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I'm not quite sure...but I think he's more than what the naked eye sees. But my conscience says "He took Sakura's feather! how can he not be evil?!", on the other hand, my sub-conscience says "but he taught Syaoran kung-fu! He has a good heart!"
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oooh that's such an interesting question... there's not enough information right now i think... i'm of mixed opinion. i'm sure he's got an ulterior motive we're unaware of yet
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he's a baddy, i'm sure of it, my 6th sense tells me so...i guess this is the norm for anime? the person is good at the begining but turns out bad and betrays the good guys...betrayal is a nice twist in anime~i might be wrg but i'll stick to he's a baddy~~ :P
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i think he's a good person! :D ^-^ he probably just has a higher priority then..
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Its too early in the manga to see. I love Seishirou-kun and he's just plain awesome but right now its hard to tell if he's a goody or a baddy. We'll find out as the manga progresses...^^
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*nods* I agree, he is really awsome
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Well, I don't see him (for now) as either a good or bad guy... I believe that he has some beliefs and is following a goal, so he tries to do his best to achieve it...
He met Shaoran-kun in the past, and liked the kid, coz I bet he remembered himself when he was younger, but now that they encountered again he was on the (let's call it) opposite side, and he needed Sakura's feather, not caring if Shaoran needed it as well....
But we'll probably see and know more of him later... I have to admit that it surprised me when they didn't get the feather, I was like... WHAT!? O.O
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*nods* I wonder what memories that feather held...what if it was the memories of sakura and Syaoran's relationship, and Seishiro was actually working for Yuko?
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I don't think that's the case, since yuuko is erasing those memories no matter what... my bet is either hes out on his own.. OR maybe he has something to do with those two misterious characters whom we don't know their names :P
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now that i think of it.. he might even be bad! he may look nice.. but he could be working for the bad guys!
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Seishiro is a cross-over from Tokyo-Babylon/x 1999. As many of you know he is supposedly dead, but since this is a new series anything can happen :hehe: In the original comic, he was supposedly the "evil" person, but somehow fell in love with the hero (ya, a guy). In X, the two people "hated"each other because Seishiro killed Subaru-san's sister Hokuto, but ends up being killed by Subaru due to the reflection curse Hokuto casted upon him.
Basing on the past comic history, Seishiro is still searching for Subaru (somehow tells me they are talking about their love story,:P) Seishiro isn't really evil, but just shows to the bad guy (in the original its due to the clan -thing. as the Sakurazukamori)So I think the same thing applies to TRC (sort of). Meeting Syaoran, and then teaching him fighting showed his possibly good side. But in my POv of why he didn't want t give the feather back, is that he needed it to search for Subaru (we see him asking the lady is your name Subaru). Ithinkit wasn't that he needed the memories of the feather, but rather the hidden power ( Sakura's "wings" had some sort of power). There isn't any use for the memory to him atm, besides if we speculate him working for Yuuko.
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there was when yuuko said that the "soul" of the same but different person in different dimensions are the same...thats y i'd say he's somehow on the evil-side but mostly for self-gain~ :D
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there was when yuuko said that the "soul" of the same but different person in different dimensions are the same...thats y i'd say he's somehow on the evil-side but mostly for self-gain~ :D
Yes, thats similar to what 'm thinking. Maybe later we can see the x 1999 corss-over, and maybe another Seishiro can be seen. But still, I don't think he's bad-to-the-bone.
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fr what i understand and looked up, seishiro does cold-clood murdering.....if that is not evil..it dunno what is~ *does the right and left fingers triangle flexing*
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*ack* at the 333th post i had to do an error...ahh it should be: cold-Blood murdering...(srysry)
i'd like to add that dint he say that he was searching for twin vampires one of which is called subaru (am i wrg about the vampire part?? coz i like to confirm...)~~
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i'd like to bank in my thoughts again~so dont look if any1 finds it too repeative, i'll warn that there'll be spoilers here and there to help explain (it cant be help not mentioning, sry)~~ :P
i'd also say that seishiro seems to be too big of a character to juz ignore as he taught syaoran how to fight in the past, recieved a limited dimensional powers fr yuuko, holds a feather of memory that belongs to sakura, has powers on par with kurogane (that much power + dimension travelling eye can tip the balance of powers between good & evil in TRC depending on who he sides) & many ppl seem to be looking at his return a blessing too...(thats can fandom is it??~ :P CLAMP answered that for sure~)
-IF SEISHIRO IS GOOD-
after thinking thru about what lumizstar said about seishiro probably working for yuuko, i thought it might be possible as yuuko trading a limited but similar base of her space & time traveling powers for seishiro's right-eye (eww~y'd she want that?! *shiver*) seems too-good-a-deal-what-so-ever, since seishiro is on his way to find subaru, he'd probably pass by the gang and will be able to aid them (look at it this way, if seishiro dint "kill" fye & syaoran, they'd nvr realize that they are in a gameworld. or rather, if he did not arrive in the game world & the gang did, they'd be stuck in the gameworld forever & thats probably what the evil reed guy wants since in vol 9. it was revealed that he could somehow manipulate the worlds the gang fall into). and the arrow shot by yuuko that flew out of mokona's mouth when kurogane & seishiro were starting to get serious in battling stopped them efficiently, it might really be a sign that seishiro obeys yuuko thus he back away, he's really powerful fr what i heard....and it was by pure dumb luck that a feather falls into his hands while traveling to different dimensions and its power will definately be handy in his search so he'll juz keep it before his search ends & returns it in the end. (pure dumb luck is easy to bump into in TRC it seems~:D). if the story links back, syaoran once said that seishiro didnt look like he aged at all since when syaoran was young, i thought that since the dimensional power allows traveling through time too, seishiro could have used it....
so his helping the gang is a kinda "juz for convinience".
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i went to explore some of seishiro's past and found out that his right-eye was blinded by subaru (ooooo...), so it seems really important (i dunno more than that really~ :P), and things of importance have a value and thus might be equivilant in the trade with yuuko for some dimensional travelling powers (so he can go search for subaru, but lumizstar already said that). hey, in xxxholic, yuuko seems to be more of a businesswoman than some crusader blabbering the moral of good & evil, she believes in fate quite heavily....so i guess the trade stands. my thought on that he is evil only changes that he "killed" syaoran & fye in the gameworld juz because they stood in his way and its his way of having fun (bad guys' psycology) its by pure dumb luck that they were in the gameworld & did not really die (i said it before) & seishiro was there juz coz of his search for subaru, nothing else. concerning the matter of the arrow shot by yuuko, it can be seen that he would not like to offend her in case she cuts off the source of the dimension travelling powers that he traded his right-eye for, (since the source of yuuko's power is similar to the power he is using to travel-duh). so he backed away, knowing the anyway, subaru was not there. the matter of the feather is almost the same xcept i dont think he'd have the intention of letting it away without a lose in a fight. and its definate he's not working for yuuko
in this stand, he is totally self-gain with no reguard to which side what-so-ever.
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not much is different fr the neutral stand xcept that he's working for the evil reed guy (helping him collect sakura's feathers).
in this stand, he evil & does it like a hobby but has a twisted mentality, call it bad guys' psycology--again (i kinda read this off a summary of X/1999).
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things that i've yet to confirm:
1. in the gameworld when seishiro "killed" fye, y did he not 'kill' sakura & mokona as well, i'd take that he knows mokona has the power of dimension travelling and 'kill' him'll anger yuuko or something, but sakura would be an easy target even if mokona tries as he could to protect her+sakura was sound asleep that time. since she is the source of the feathers and holds several feathers then, if seishiro if good, then 'killing' them'll aid them faster in realizing that they are in the gameworld. if seishiro is bad, then there was no pt in 'killing' fye at the start, if seishiro is neutral, it'll make sense as sakura & mokona were not in his way/obstructing his actions.
2. in syaoran's past when syaoran bought/stole (?) the book his father needed and some men chased after him attempting to beat him up, y dint seishiro kill those men & juz beat them up yet did not gave chase? in fact, in X, killing doesnt seem to be even a nick of deal to him, like a walk in the park. unless he was trying to giv syaoran a good impression, but thats the next spectaculation.
3. his teaching syaoran how to fight. if all he needs is syaoran to translate the book, seishiro could have easily walked away when syaoran done his part or even wipe syaoran out if he wanted to. teaching syaoran how to fight might be juz his way of having fun, like holidaying on a trip, but it can also be looked in a way that seishiro is an observer for the evil reed guy, since syaoran is somehow connected to the 'other syaoran' at that guy's lair.
4. his method of travelling to worlds here and there seemingly randomly means that he resides in yuukos world and that
i. either the vampire twins can travel thru dimensions too
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ii. was tipped off (by yuuko/evil reed guy, either doesnt rule out if he's good, neutral or evil)
any1 plz help correct my if i'm wrg, i'm dry out tired and am sure that there are mistakes here and there..zz..zzz...zzzzzzzzzz
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My friend Bure told me about Seishirou and his relationship with Subaru from X.... ahhh, too complicated >.< I think it still has something to do with those vampires,(i forgot 'em :P) he will keep his journey until he finds them... sooo... maybe he just wants to accomplish whatever he is doing not caring for other individuals... we STILL have to wait for more -___-
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Well, just a responce to the past of Seishirou. His eye was blinded not by Subaru, but becasue of protecting Subaru. I think Seishirou is working for his own interest, and not for Yuuko. His past is really something to explore deeply, and when I watched X, I did a lot of that " research" . Seishirou is supposedly the enemy of Subaru (clan vs clan) but after an encounter when the young Subaru ( age 9) before killing him (long story) he thought he should give him a chance. Well, they met later after like 7 years or so, became good friends. But when he revealed himself to be the enemy of the sumeragi clan, he killed Hokuto, and thus Subaru was " angry" at him. In X, Subaru's eye was blinded by seishirou, as he own wish ( cuz gulity that Sei-san lost an eye for him). As I have said, Sei-san was killed by a refelcting curse, and Subaru ( who killed him cuz of a reflex curse) felt guilty for the rest of his life (probably, cuz it hasn't ended).
Its a basic love and hate relationship (yaoi one), and somekind of official. In TRC, Sei-san is searching for Subaru, but why he took the feather away is still unknown. thats it for now :)
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thkies lumizstar, for correcting me~ :P i knew i had some mistakes here and there~ :D
now i think that seishiro is the enemy of the syaoran & gang but not the allies of the evil guys, kinda neutral yet evil in his own stand and gain~ :P juz a li' difference fr my thoughts the last time~ :D
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thkies lumizstar, for correcting me~ :P i knew i had some mistakes here and there~ :D
now i think that seishiro is the enemy of the syaoran & gang but not the allies of the evil guys, kinda neutral yet evil in his own stand and gain~ :P juz a li' difference fr my thoughts the last time~ :D
Yep yep, I agree on your point. I think sooner or later, maybe after he achieves his goal, maybe he is going to help Syaoran.
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yet again...i think seishiro aint gona do anything for free...he'll hav a motive to help~ :P but aint it weird now that i think of it....y was seishiro in clow country (when syaoran was young), then when he dint have the powers of dimension travelling fr his right eye....hmmz, yet he says he's finding for subaru then, so he knows about their existence in different dimensions probably after a tip off by who-knows-who....yet it stil doesnt explain how'd he manage to end up at yuuko's to trade for the powers (he'd have to have travel THERE 1st right??). then me post back then doesnt stand as there'll be no way he'd travel BACK IN TIME to train syaoran coz he doesnt have the eye in the flashbacks...rather, he went ahead in time to get the dimensional powers and then ahead to the themepark country's gameworld....do i make sense? this different dimension thingy wif time now is making things more difficult...
thing to confirm: whether seishiro is a magician, if not, it'd be interesting to know WHO send him to yuuko's....
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yet again...i think seishiro aint gona do anything for free...he'll hav a motive to help~ :P but aint it weird now that i think of it....y was seishiro in clow country (when syaoran was young), then when he dint have the powers of dimension travelling fr his right eye....hmmz, yet he says he's finding for subaru then, so he knows about their existence in different dimensions probably after a tip off by who-knows-who....yet it stil doesnt explain how'd he manage to end up at yuuko's to trade for the powers (he'd have to have travel THERE 1st right??). then me post back then doesnt stand as there'll be no way he'd travel BACK IN TIME to train syaoran coz he doesnt have the eye in the flashbacks...rather, he went ahead in time to get the dimensional powers and then ahead to the themepark country's gameworld....do i make sense? this different dimension thingy wif time now is making things more difficult...
thing to confirm: whether seishiro is a magician, if not, it'd be interesting to know WHO send him to yuuko's....
Well, myabe he's still in his former job : Sakurazaukamori/omniyouji(?) (oops, forgot the spelling). Anywayz, the problem is does he posses the power to travel in between dimensions, and also, did he actually went to Yuuko's place.....Hm.....
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ehh...i dont think he can pick something to replace his eye on the road...and the powers for traveling dimensions is the same as yuuko's, too bad its not shown in xxxholic..yet...there could be a cross-over for this n i'm very eager to know coz i dont think theres anyway seishiro can steal fr yuuko or threaten her...fr my POV, yuuko's really powerful...more powerful than seishiro (i dint see X...but i'm refering to the fight wif kurogane~ :P )
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He's neither good nor evil in my opinion. He just want to find vampire for his purposes, right? And to complete this, he need Sakura's feather to use its power for thing he want. That's why he won't give it right now and as he mentioned before about meeting again, he'd definitely give this back after he gets what he wants.
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Dunno....I think he honestly likes Syaoran, but has no qualms about killing him if he gets in his way....kinda like Tokyo Babylon, really...
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well...he seems cold enuff, but i dont think he'll really giv the feather back without a fight~ :P
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I'm really going to have to read X and Tokyo Babylon so I can sort some of this out!
If he was truly evil, why would he leave Sakura and Mokona and not kidnap them or something?
Why would he teach Syaoran to fight?
Why would he obey the arrow that Yuuko sent?
Maybe he does have some motive.
Without having read X or Tokyo Babylon, I have no idea of his "soul".
I think maybe though that he needed the feather for some purpose and that also it wasn't time for Sakura to have that feather yet.
For some reason Sakura is not supposed to have those particular memories.
Maybe they are memories of Syaoran. Maybe at some point she will be allowed to have them.
Maybe Seishiro-san was sent by Yuuko to take the feather.
Perhaps he can use the feather for gain until the time Sakura would have it back.
But also neither Kurogane nor Fai trusted him at first site.
Since a "version" of Seishiro-san is in X and Tokyo Babylon, which do I read first?
Which series introduces him?
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Tokyo Babylon introduces him, but X is a good read as well!
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The power for him to travel between worlds is not as strong as Yuuko's, since she only allows him to go to a limited number of them... Maybe Sakura's feather allows him the extension he needs. I never think he's evil, just someone who has a wish to be fulfilled like Taishakuten or Asura- ou. Sometimes you have to do a lot of horrible things in order to get this one good thing, right?
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nah, he starts to turn opposite in the 6th. the 7th hasn't come out yet...argh, can't wait to see what happens :greengrin:
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according to what happens in x/1999, I think Seishiro kills Subaru's sister
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according to what happens in x/1999, I think Seishiro kills Subaru's sister
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Seishirou made a bet with Subaru years ago, saying that if Subaru can show him the difference between living and dead, he will spare him, but Subaru failed, and Seishirou was supposed to kill Subaru as a result. However, Hokuto chooses to be the scapegoat for Subaru
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there's only 6 in waldenbooks here
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Umm...about Seishiro in Tsubasa...which book/chapter does he appear in....because in book 5, Syaoran talks about how
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he's blind in his right eye, and how someone taught him to fight.
But there's no mention of Seishiro yet...how long do I have to wait, guys?
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***But there's no mention of Seishiro yet...how long do I have to wait, guys?***
They show him so that you know for sure it's him in chapter 41.
He's mostly in book seven~ from chapter 44 to 49.
I assume he'll be in more books to come though!
I really like Tokyo Babylon so far, but I like the way Seishiro-san is drawn in Tsubasa, and I wonder if Subaru will really turn up.
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he's at the end of book 6^^, you won't have to wait long
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Okay, I just read Tokyo Babylon book 7.
Seishiro-san is pretty evil. Evil in that he has no feelings what-so-ever.
Unless that's changed since book 7.
I want spoilers!!!!
Is book seven the last book? How many books are in Japan?
What happens between Seishiro and Subaru in X????
Why is he calling Subaru and Subaru's sister the Vampire twins?
Please someone tell me everything!
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SPOILERS! TOO MANY TO USE THE TAG!
In X, Seishiro and Subaru fight at the Rainbow Bridge, and Subaru kills Seishiro. Seishiro also says something to Subaru that makes the Sumeragi cry over his death...(going off an amv here) so I wonder whether Seishiro loved Subaru in his own way.
I think that this is true with Syaoran. Seishiro does care about him, but allows his ambition for power to take priority. As for the vampire twins....in Tsubasa, I think that they cursed Seishiro with immortality or something like that. So now he has to kill them to end his curse. They're changed in Tsubasa,because CLAMP wnated to explore different aspects of each character.
It's like the girl with a dog and the other guy from X who turned up in TRC book 5 as demon hunters....
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Thanks Ruby Chan, I was really wondering what happened with this story.
What about Subaru's eye? I read something about that he felt guilt over Seishiro losing his own eye for him?
Oh, and a cookie for you for always being so helpful!!!!!
:gives cookie:
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Uh huh....maybe that's why Subaru became the next Sakura thingie - you know, the assassin?
Anyway, from looking at TB and X, I am pretty sure Seishiro in TRC has a least a bit of good in him.
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woah, I just noticed this! o__o though very random...
The way Seishirou "killed" Syaoran in the 7th volume...it's the same way he kills people in Tokyo Babylon! :sweatdrop: so random...
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this is a little off-topic, but I didn't know where else to ask this..
does anyone have a larger picture of the deluxe edition of Tsubasa vol 10 and the postcard (post card, is it?) in it?
it's Seishirou.. :inlove:
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woah, I just noticed this! o__o though very random...
The way Seishirou "killed" Syaoran in the 7th volume...it's the same way he kills people in Tokyo Babylon! :sweatdrop: so random...
lol, I noticed that too...after, he is still a Sakurazakumori in Tsubasa...
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Since he was friends with Syaoran before....it makes me wonder if they have a relationship like Subaru and Seishirou had in TB...I read a fanfic like that, and it set the ball rolling
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I wouldn't exactly call them being 'friends'...more of teacher/student.
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Mm...but I think there was affection of some sort there. Just the way Syaoran reacts after seeing him in Outo...anyway, I see Seishirou as a Kurogane type - someone who thinks power is the most important thing.
But unlike Kurogane, Seishirou didn't have anyone to force him on a journey.
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hn, I agree.
I noticed something later on in the volume...the magic circle that transported Seishirou...it looked strangely similar to Yuuko's.
Then later when I checked xxxholic, they WERE the same o_o
strange, ne? :sweatdrop:
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I thought that since his blind eye is the source of his power, he exchanged his eye for the ability to skip dimensions from Yuuko....
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that was what I thought...but wouldn't he appear in xxxholic then?
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Not if it occurred before Watanuki arrived...that's when the series started, right?
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good point.
But then...where would Seishirou-san be now? XD
I sort of thought that the feather with Seishirou would be his payment for the eye, cause that feather was the one with Sakura's memories about Syaoran, but that's just me :lol:
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I cant say anything ... ^__________^
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all I can say is...
I love Sei-chan! :inlove: :lol:
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I dunno, I'm soo confused right now.-_- I mean, Seishirou was a Sakurazukamori, AND a dragon of earth, which kinda means he's a sort of "bad guy" (NO! I don't mean he's a really bad person! I'm just saying he's on the bad side!), and here in Tsubasa, he's been attacking peoples with da oni demon things! (XP I don't know what to call them!) so I kinda thought of him as a bad guy! But then I find out that he tought Syaran how to fight so I'm like, What the? He's a GOOD guy? So maybe he's a bad guy who only helped Syaoran because he was a nice kid and Seishirou decided to do something nice, OR he's a GOOD guy and he's only testing Syaoran. But, like everyone else, I have no idea what's going on!
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baddy they always turn on you in the last minute ex:kyle-san
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wow, this is COMPLICATED I personally think Seishiro is EVIL from what my tokyo babylon and X obsessed friend has told me, however, he's not totally evil in all of either series, and he taught Syaoran - kun how to fight in Tsubasa and all, it makes things REALLY messed up. I think he's either working for Yuko or the creepy black - clothed bad guys. He takes Sakura's feather? Thats wierd.. *bashes him* GIVE IT BACK!!!!!!!!! I think it would make sense if Subaru and Hakuto were the vampires he mentioned, I think maybe Vamp - subaru got his eye, and Seishiro needs to travel dimensions to find the both Subaro and Hokuto. Here's where I get confused, there's 2 possiblilites Yuko somehow is able to grant him his wish of dimension travel without mokona, in exchange he has to get Sakura's feather with the memories of Syaoran (remember, when they all "paid" she had Kuro -woof-woof's sword and Fai's marking, but there wasn't anyway for her to get the feather) He could then have somehow ended up in Oto and......*thinks* is CONTROLLING THE ONI TO GET THE FEATHER!!! which would explain why Oni attacked them the very first night in Oto.Or, he was the one who to tught Syaoran to fight, so attacking them with the Oni also could be his weird way of helping "strenghthen" Syaoran (kinda the teacher / pupil thing again, and from why I know of him, it seems like something he would do) it would also help him establish how big a threat our heroes are. Or he could be working for the bad guys, and tok the feather for them, so basically when we see WHO aside from Sakura has a feather after Seishiro takes it, we'll know who he's working/worked for. They're only up to #6 here in America (#7 comes out on oct. 25 !!!!!) Oto is a game world? I'm not totally suprised, it makes sense. The Oni "never attack ordinary citizens" kinda weird, they're demons why would they care who they kill? PLUS, now that I think of it, there's a weird similarlity between City Hall and a pokemon center. The girl in charge is a "real life" Blanche from Angelic Layer (she was Cady's Angel) so if she's "alive" it makes sense that it's a game world. hmm, sorta like the virtual world arcs on yugioh.... in a way..... I guess I'll just have to wait and see...
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Even though Seishiro-san did kill Syaoran-kun and Kurogane-san, I still want to believe that he's good. In a way he reminds me of Eriol-kun of CCS. After all, Eriol-kun was very mysterious, and he did all these weird things to Sakura-chan, but in the end it helped her! We don't really know much about Seishiro-san to completely judge him, and he helped Syaoran-kun! I guess we'll find out his true intentions later on in the series. I still hope that he's good, and is only testing them so Syaoran will get stronger.
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Even though Seishiro-san did kill Syaoran-kun and Kurogane-san, I still want to believe that he's good.
Actually that was Syaoran and Fai, not Kuro. Yuuko ended their fight with the arrow, when Kurogane went to kill Seishirou, after he found out what happened to Fai. :keke:
But I think Seishirou knew it was a game world, so knew he wasn't really killing them.
Yuuko wouldn't have allowed that.
After reading Tokyo Babylon and X, I can't see any way that Seishirou is not evil.
His job is to kill people after all, and he has no feelings whatsoever for anyone until later with Subaru.
I'm still saying he's evil, but that doesn't mean Yuuko can't have some hold over him to keep him in check! And that doesn't mean he is actively out to get any of them.Â
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Actually that was Syaoran and Fai, not Kuro. Yuuko ended their fight with the arrow, when Kurogane went to kill Seishirou, after he found out what happened to Fai. :keke:
But I think Seishirou knew it was a game world, so knew he wasn't really killing them.
Yuuko wouldn't have allowed that.
After reading Tokyo Babylon and X, I can't see any way that Seishirou is not evil.
His job is to kill people after all, and he has no feelings whatsoever for anyone until later with Subaru.
I'm still saying he's evil, but that doesn't mean Yuuko can't have some hold over him to keep him in check! And that doesn't mean he is actively out to get any of them.Â
Your right. Thanks for correcting me.
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Sei-chan is evil incarnate, and he's head over heals in love with his Subaru-kun, who is one messed up mother-
Shut ya mouth!
Only talkin' about Su-kun.
We can dig it.
Because Subaru has issues within issues. As does Seishiro. And granted, the vast majority of Su-kun's issues are caused by Sei-chan, but they still belong together. And Clamp earns a special place in hell for not filling in that one speech bubble in Sei-chan's death scene in X- the speech bubble that everyone -knows- is supposed to have Sei-chan's confession of love to Subaru. But it is empty, leaving room for doubt on what exactly he tells Subaru. Of course, this semi-confession only messes with Subaru's head even more.
So, yeah, Seishiro is evil. I can't imagine a world where Seishiro isn't evil, or at least completely indifferent towards everyone except Subaru. It would completely be against his character.
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I don't think Seishirou has ever been evil in a CLAMP manga! His behaviour has always been subject to circumstances....Sakurazukamori, vampire hunter...
I think it all depends on his life in all the mangas...on how he's brought up. If brought up to think power is good, that's what he'll think. If taught that emotions are weakness, then he'll be emotionally stunted.
But never evil. He didn't hurt Syaoran until he got in his way, ne? He doesn't hurt people just for fun....definitely not in Tsubasa, at least.
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I'd kinda like to apologize for my previous post in this thread. It was really fangirl-y. My only excuse is that I had just read Tokyo Babylon and X, and was riding high on pure fangirl joy.
I don't think Seishirou has ever been evil in a CLAMP manga! His behaviour has always been subject to circumstances....Sakurazukamori, vampire hunter...
I think it all depends on his life in all the mangas...on how he's brought up. If brought up to think power is good, that's what he'll think. If taught that emotions are weakness, then he'll be emotionally stunted.
But never evil. He didn't hurt Syaoran until he got in his way, ne? He doesn't hurt people just for fun....definitely not in Tsubasa, at least.
It's taken me a while to respond to this, but I thought I would now.
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CLAMP's view of morality has always been very individualistic; what's 'good' and 'bad' depends greatly on what the exact situation at hand is. Yes, I believe that X/TB Sei-chan was emotionally scarred and traumatized from his childhood. In TB/X, he was raised to be a sociopathic murderer from birth, and he became a sociopathic murderer. His mother was also a sociopathic murderer who had him kill her when he was fifteen. And CLAMP takes this into consideration. I think he loved Subaru, or, at the very least, what he felt for Subaru was the closest he could ever get to love. Seishirou was extremely obsessed with owning Subaru. Their mutual love/obsession is actually the scariest, most powerful obsession I've ever read of in any anime/manga, much less seen in real life. That obsession, according to CLAMP, is why Seishirou had Subaru kill him; so that Subaru would always belong to him and only him, because of the connection that would created between them by the murder. But CLAMP makes a very big point in X that everybody, no matter what they have been through or what they have done, has the capability and right to love somebody else. (For those of us who have read X, the point isn't just made in Seishirou/Subaru relationship, but also in the Nataku/Karen relationship.) When Seishirou tells Subaru that he is incapable of love or of any emotion whatsoever, we are not really supposed to believe him. CLAMP clearly believes that NO ONE is incapable of love or emotion.
I see Seishirou as CLAMP's testing of their own philosophy. CLAMP has many times espoused (I love using that word) the belief that everybody has the equal right to determine the course of their own life; you should choose your own path, and follow that path no matter what anybody else says/feels. You can see this again and again in Tokyo Babylon, X, and most recently in xxxHOLiC. Seishirou does exactly that. He says that, if every choice is equally valid, then death is just as valid as life. Does he fit in CLAMP's philosophy? Yes. Is he evil? Yes, I think so. Does CLAMP see him as such? I believe so. But neither they nor I believe evil is inherent; evil, just like good, is all about choices.
Given that, Seishirou's actions in TB/X are still not excusable. Seishirou knows full well that his actions are wrong. He tells Subaru when they first meet that his (Seishirou's) heart is the exact inverse of Subaru's, who is pure and kind. He tells Hokuto when he kills her that he does not deserve her trust. Clearly he does not consider himself innocent or blameless in what he does. He is under no illusions about himself. He just doesn't care. He was taught to kill, true, but even when he has a choice of killing or not, he chooses to kill. Only once (in TB/X) does he choose not to kill: Subaru.
I personally think that in Tsubasa he will, in a sense, end up as evil; at worst, he will be a stumbling stone. I don't think he has any connection to Fei Wong Reed. At most, his connection to Yuuko is that he sold her his eye. He's just out to find Subaru; that is his only desire and goal, his obsession. Whether he's out to kill Subaru or marry him and have lots of smex is still up in the air. (Personally, I vote for the second option.) But in all fairness to Sei-chan, Syaoran is also out only for his mission. I think that that's Sei-chan's purpose in Tsubasa; to serve as a counterpoint to Syaoran, and have us ask ourselves exactly how different Syaoran actually is from Seishirou. (One of the scariest threads of thoughts I've ever had is what exactly Syaoran would do if he had choose between Sakura or his other traveling companions. He clearly would die for Sakura, but would he completely abandon Fai and Kurogane for her sake? Probably. But I'm getting off topic.)
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LadyUltima, that has to be the best, and most accurate view on Seishirou I've ever read...in my opinion anyway. The only thing I disagree on is that he'll end up as an evil stumbling stone. I think that whether he is 'good' or 'evil' will come simply down to this....
What is Subaru's part in Tsubasa, and what's the deeper reason behind Sei-chan searching for him?
Only if he find the twins will we truly know what his intentions are, and as such, we cannot judge him yet.
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LadyUltima, that has to be the best, and most accurate view on Seishirou I've ever read...in my opinion anyway. The only thing I disagree on is that he'll end up as an evil stumbling stone. I think that whether he is 'good' or 'evil' will come simply down to this....
What is Subaru's part in Tsubasa, and what's the deeper reason behind Sei-chan searching for him?
Only if he find the twins will we truly know what his intentions are, and as such, we cannot judge him yet.
Thanks for the compliment. I will have to give you that we don't know for sure and won't know for sure until we find out the backstory. I believe that Sei-chan will end up as perhaps -less- evil in Tsubasa than he was in TB/X; even still, Seishirou will do anything and everything to get what he wants. He has no inhibitions except his own desires. He will never give up Sakura's feather, unless it somehow fit his own designs or if he had no more use for it.
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I do find it interesting that Seishirou in Tsubasa is apparently searching for 'eternal life,' when in TB/X he so easily chose death again and again. That actually gives me some hope for him. Gah, the more I write and think about it, actually the more hope I get for him. But then again, I've always wanted him and Subaru to actually get together and have some kind of happiness.
One thing I don't get is why in so many fanfictions people have TRC!Subaru kill Hokuto. I'm like, what the hell? I could see some absolutely horrible situations in which Subaru MIGHT POSSIBLY do it, like if Hokuto perhaps tried to kill Seishirou or something. (Subaru is, in his own way, just as insane as Seishirou.) But it happens in all but one or two TRC!Subaru/Seishirou fanfics I've read. (Plus, I don't think Hokuto would ever kill Seishirou, even if only for Subaru's sake. Remember, in TB/X she chose to die both in order to prevent Seishirou from killing Subaru and to give Seishirou and Subaru a chance together. She knows that Subaru's life would be meaningless to him without Seishirou.)
Oh, and when I said, "At worst he will end up a stumbling stone"? I meant 'at best,' not 'at worst.'Â :sweatdrop:
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Not to sound rude, but please remember that not everyone on here has seen X, like myself for instance, and these facts count as spoilers. Could you be kind enough to put this information in spoiler tags because the more I read, the more I get confused. I would appreciate it if you did this. Thank you.
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Gah, I'm sorry. You're completely right. I've put them in spoiler tags. (smacks self in head)
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Thank you; I appreciate it!
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Um, guys... *sweatdrop* I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to post this, but.. I was on livejournal *cough* lurking *cough* and I SWEAR someone's avatar had a picture of Hokuto on it drawn in the TRC/xxxHolic style!! I mean, the picture *was* a colored picture, so it may just be a random drawing that CLAMP did, but since it was drawn TRC/xxxHolic style, I'm just freaking out!!! XD XD But again, maybe it was just a random pic and my love for Hokuto is blinding me... *sniff*
But if it ISN'T a random pic, could it be a sign of a reappearance of Sei-chan in TRC?!?! O.O Then again, she didn't look very vampire-ish... ((Seriously what is up with that? Why are they vampires now? I mean, that's awesome, I love vampires, but where the heck ARE they??))
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Oh, Seishirou will definitely turn back up in TRC. After all, he has Sakura's feather; there's really no question of it to me.
And hmm... Sounds like an interesting pic. But then again, I also lurve Hokuto. Any pic of her is great.
And... yeah. I've wondered a lot about the whole vampire thing. Subaru a vampire? Will the guy never get a break? Le sigh.
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Oh, Seishirou will definitely turn back up in TRC. After all, he has Sakura's feather; there's really no question of it to me.
And hmm... Sounds like an interesting pic. But then again, I also lurve Hokuto. Any pic of her is great.
And... yeah. I've wondered a lot about the whole vampire thing. Subaru a vampire? Will the guy never get a break? Le sigh.
I agree.. Seishirou HAS to show up again. If he doesn't: PLOT HOLE! XD
Random speculation: What if the feather Seishirou is holding has a *certain* memory? You know? What if it was actually a really important one? I don't really know how to convey this in text... But what if it has a memory regarding Fei Wong Reed or something important about her and Syao Syao or something? But I guess that would be kinda pointless to the story because obviously Seishirou wouldn't know that and he DEFINITELY wouldn't work with Fei Wong Reed (which would be the only reason he'd withold a certain memory from her..). Sei-chan is his OWN boss!
Heh heh, and I actually kinda like Subaru being a vampire! XD I mean how CUTE is that? Just imagine SUBARU trying to feed on someone:
Subaru: *spots prey* Hnn... *reluctantly starts running to him*
Random lady: *accidentally steps in Subaru's way*
Subaru: *bumps into her* Ah! Sumimasen! *bow* Sumimasen! *bow* Sumimaseeeen!!! *boooow*
Heh heh, if you ask me, I think if Subaru couldn't find anyone to feed on he should just ask Seishirou! XD He'd be more than willing, I'm sure.
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Ha! If Subaru asked, Sei-chan would tease him about becoming kinky. Of course, Sei-chan would be perfectly willing to let Subaru bite him... (snort snort giggle giggle)Â
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I think Sei-chan actually wants Subaru to bite him and turn him into a vampire... at least, that's my theory. The whole eternal life thing. And it would be about as sweet as Sei-chan would ever get. That's my theory about what Sei-chan wants under the best of circumstances.
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Ha! If Subaru asked, Sei-chan would tease him about becoming kinky. Of course, Sei-chan would be perfectly willing to let Subaru bite him... (snort snort giggle giggle) Show content
I think Sei-chan actually wants Subaru to bite him and turn him into a vampire... at least, that's my theory. The whole eternal life thing. And it would be about as sweet as Sei-chan would ever get.
I agree! XD In fact, I bet that's why Seishirou can't find Subaru! He probably made one too many kinky jokes and Subaru cried and ran away! XD I have one of my little random scripts for that, but it can't be posted here for obvious reasons! XD
But SERIOUSY speaking, how cute and romantic would that be if Sei really does want Subaru to bite him for that reason? How cute would it be if Sei-chan were so in love with Subaru-kun that he would suffer the pain of eternal life on earth just to be with him? *fangirl squeal*
*cough* Fanfiction, anyone? *cough*
This is gonna sound really lame, but I hope that Subaru shows up in Tsubasa in time for CLAMP to show us his and Seishirou's relationship in the world of Tsubasa. The lame part is that I really want them to do that so I know that in one world ((the world of Tsubasa)) they are still together! ((Considering they were screwed in TB and X...)) Unless of course, CLAMP screws them over in Tsubasa, too.. But ASSUMING they're happy or become happy, that's how I feel.
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Here ye go. (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2641124/1/) I lurve this fic. It just fits so perfectly. Enjoy. (Spoilers for X and TB)
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But it doesn't really explain why Su is running. Rather big hole. But it's still so sweet.
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Here ye go. (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2641124/1/) I lurve this fic. It just fits so perfectly. Enjoy. (Spoilers for X and TB) Show content
But it doesn't really explain why Su is running. Rather big hole. But it's still so sweet.
XD LOL! Thanks, I wasn't expecting for there to already be one! I'll read this tonight and get back to you tomorrow!
Erm, now get back on-topic, everyone! Seishirou sure is pretty whether he's good OR evil, ne? Very pretty. Or "handsome" if you're picky about your adjectives...
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Based upon his personality in X and his actions in TRC, I must say that he is evil. Not as bad as most villians but evil nonetheless.
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maybe he's good he does have sakura's feather but i think there was a good reason why he holds it he's looking for the vampires right? i guess when he finally found the vampires i guess he'll return the feather to it's rightful owner since he couldn't control it's power but...hmmm...if he's working with the badguy....he should just give the feather to fei but he didn't oh well....mind as well wait the end of the manga....