fashion choices thus far have been a little eccentric. The one thing about them being FOILs is that since Kurogane is ultra-manly, Fai looks pretty girly in comparison, even though he really isn't.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think, personally, crossdressing!Fai is pretty OOC even though Fai himself can be quite effeminate. Though different people like different things, so if Fai in a dress works for some people, I guess it isn't hurting anyone. I'm just not attracted to the idea.
EDIT: SailorYue! Any KF-ness would be met with warmth and love from me, even if Fai IS in a dress. It's still them, after all. It's just not my favourite motif.
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Fai in a dress may be in some many ways attractive (after all,many other heroes of anime has been casted in a female role in comique episodes,but only for the fun of the situation :sweatdrop:),but numeous fanfictions tend to describe him as a pervert who loves doing naughty thing to Kurogane :shifty:...
but they are all mistaken about his personnality :surprised:!of course Fai is always teasing Kurogane,but he always keeps some distance from him,like if he was only seeking to gain his attention,but without really wanting to bother him...in fact this is Kurogane who did the first move,trapping Fai in some hard discussion,and finally trying to push him under the edge by grabbing him (in chapter 112 :keke:).
so those who think that Fai is a YAMP are totally wrong,he is rather reserved :okay:
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Mneh, I think Fai is a big flirty tease. I thnk he'd do A LOT of contoverial sexual things. I think he'd be quite kinky, but I think Kuorgane would enjoy it too. So they're a perfect sexual match! XD
I'd rather see Kurogane in a skirt though. XD Fai is gorgeous but I don't find him sexually attractive.
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Mneh, I think Fai is a big flirty tease. I thnk he'd do A LOT of contoverial sexual things. I think he'd be quite kinky, but I think Kuorgane would enjoy it too. So they're a perfect sexual match! XD
I'd rather see Kurogane in a skirt though. XD Fai is gorgeous but I don't find him sexually attractive.
maybe because he looks like a shrimp comparatively to Kurogane who is more like a bear :sweatdrop:?
hey,it would be funny to find some animals equivalent for the tsubasa characters :surprised:!
yeah,i'm going to open a topic about it,what a genius i am :okay:!
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Less than a week to 126!
I hope we get some sort of scene with Fai waking up after his 'change' and turning to see Kurogane asleep against the side of the bed, like he's been there the whole time :love4: /sap.
Because that would reinforce the canon. But it would be reeeeeally nice if we got a kiss. Like, a kiss on the cheek, since a real kiss might be aiming too high. If you think about it, Syaoran and Sakura got one that was sort of on the eye, and Kurogane got one from the acid-rain lady in Koryo on the cheek, so I think that KF should have some sort of kiss in the general face area. Maybe.Though yeah I think I'm hoping too much.
Though if Clamp can make Show content
Seishirou kiss his mommy on the mouth, no shading or deceptive angles or anything
then having a KF kiss can't be much more to ask.
(X spoilers under the tag, btw)
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the more you are saying such KuroFainess thing,the more i become excited,and thisis no good for my health since i was trying as much as i can to hold on myself to not hoping too much :sweatdrop:...
anyway,the only fact that CLAMP has created this bond between them means that they intended to put some close scene betwween Kurogane and Fai :wink:!
they are not flirting anymore,their realtionship has reached a new level far more accurate,touching each other is not an interdict from then on :okay:
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*Also dislikes crossdressing!Fai*
o.O t-then you'll hate my works...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/kurowanwan/anime01.jpg
Horjaa!!! a kiss in the chick is fine by me.... and then, kuro-tan will blush a little! Fai gave him a thank you kiss! Kyaa!!!
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your Fai is priceless,and i think that whatever he wears,his smile is always sufficient to charm us :keke:
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Though if Clamp can make Show content
Seishirou kiss his mommy on the mouth, no shading or deceptive angles or anything
then having a KF kiss can't be much more to ask.
(X spoilers under the tag, btw)
I'd say Seishirou's an exception, he had just Show content
killed her, it was more of a farewell gesture. Although those two were a quite touchy-feely together if you ask me.
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o.O t-then you'll hate my works...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/kurowanwan/anime01.jpg
Horjaa!!! a kiss in the chick is fine by me.... and then, kuro-tan will blush a little! Fai gave him a thank you kiss! Kyaa!!!
lol, very nice ^_^
as for kissing, it may be too much to ask. id be happy even if fai lays his hand on teh side of kuro's cheek, and looks him in the eyes and....
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Heavens, you guys drive me nuts with your chapter suggestions XD How am I supposed to survive the four days until it's published if I can think of nothing else than Fai kissing Kuro? XD
But a kiss would be a good idea! I could really imagine Fai doing something like that. Though I rather think it'll take a little while until his cheery self returns, for now he'll be all dark and quiet, I suppose.
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lol, very nice ^_^
as for kissing, it may be too much to ask. id be happy even if fai lays his hand on teh side of kuro's cheek, and looks him in the eyes and....
Kyaa!!! that's nice! i imagined this:
-im only up to ch. 122 so don't expect my imagination to be so updative-
(Kuro-pin was arguing with Fai about his eyes)
~Fai looked at Kuro's eyes and Kuro did the same. Fai reached out his hand on Kuro's cheek and gave him a lonely but lovely smile and look~
Fai: don't worry, im fine... don't concern yourself over me
~Kuro touched Fai's hand on his face...~
Kuro: how could i not be worried? look at you... you're a mess... darn you, mage.
and.. :inlove:
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Kyaa!!! that's nice! i imagined this:
-im only up to ch. 122 so don't expect my imagination to be so updative-
(Kuro-pin was arguing with Fai about his eyes)
~Fai looked at Kuro's eyes and Kuro did the same. Fai reached out his hand on Kuro's cheek and gave him a lonely but lovely smile and look~
Fai: don't worry, im fine... don't concern yourself over me
~Kuro touched Fai's hand on his face...~
Kuro: how could i not be worried? look at you... you're a mess... darn you, mage.
and.. :inlove:
Aww, that almost literally made me melt *le dreamy sigh* And it's so IC, though ^^
And some OT: THIS IS MY 300TH POST! YAY! Now I can give cookies ^-^ *hops around enthusiastically* Now I'll first give some to those I promised one *nod nod*
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Kyaa!!! that's nice! i imagined this:
-im only up to ch. 122 so don't expect my imagination to be so updative-
(Kuro-pin was arguing with Fai about his eyes)
~Fai looked at Kuro's eyes and Kuro did the same. Fai reached out his hand on Kuro's cheek and gave him a lonely but lovely smile and look~
Fai: don't worry, im fine... don't concern yourself over me
~Kuro touched Fai's hand on his face...~
Kuro: how could i not be worried? look at you... you're a mess... darn you, mage.
and.. :inlove:
thats a nice one :inlove":
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I'd say Seishirou's an exception, he had just Show content
killed her, it was more of a farewell gesture. Although those two were a quite touchy-feely together if you ask me.
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That was just an incestuous relationship whatever way you look at it.
Kisses...well, we had such a number (eye-kiss, hand-kiss, lips-kiss in silhouette) in Shura country, I'm not really sure what to expect. A KuroFai kiss could be possible. What odds do we give it?
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Kurogane has already touch Fai in his most intimates parts,so a kiss between them is just natural now :okay:
the situation makes me think that Fai is gonna be a little bit more submissive to Kurogane,and stop runnig away each time he makes him angry.i can see them always wondering when the others is,fearing to be separated because of the bond :sweatdrop:
Kurogane: Fai,where are you???
Fai:doing cookies
later..
Kurogane: where are you again damn mage???
Fai: doing laundry
later...
Kurogane: where have you disappered?stop playing hide and seek with me
Fai: i'm waiting for you in the bedroom...
Kurogane: oh,so you better hide yourself before i come... :keke:
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Kurogane: Fai,where are you???
Fai:doing cookies
later..
Kurogane: where are you again damn mage???
Fai: doing laundry
later...
Kurogane: where have you disappered?stop playing hide and seek with me
Fai: i'm waiting for you in the bedroom...
Kurogane: oh,so you better hide yourself before i come... :keke:
ahaha! that was sexy funny, Senko-san!!!
Off-Topic:
umm.. what is the difference of this thread in the Official KF thread?
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umm.. what is the difference of this thread in the Official KF thread?
Well, I think this thread is more for discussion the KF events in chapters to come, or discussing how the KF relationship will affect or be affected by the plot. The KF couple thread is more like a place to go to discuss the relationship itself. I think.
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this topic has been created just after the Kurofainess that has taken place in the lastest chapter,especially after chapter 124 where Kurogane was holding Fai by his *** :keke:
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9344/colorkurofaibh6.th.png) (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=colorkurofaibh6.png)
so this topic claims the official canon pairing of Kurogane and Fai!
this is here that we talk about the LOVE between our favourite ninja and mage :okay:
the other topic "official KF thread" is now mainly reserved for those who still don't believe that they are canon,and try desperatly in vain and frustration to prove that we are wrong :wink:
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Ah, well, this topic has always been around, Tatasenko. It's only that it used to be the "Will it be canon?" thread, and when the assgrabbing chapter came along, the name got changed to "The KF gloating thread" since quite a few of us see them as canon now. And I think the official thread is populated with mostly KuroFai fans, not those who deny it's canon-ness. It's more of a 'squeee, show your love!' thread whereas here I think we're aiming to discuss the recent KF developments and the developments to come.
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yeah you are right,i remenber now that it was Sailor yue that suggested to change this topic name :keke:!
if the relationship between kurogane and Fai keeps going on this way,we will have to change again the name and call it "the KF official wedding party" :okay:
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if the relationship between kurogane and Fai keeps going on this way,we will have to change again the name and call it "the KF official wedding party" :okay:
Hee.
Where Watanuki spazzes out because he doesn't have enough time to cook, damnit, and the two Mokonas bounce around while the pipefox pokes him, Yuuko and Tomoyo discuss what clothes the couple (and Sakura) will wear (while Kurogane contemplates harakiri), Subaru is being molested by Seishirou as Kamui pouts on the sidelines (until he gets bored and goes looking for someone to eat), and Fai goes looking for the booze. :drunken_smilie:
...what?
BTW- this fic (http://antique-land.livejournal.com/3376.html) is an utterly adorable wedding tale, if anybody's interested.