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CLAMP's Famous Works => Cardcaptor Sakura => Topic started by: MegaMan.exe on January 10 2006, 11:48 am
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With CardCaptors? I like it.
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Cardcaptors wasn't a bad "children's cartoon" in itself (but then again I only saw three episodes o_O; ), but as has been said, its not very popular in this forum among those who have seen the original "un-butchered" Japanese version.
If you're so desperate to see them, why not buy the DVDs? I've seen them on the dollar store discount shelf for $3. -__-; They're always popping up on Ebay as well. And like moezy-chan said, I doubt you'll find anyone on the Internet that thinks they're worth the webspace. <__<
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Oh well. Maybe I'll do that when I get a job.
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To find out what's wrong with CC, go here: www.cardcaptors-uncensored.com
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To find out what's wrong with CC, go here: www.cardcaptors-uncensored.com
What he said.
Bottom line: When Nelvana released Crapcaptors, they butchered it up and changed the very concept of the show. As many, I saw it at first and liked what I saw, though much of it didn't make sense. Once I found the Cardcaptor Sakura series, all the pieces fell into place. The manga made it much better. From that point on, I've done my best to distance myself from that evil show and warn people about it :wink:
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Bottom line: When Nelvana released Crapcaptors, they butchered it up and changed the very concept of the show. As many, I saw it at first and liked what I saw, though much of it didn't make sense. Once I found the Cardcaptor Sakura series, all the pieces fell into place. The manga made it much better. From that point on, I've done my best to distance myself from that evil show and warn people about it :wink:
Same with me! Comparing Cardcaptors to Card Captor Sakura is like comparing a lightbulb to an entire candelabra. It may give light, but it doesn't shine.
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I've watched an episode of cardcaptors once, and there seems to be some cuts in the storyline, and I hate cuts -_-.
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I simply didn't enjoy watching Cardcaptors. I didn't like the fact that Nelvana shortened and changed the script for some episodes. I know they were trying to make it a 'children's cartoon,' but I think it's a bit disrespectful to CLAMP.
*shrugs* Not many of you will agree. I'm just stating my opinions ^^;
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I simply didn't enjoy watching Cardcaptors. I didn't like the fact that Nelvana shortened and changed the script for some episodes. I know they were trying to make it a 'children's cartoon,' but I think it's a bit disrespectful to CLAMP.
*shrugs* Not many of you will agree. I'm just stating my opinions ^^;
I certainly will agree! Cardcaptors destroyed all the sweet goodness that Card Captor Sakura portrayed! CCS is a legend! CC is XD.
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Here's a link to the Crapcaptors DVD sets! (http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=ENDECA&SearchType=BMVG_Header&N=20211&keywords=cardcaptors)
I am one evil S.O.B. :tongue:
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Erm, I think if you watch the Japanese and English versions you can see everything clearly whats wrong with it.
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Erm, I think if you watch the Japanese and English versions you can see everything clearly whats wrong with it.
Thing is, he doesn't want to watch the Japanese. If you saw both, you certainly would see why none of us can stand it! The reasons are very obvious.
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most people enjoy the S+S or Y+T and stuff like that, but the dubbed version is just like..O_O WRONG! i saw the whole series and it iturns out there was no love in it whatssoever. well there are lotsa blushing but confessions as well as the airport part was cut off!
Maybe people who just enjoy action would like it, i mean the voices are so..LOW!!
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Erm, I think if you watch the Japanese and English versions you can see everything clearly whats wrong with it.
Nicely said, but yea it's hard to draw comparisons if you don't see the Japanese version. I use to think CC was tolerable until I watched the full original uncut version. I swear my jaw was on the ground as I came to the realization that whole episodes were cut out and the other differances became appearent ... Once you see the original, you get very angry at how the cut vesion was exacuted ... names were changed, whole entire scenes was cut out (important to character development and even just very nice scenes) or even whole episodes would be cut out, important character development/back story/interaction was cut out and a cheesy ops song was added ;_;
After you watch CCS, CC barely (or not at all in some people's mind) resembles CCS.
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Well when I first watched Cardcaptors. I totally loved it. I was only like 10 or 11 then though. I wasn't into much subbed anime so I just basically watched the dub for a while. Then one year for my birthday I got the first volume of the uncut subs and I didn't even know that it was supposed to be in japanese (silly me) and I loved it from then on. After watching that tape, I couldn't go back to the english. I can't believe how many important scenes and episodes that they cut out.
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They turned a love scene music video featuring a teddy bear exposition and awesome music into ... what? A TRIP TO THE EGYPTIAN EXHIBIT AT A MUSEUM. Tell me how that is humanly flipping possible. And how they could deny the immense cuteness of it.
Must I quote an article? Yes, I must. I only know one single person who has explained this in a way we can understand.
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"August 9, 1999. It is a sad day for anime fans, for the worst has come to pass. On August 12, 1999, Nelvana Limited announced the acquisition of Card Captor Sakura as the series Card Captor. Not one mention is made to the quality of the series, and how children all over Japan enjoy it. Not one mention is even made of the creators, CLAMP, or their cute manga that spawned it all. All that is mentioned is the money-making potential of the series, and how Cardcaptor is poised to be a 'highly-visible and successful merchandising brand.' Never mind the show itself, which is probably going to be mangled into unrecognizability.
Fellow anime fans, we have a new martyr to North American commercialism, and it is our beloved Kinomoto Sakura, soon to be renamed 'Niki' for our consumption. Nelvana doesn't care about the quality of a show, as long as it has a 'strong potential to build our merchandising revenues and profits.' Their foray into the 'exciting world of Anime' is as sad as you can get. Never mind that it's a window into another culture, that it's entertaining and charming. It's 'well-received and profitable', and that's the bottom line.
Not that Nelvana has a very good track of keeping things authentic. Elfquest was almost turned into a downright cloying kiddie show, rather than the epic saga it is. Leetah, for example, actually had a skin-tone change planned, because mixed-race marriages were taboo. Never mind this was in the late 1980s... And this company hasn't really done much since to raise our expectations of it.
Even DiC, FUNimation, and 4Kids have made attempts to keep their respective shows as close to the originals as deemed possible. Sailormoon didn't have nearly as much chopped out as we thought it would, and it retained much of the plot and characterization. Dragon Ball Z didn't even have name changes! They remained Goku, Gohan, and Trunks - very little of that anime was really changed by release. And Pokemon is actually very faithfully done.
Card Captor, though, brings the state of anime in America straight back to the 1980s with its blatant "Americanization". Nelvana apparently doesn't care about what anime fans want, anyway - that's not their audience to begin with. They want to make money off the children of America with toys based on some marketable show from Japan, because anime is 'exciting' and popular. They seem to think Card Captor will make them the Pokemon billion by virtue of simply having cards (which aren't even part of a game, but more a magical tarot deck than anything). It's downright sickening, and Nelvana really shows its ignorance.
Nelvana has no right to be releasing anime in North America, but apparently, money talks more than actual artistic integrity here. Nelvana hasn't even produced anything of note in the last decade. Can you remember anything important distributed or created by Nelvana in the '90s? *cricket chirp* I didn't think so. [Note: I have a lot against Nelvana for this, but even so I can't deny the ultra slapstick comedy and sometimes interesting hooks of The Fairly Oddparents. That's all I'll permit on their side though.] Anime fans ought to be incensed by this blatant travesty. It's bad enough that once-reputable companies are throwing out half-hearted dub jobs because they know it will sell with the trendy club-kid crowd, who seem to have adopted 'anime' as the 'with-it' thing to do... but to do this to an anime as charming and beloved as Card Captor Sakura (oh wait, she's Niki now) is purely unforgivable.
It's events like this that are making it hard for us to be *genuine* anime fans here in America. We're surrounded by the specter of anime every day, but it's been commercialized and altered to such an unrecognizable form that it breaks our hearts to see it. Seeing DBZ and Sailormoon to sell skateboards and drug paraphernalia is simply disgusting. And most of the people wearing the trendy 'anime' baby-T's don't even know which series or what characters are emblazoned on their shirts. (Case in point: a Saber Marionette J baby-T encountered on ASU campus - she bought it at Urban Outfitters for $20 because 'it looked cool'. She had no clue there was a TV show based on the characters at all.) People don't even attempt to go beyond a surface 'appreciation' of the anime 'look' to find out what it actually stands for, and Nelvana simply reinforces it with its business-only announcement of Card Captor.
Well, they're not getting any money from me. I know that's a small thing to say in the world of business, but I have never wanted to boycott a company so much as now. The moment I saw CCS for the first time off my third-generation fansubs, it was pure magic. And it still is. But I refuse to contribute to the bastardization of anime in America. And neither should anyone else.
I'm not a fan of anime because it's 'hip' or 'edgy'. I will restate this again: anime is a medium which is a reflection of Japanese society, good or bad. And it's a great way to tell a story. But when I see Americans dismissing it as just something cool-looking to wear out at the raves, it sickens me to no end. This is not the future I wanted anime to have in America...and I hope the fad dies soon. I don't care if I have to go to Japan to get my anime now, but I'll be DAMNED if I sit back and watch as North American pop culture destroys yet another artform in the name of the almighty dollar.
How dare you, Nelvana. Card Captor Sakura is not a jewel to be plundered. It is a genuine gem in the art of animation to be appreciated for what it is, and not for its profit value. I seriously doubt CLAMP was thinking about money when they first started the manga, and you shouldn't be only thinking money as you go into this project. We want genuine quality in our Japanese animation, not some recombined mess that you deem appropriate. Must you sacrifice Sakura, and Japanese culture, in this way?
I'll just buy the import LDs and skip this nonsense altogether. I refuse to feed my hard-earned money to this monster of commercialism."
- Carlos Ross
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There you have it. I was willing to forgive Nelvana for a short time until I found this article, and the article it quotes concerning Nelvana's reasons for licensing this show. Cardcaptors is a likeable show on its own, sure. But that still doesn't deny the fact that it could have been so much better, and that the reasons behind its... ahem... "creation"... are nothing more than to make money.
Let's also not forget that the ignorance of Americans also has a very, very dear consequence. I love Card Captor Sakura to death. But do you think anyone else in America would understand why? NO! I got called a "fag" three times after people saw my CCS desktop on my computer. Why? Because they don't know about the amazing storyline that got decimated in the process. Who cares if it's girly or not? It's got a great storyline, and that's all that matters. But do they know that? Do they know what Nelvana has done to a good storyline? No. Therefore they find it within reason to insult those who know. That's just plain wrong. Because of those damn guys, I've lost half the respect I used to have among my schoolmates. Card Captor Sakura means that much to my life now. And I don't want idealistic idiots to ruin something that is quite literally an icon of my existence.
This is why I hate them so much. And the way they treated CCS... it's both sexist AND racist. They tried to turn it into a show that would attract boys on sight. Ultimately failed, still considered girly. C'mon! The mere art style just cries out "GIRL"! And I really, really hate that sort of discrimination.
"As a stand-alone, CardCaptors may be mildly enjoyable for the (very) forgiving, but for anime fans (seasoned or not) that have seen even the smallest proportion of what Japan has to offer, this adaptation is disheartening, disgusting, and downright unforgivable. It's a lost opportunity for bringing back a young female audience that's been ignored since My Little Pony and Wildfire, and it firmly states that, in America, television animation is purely 'boys' territory', which is sexist and inaccurate, if not blatantly offensive.
No wonder young American girls don't watch TV, if they're being offered such insipid crap! "
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Bravo for such a good post! I'm giving you a cookie! ^.^
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Wow! That was a really good article. I couldn't agree more with it.
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wow....thats a good article. its sad though that here in america we don't get that great and richful anime and we get....card captors
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Had to make a few edits so it'd strengthen my point. You'll notice them near the end of the post.
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Had to make a few edits so it'd strengthen my point. You'll notice them near the end of the post.
After your post on Crapcaptors and how Hellvana ruined a good thing, there really isn't anything else to add to that :)
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Hey, don't completely bash CC. It was because of CC that I discovered CCS :)
I first saw CC back in the 5th grade and loved every minute of it when it was showing in Kid's WB after school at 3:30 pm ;)
But then in the 7th grade I discovered the non-butchered version and... well.... I've stuck with it since but I still have my recorded ep's of CC
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Takeru-kun, all our posts dim in comparison to yours! That was spectacular! You gave wonderful reason, and backed it up with great evidence! You are certainly very mature for your age! That elegant post deserves a cookie!
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Hey, don't completely bash CC. It was because of CC that I discovered CCS :)
I first saw CC back in the 5th grade and loved every minute of it when it was showing in Kid's WB after school at 3:30 pm ;)
But then in the 7th grade I discovered the non-butchered version and... well.... I've stuck with it since but I still have my recorded ep's of CC
I'll bash Crapcaptors if I see fit. Don't tell me otherwise, okay?!!
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I actually pmmed the person who started this thread. Mwa ha ha.
Although I've only seen Cardcaptors the Movie, and heard clips of Sakura saying "I sense Clow (pronounced claow) cards, Lee!!" I agree that cardcaptors is one of the biggest dubbing disasters in.... well, it's the worst, in my opinion, and I've seen Sailor Moon and Speed Racer in both languages. :)
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I'll bash Crapcaptors if I see fit. Don't tell me otherwise, okay?!!
there was no need for hostility there Arcade...... :angry:
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I just re-read the edited version of that and i kind of take offense to that, being American i know we don't have that beautiful culture but don't take it out on all of us. There are some who appreciate it. At least it gets to us in some way, even if its bad we are at least absorbing it. There are some who see the "crap" and become interested and search further to find the true beauty. So please don't diss all Americans, most of us are ignorant and naive but there are a precious few who appreciate it.
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I just re-read the edited version of that and i kind of take offense to that, being American i know we don't have that beautiful culture but don't take it out on all of us. There are some who appreciate it. At least it gets to us in some way, even if its bad we are at least absorbing it. There are some who see the "crap" and become interested and search further to find the true beauty. So please don't diss all Americans, most of us are ignorant and naive but there are a precious few who appreciate it.
First of all, when I speak of Americans, I speak to the vast majority of those who are submerged in the deep, filthy pocket of American pop-culture's bad side. My apologies for not making that clear... I don't have anything against Americans in general. I'm just using that term (lightly) to refer to those who have no clue what kind of background CardCaptors has.
Second of all, I didn't edit that (or write it entirely, as I have apparently led moezy-chan to believe). I left it perfectly intact, only making really strong statements bold. There's no difference between that article and the way it was originally written. Because if I edited it at all, I would have simply been as bad as Nelvana. XD
Oh yes, and for those who don't know who Carlos Ross is, he's one of the reviewers at http://www.themanime.org. (Need to put that into the post with the article too... XD)
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Second of all, I didn't edit that (or write it entirely, as I have apparently led moezy-chan to believe). I left it perfectly intact, only making really strong statements bold. There's no difference between that article and the way it was originally written. Because if I edited it at all, I would have simply been as bad as Nelvana. XD
I was aware that you hadn't written that exerpt. I was addressing towards your comments that followed it.
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First of all, when I speak of Americans, I speak to the vast majority of those who are submerged in the deep, filthy pocket of American pop-culture's bad side. My apologies for not making that clear... I don't have anything against Americans in general. I'm just using that term (lightly) to refer to those who have no clue what kind of background CardCaptors has.
Ok my apologies for jumping on top of that.
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I just re-read the edited version of that and i kind of take offense to that, being American i know we don't have that beautiful culture but don't take it out on all of us. There are some who appreciate it. At least it gets to us in some way, even if its bad we are at least absorbing it. There are some who see the "crap" and become interested and search further to find the true beauty. So please don't diss all Americans, most of us are ignorant and naive but there are a precious few who appreciate it.
This...to me...has to be the single most STUPID post I've read here!
Crapcaptors will live on in infamy and another reason how companies in the United States mess with a polished product.
My opinion...I'm not changing it...don't try and argue the point with me because you won't win :tongue:
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wow god forbid people have their own opinions that are different from yours, why do you have to be so rude about it?
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Time I weighed in here. Keep this kind of discussions out of public view, use the PM system or instant messenger/e-mails.
Any more bad mouthing, posts will be deleted and/or topic will be locked.
You have been warned.
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wow god forbid people have their own opinions that are different from yours, why do you have to be so rude about it?
I don't mind people having different opinions...all I know is mine counts more than yours and believe me...God has nothing to do with mine :tongue:
And since we've established why Crapcaptors is so bad...LOCK AWAY!!! :D
END OF DISCUSSION!!!
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One last parting shot...old info but still true to this day:
CCS vs CC: Episodes comparisons (http://www.cardcaptors-uncensored.com/series.shtml)
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One last parting shot...old info but still true to this day:
CCS vs CC: Episodes comparisons (http://www.cardcaptors-uncensored.com/series.shtml)
I've been on that site before. I couldn't believe how much stuff they cut out!
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that was a good article and I agree with you 100%
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Wouldn't it just be best to choose to disagree? We keep coming back to this subject in the forums....but I can understand everyone's points of views on the subject here....
I loved Cardcaptors, especially since it was the only version of the 68 (yeah, I know there were 70, but that's all that they broadcast over here) episodes that I saw until this year....and I still love it for introducing me to the series.
However, I also realise that the dubbed version cut lots of scenes from CCS, and now when I watch CC episodes, I can't help from noticing all the little expressions, sub plots and dialogue that got taken out as it was deemed unsuitable - so now I think that the CCS original version was the best.
So there isn't actually anything 'wrong' with Cardcaptors....it just depends on your own personal take on the series, and what you prefer to watch. No one should be judged for stating their opinions on the subject. :keke:
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Wouldn't it just be best to choose to disagree? We keep coming back to this subject in the forums....but I can understand everyone's points of views on the subject here....
I loved Cardcaptors, especially since it was the only version of the 68 (yeah, I know there were 70, but that's all that they broadcast over here) episodes that I saw until this year....and I still love it for introducing me to the series.
However, I also realise that the dubbed version cut lots of scenes from CCS, and now when I watch CC episodes, I can't help from noticing all the little expressions, sub plots and dialogue that got taken out as it was deemed unsuitable - so now I think that the CCS original version was the best.
So there isn't actually anything 'wrong' with Cardcaptors....it just depends on your own personal take on the series, and what you prefer to watch. No one should be judged for stating their opinions on the subject. :keke:
I agree with Ruby Chan. I don't entirely despise the dubbed version of Cardcaptor Sakura. Besides, Cardcaptors made me fell in love with the anime in the first place. So I should probably give credit to Nelvana for providing me the ability to enjoy watching the series.
Though of course, the original version of this anime is better than the dubbed ^^;
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I agree with Ruby Chan. I don't entirely despise the dubbed version of Cardcaptor Sakura. Besides, Cardcaptors made me fell in love with the anime in the first place. So I should probably give credit to Nelvana for providing me the ability to enjoy watching the series.
Though of course, the original version of this anime is better than the dubbed ^^;
I'm exactly the same way! I don't like the dubbed, but it was the dub that introduced me to Card Captor Sakura. I would've never found out about CCS if it weren't for Nelvana. I've posted this many times on this forum, but I'll say it again; don't hate the dubbed. It served every anime deprieved fan a small plate that eventually led them to the banquet! Be appreciative that Nelvana did horribly! I am, or I never would've found out about anime, or even found this forum and met you guys! For that, I am truly grateful that Nelvana made Cardcaptors!
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I hate Crapcaptors...nothing will ever change my mind on that. Even if it led me to the wonders of Cardcaptor Sakura, I would've found out about it eventually without poisoning my eyeballs on Nelvana's version :wink:
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I think enough has been said.
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