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CLAMP's Famous Works => Cardcaptor Sakura => Topic started by: watery_card on June 06 2005, 03:39 pm
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I mean.... that Touya and Yukito are in love with each other!? :dodge: is it Yue's moon powers?
or maybe.. they really are in love with each other! But both of them are boys, right?
its weird :sweatdrop: :rotfl:
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Nope, isn't weird to me, there are all types of love. :inlove:
Cardcaptor Sakura is about love, all love without boundries, in a non-judgemental way.
Yuki and Touya are meant to be together. :love4:
See my signature?
Don't they look so sweet together?!
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It's quite weird.hey watery_card your sakura_kinomoto in k-zone...I've seen your topic eh(hihihihi)
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For American standards, Touya and Yukito's relationship in a children's cartoon may seem "weird", but this is "normal" for Japan. Lots of anime have homosexual characters in them, even children's shows like CCS. The difference is in our cultures. Japan doesn't have as many "soccer moms" as America does, so they can have stuff like that in their children's shows. So, if you're going to be an anime fan, you'd better get used to seeing stuff like that because homosexuality is in quite a lot of anime.
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Well sometimes it can get way off at times to the point of absolute weirdness.
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Touya and Yukito's relationship in CCS doesn't bother me.
But I'm glad its not major in there :D Not really a fan or Same-sex couples (sorry forgotton the japanese terms)
and Robin Sena: I think that wierdness is why so many people like anime :D
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i think its great, i agree with Sakaki,
i love teh relationship, i think Touya and Yukito are perfect for eachother :D
i wanted to see more of them together :keke:
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I mean.... that Touya and Yukito are in love with each other!? :dodge: is it Yue's moon powers?
or maybe.. they really are in love with each other! But both of them are boys, right?
its weird :sweatdrop: :rotfl:
Maybe.... just maybe... they're gay?
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It's not weird! I hate to say it...but that kinda sounds very narrowminded. Afterall...if real people are in love with people of the same gender...why not anime characters?
And the way they treat each other is very kawaii...they really care about each other. It's nice to see a couple that stands out from the usual same-sex couples of anime.
(SLi...do you mean shonen-ai/yaoi, shoujo-ai/yuri?)
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Maybe.... just maybe... they're gay?
^^ perfectly put.
but the syaoran li crush on yukito was explained by the moons power, i don't think it applies to touya
so they can revel in thier shonen-ai as much as they want :keke: the more the better.
and on that note, they need more pics of those two together, i think i've seen all the pics they have so far. anyone know where there are new pics ? or possibly fanart ?
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Hmmm....if you pm what pics you've seen, I may have some new ones I can give you!
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Hmmm....if you pm what pics you've seen, I may have some new ones I can give you!
its like all the official ones, i've looked through a cardcaptor sakura clamp art book so ... >.>
i guess fanarts will do, i don't mind what kinds.
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***its like all the official ones, i've looked through a cardcaptor sakura clamp art book so ... >.>
i guess fanarts will do, i don't mind what kinds.***
VexNet, I have all three of the artbooks.
I can give you some pictures.
I have a really cute one of them with bunnies and it's snowing.
Ah.....KAWAII!
And I agree, I'd like to see a whole show, just about them.
I want more Tsubasa Touya and Yuki!!
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(SLi...do you mean shonen-ai/yaoi, shoujo-ai/yuri?)
Yes thank you, just couldn't remember when I wanted to type it :)
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***its like all the official ones, i've looked through a cardcaptor sakura clamp art book so ... >.>
i guess fanarts will do, i don't mind what kinds.***
VexNet, I have all three of the artbooks.
I can give you some pictures.
I have a really cute one of them with bunnies and it's snowing.
Ah.....KAWAII!
And I agree, I'd like to see a whole show, just about them.
I want more Tsubasa Touya and Yuki!!
oh yea !! i'd love that :D
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ok first off I love Touya and Yuki and I have no problem with them being together but I really have to point this out...their relationship can't be defined as Homosexual. nore can it be hetrosexual. Yuki/Yue is genderless.
so maybe if you think its a little wierd you can just tell yourself that! its kinda a loophole when you think about it.
but heres the interesting thing to think about. as far as I know Yue isn't in Tsubasa. so Yuki is a man in Tsubasa. so if you like thinking of them as a Yaoi couple there you go!
and now everyone can be happy!
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***but heres the interesting thing to think about. as far as I know Yue isn't in Tsubasa.***
The way I think about it is that in Tsubasa we don't see Yue, but Yuki does have powers similiar to Yue, so it's almost as if they have merged into one person.
I think Yuki is indeed a human man in Tsubasa, but I think Yue is within him also.
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haven't they always been one person? lol just kidding I know what you mean. and yeah I was happy when I noticed Yuki's powers because it kinda showed his Yue side.
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When you say Yuki is genderless....I disagree. Yue is KIND of genderless (but I will always think of him as male) but I'm pretty sure Yuki IS male....as the earth form of Yue, he's not actually a magical construct (in a sense, yes he is, but not mainly...if that makes sense).
I loved the Yuki with moon powers in TRC too!
But seriously, I recognise that a lot of people don't like shonen-ai/yaoi, but that doesn't mean that the Yuki/Touya relationship is WEIRD.....you just don't like it that much.
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it didnt bothers me too much about Touya/Yukito.. i just thought they look good together..
and also, i always thought the love between them is something like brotherly love for one another or the best best best kind of friends..
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yeah ya know 2 boys falling for each other.I think "stunning turn of evets here!!!
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i guess whatever we are reading, read it with an open mind..
nothing is impossible...
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I'm not really a fan of well same sex couples but the way in which yukito and touya are portrayed seems absolutelty natural and does not come across as really weird. they look really good together and their love is one which is different and somehow harder to understand.
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Just gotta say it again, Love Is Love.
Many things just don't apply.
If you like Clamp or pretty much any Anime or Manga, you need to have an open mind and get rid of some of the conditioning that comes from the society you live in.
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People just fall in love with someone. They don't really check who they have fallen in love with. It just happens. Didn't you see that shaoran didn't even realised it when he had and his first reaction was 'why her?'. And then touya+yuki have been shown in such a nice way that you feel nothing's wierd. they look so good together.
I think that yue is genderless. I mean if you see yuki then you are bound to disagree but then Nkuru also looked like a girl but she said herself that as she isn't a human so the gender doesn't matters. Won't that be true for yue/yuki too.?
I used to think that they are best friends love for each other but we are told that it is more than that when yukito tells sakura that touya is the person for him.
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***I think that yue is genderless. I mean if you see yuki then you are bound to disagree but then Nkuru also looked like a girl but she said herself that as she isn't a human so the gender doesn't matters. Won't that be true for yue/yuki too.?***
Yes, from what I understand Yue and Nakuru are genderless.
Yuki would be different though, because he is the disguised human form of Yue.
Therfore I would assume he needs to look completely human. If you remember, in the Manga and Anime Yuki doesn't know that he has another self. If he weren't entirely a male I think then that the disguise wouldn't work so well, ne?
Surely he at least would notice that he was somehow different.
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ok but won't it b like he looks like a boy, feels like a boy, etc but actually he isn't a boy as he isn't a human?
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it seemed 2 me dat der r quite a lot of guy luv guy, gal luv gal relationship, but its usually one way thought in ccs... and selected other anime/manga
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Mind editing that to use full words, you are using too many short form words which isn't allowed by the forum rules.
Avoid using sTiCkY caps, SHOUTING and txt msg writing, please.
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with Touya and Yukito's relationship, i actually think it's very cute! I was quite offended however to find that some people thought it was weird, but then everyone's entitled to their own opinions, and i guess that there are always those who just don't understand.. -_-
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Same here....it seemed a bit like gay bashing.....
Like I said before, it's a sweet coupling, and there's a lot more caring/romance than in some staright couplings you get. If you don't like a particular coupling, that doesn't make it weird. It just means that in your opinion, it's not what you like to see in a manga. Calling this coupling weird, is very insulting to a lot of people.
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Same here....it seemed a bit like gay bashing.....
Calling this coupling weird, is very insulting to a lot of people.
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i'll second that *nods*
i like the couple :D a lot, and most one sex couples are more interesting than different sexed couples, lol
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i'll second that *nods*
i like the couple :D a lot, and most one sex couples are more interesting than different sexed couples, lol
Not to mention that most gay couples are hotter than heterosexual couples. ^^
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Not to mention that most gay couples are hotter than heterosexual couples. ^^
lol, ya that aswell :wink:
gotta love fanart and fanfiction with em :D
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Plus, a lot of them have diff storylines, some more touching/developed than some strairght couplings.
It looks like there are a lot of Yukito/Touya fans here, ne?
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***It looks like there are a lot of Yukito/Touya fans here, ne?***
Aw, how could there not be?
Touya and Yuki are so sweet.
And I totally agree with what Ruby Chan, VexNet and Cardcaptor Takato have said.
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I don't think its weird at all. But i hate it when magna or anime shows gay couples in a comic/ridiclous way. but Yukito/Yue and Touya are SO Perfect together!!!!! And CLAMP is one of those good type ppl that shows their relationship in aa respectfull and loving way.
I love that about this couple!!!!
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I don't think its weird at all. But i hate it when magna or anime shows gay couples in a comic/ridiclous way. but Yukito/Yue and Touya are SO Perfect together!!!!! And CLAMP is one of those good type ppl that shows their relationship in aa respectfull and loving way.
I love that about this couple!!!!
I agree. They are so cute together. Kind of like fai and kuro, but they don't fight. :lol:
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I don't nesscary find a boyxboy or girlxgirl relationship weird. It just shows that Touya and Yukito are very close friends and the share a strong bond with each other that they wouldn't want to go out with a girl. Thats how I see it anyway.
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I don't nesscary find a boyxboy or girlxgirl relationship weird. It just shows that Touya and Yukito are very close friends and the share a strong bond with each other that they wouldn't want to go out with a girl. Thats how I see it anyway.
thats how nelvana shoved it down our throats. from what ive heard/seen, neklvana cut out every HINT of a "closer than friends" friendships. (at least they didnt do what CWI did and make a Yuri couple into cousins >.<[See haruka-michiru pairing])
both Yue and Ruby Moon (i dont know her "human" name) are gederless. yue was refered in boy terms (he, his) probably because his human form is a guy. plus, Yue cared just as much about tuoya too, even if he shares his soul with Yuki, he cared alot about him, especialy after what Tuoya did.
Ruby moon, "she" just liked wearing womans clothing(in human, and full powered form), so there for was refered to as a "she"...i think...
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Um...it really feels weird...the whole relationship. And yet it's kawaii. I'm slowly getting used to shounen-ai so I guess I don't really have a problem with it. After all, most of the anime I've been watching have homosexuality in them. O_O
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Um...yeah, I'm glad I found a thread about this. I was wondering if Touya had confessed his feelings to Yukito or vice versa in the anime/manga? I knew that Yukito had admitted his feelings about Touya but the anime never showed Touya did the same. So I'm giving this relationship a benefit of a doubt. COuld anybody explain to me?
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well there WAS something, heck, touya and yukito called eachother by abrviated versions of their names (to-ya and yuki)
looking back at it it makes me think ALOT of the kurofai relationship, like how toya constantly tried to talk to yukito about his other form (yue) but he kept getting interupted...^^
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I wish CLAMP would make out kuro/fai to be like touya/yuki. Uwaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I knew that Yukito had admitted his feelings about Touya but the anime never showed Touya did the same.
When did Yukito admit his feelings?
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Sayuhiro: when Sakura told him she loved him, he let her down and told her that he wasn't really the one she loved the most. Sakura asked if he could tell because he himself had a most-beloved person, Yukito said yes. She asked if it was Touya - he admitted. In the manga, Eriol also confirmed this.
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Sayuhiro: when Sakura told him she loved him, he let her down and told her that he wasn't really the one she loved the most. Sakura asked if he could tell because he himself had a most-beloved person, Yukito said yes. She asked if it was Touya - he admitted. In the manga, Eriol also confirmed this.
oh...is that so? I guess I didn't see it...I watched CCS in dub and I think they dubbed that part as another conversation...
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Ohhh... no good, no good. You need to watch the undubbed. Believe me - it's a whole different show! :dodge: Or better yet, read the manga. That way, there's no way you will be able to deny the Touya/Yukito-ness or the (though onesided) Tomoyo/Sakura-ness.
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It took me a while to get used to shounen-ai. I hated it at first, being that I live in an anti-gay society. I'm pretty much fine with it now, as long as they don't step to the next level. I still do avoid mangas and anime where the genre is yaoi, though. I don't enjoy reading a book that revolves around two guys loving each other. It's too much for me. The Touya/Yukito relationship I also found... "strange" at first. But that was when I first was reading CCS, which was years ago. I don't really mind anymore, as long as, as I said before, they don't step to the next level.
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Ohhh... no good, no good. You need to watch the undubbed. Believe me - it's a whole different show! :dodge: Or better yet, read the manga. That way, there's no way you will be able to deny the Touya/Yukito-ness or the (though onesided) Tomoyo/Sakura-ness.
There's also a Tomyo/Sakura-ness? Oh my... I am definitely not in a good situation...I didn't even know that! Rar! Dubbed anime just aren't great...
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Ohhh... no good, no good. You need to watch the undubbed. Believe me - it's a whole different show! :dodge: Or better yet, read the manga. That way, there's no way you will be able to deny the Touya/Yukito-ness or the (though onesided) Tomoyo/Sakura-ness.
There's also a Tomyo/Sakura-ness? Oh my... I am definitely not in a good situation...I didn't even know that! Rar! Dubbed anime just aren't great...
Eh, I watched the dub when I was, like, five, or something. As much as I can remember, the manga was completely different. Out of curiousity to see the actual difference, I'm currently downloading subbed episodes on my computer. It may be lisenced, but if it's still up, I'm downloading anyway.
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I don't really mind their relationship but at some point (Syaoran fans don't shoot me!) before Syaoran and Sakura realized they liked each other, I kinda wanted Sakura to be with Yukito instead because she had such a huge crush on him!
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There's also a Tomyo/Sakura-ness? Oh my... I am definitely not in a good situation...I didn't even know that! Rar! Dubbed anime just aren't great...
Eh, I watched the dub when I was, like, five, or something. As much as I can remember, the manga was completely different. Out of curiousity to see the actual difference, I'm currently downloading subbed episodes on my computer. It may be lisenced, but if it's still up, I'm downloading anyway.
EVERYONE loves Yuki! (even meeeeee!) I don't think it's wierd at all! I think it's cute! yuki and Toya are perfect tohether! Love is love! I mean someone mentioned Tomoyo's crush on Sakura in their post, so is that any different?
On the note of American soccer moms...I think America is too uptight about everything. If they weren't so prudeish, things would be better.
Where can I download it, Chibikawa???
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I think Clamp did a good job with that couple, though. They made it obvious, but not too outright blatant. They pretty much did that with every couple in the show (except for Meilin x Syaoran, which wasn't to be fulfilled either way), which is why I like CCS so much. It's all just very cute and innocent, yet deep and intricate love. =)
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Yukito and Touya's relationship is not weird to me :)
I know a few gay guys in real life, so animated ones are even easier to accept XD
Iam also currently in love with someone of the same sex, and I have been with them for 5 years, so homosexuality most definitly isn't a problem for me.
I think Yuki and Toya support eachother very well. They are like eachothers pillars of strength. Yukito looks to Toya's protection, and his devotion to Yuki even though he knows he is not human, and Toya finds comfort in being with the happy, smiling Yukito :)
After all, Ms Mitsuki herself knew that Toya would fall in love with someone else, and Sakura in the manga even gets Yukito to admit Toya is his 'number one person'. The manga is a lot more definate with their relationship than the anime.
I was so upset with the dub when it was removed, Tomoyos love for Sakura too... I guess it was seneored because of the contraversial issue of homosexuality in the US.
But most of us are lucky to have seen the original. And CCS just isn't as cute without -all- the couples. Including Toya and Yukito ^__^
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In the beginning I did think that it was weird since homosexuality was never discussed in my house. In fact, I didn't learn what it was until I was 18, so when I discovered anime it was a shock for me. Granted, I don't support it, and I never will, but it doesn't disturb me nearly as much in the beginning. I will never be predjudice of any homosexual, but I will never support it either.
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I just realized I've never actually responded to the question asked in this thread (though that isn't really neccesary, since everyone already knows Touya/Yuki are one of my favourite couples...), so I'll just answer with the following quote:
"If you try to fight love, you're always a loser". :keke:
I honestly don't see what people have against same-sexed couples. Touya and Yukito are sweet together, there's genuine concern between them, they make each other happy and they're not hurting anyone by being together. How can such love ever be wrong, or "weird"? Please tell me, because I don't get it.
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I just realized I've never actually responded to the question asked in this thread (though that isn't really neccesary, since everyone already knows Touya/Yuki are one of my favourite couples...), so I'll just answer with the following quote:
"If you try to fight love, you're always a loser". :keke:
I honestly don't see what people have against same-sexed couples. Touya and Yukito are sweet together, there's genuine concern between them, they make each other happy and they're not hurting anyone by being together. How can such love ever be wrong, or "weird"? Please tell me, because I don't get it.
I think some people are bought up to believe it is wrong. It all depends on your parents views, and what you are exposed to when you are learning what is right from wrong, friends, family, religion can be a big impact on a person's ideas of right and wrong too.
I agree with you though :) Love is Love, and although that is terribly cliched, it is also true. Love should not be 'weird', If it is true and strong, then it shouldn't be called wrong, but a blessing.
(sorry for almost going off topic there)
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I agree with a lot of the opinions on here. I don't mind people who like other people of the same gender, if that's what they truly believe in and are happy, then I'm happy. As with relating to soccer moms, I have personally waged war against them all and have lost count of the number of times I have almost been crushed by their stupid minny vans :sweatdrop:
lol anyway, I think it's fine for a guy to like a guy. I do kinda have a problem with people who are gay and talk like girls and all that kind of stuff(cause it freaks me out a bit), but again, if they like it, then that's fine. I just want other people to be happy!
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They are'nt in love, they're just friends n__n don't worry about that xDD
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They are'nt in love, they're just friends n__n don't worry about that xDD
Ahem. Have you read the manga, Luci-chan?
*Before going abroad, Mizuki-sensei tells Touya that when the two of them will meet again, they will both be in love with someone else. Mizuki fell in love with Eriol. Now do we ever see Touya being lovey-dovey with anyone else but Yukito?
*When Sakura told Yukito she was in love with him, he let her down, and told her that he wasn't the one she really loved. She asked if he could tell because he himself had a most beloved person, and he said yes. She asked if that person was her big brother, and he admitted it was.
*Yukito asks Touya at one point why he doesn't mind him being around Sakura, to which Touya replies with going all sparkly sparkly (I'll see if I can find the actual scene, but you all know what I mean by "sparkly", right?), touches his cheek and starts saying "You are...", but then they're interupted.
*Only occurs in the anime, but a girl tells Touya that she loves him. He lets her down, saying that he already is in love with someone else. She answers that she kind of knew he was.
But if you want to be in denial, fine... ^^
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i gotta find the original subs somewhere, as well as see if evil empire has the manga...
i kinda DID see a "more-than-friends" relationship between yuki and touya, when i was in 9th grade or so, before kidsWB took it off iair.. heck, i think i had eventualy i rewriten the close-to-ending of my CCS epic fic (that will most likly NEVER get published beyond the first chapter T_T) to make this short convo between the 2 more touching ^^
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i was reading this thread....and i think it might grow into something...anyway..i dont really see the problem with toya/yuki relationship...if they are in love, they are in love...i dont see what's wrong with that...loving someone of the same gender is no less then loving someone of the opposite gender...and america IS too uptight...i thought about it when i was watching CCS how they took much of the toya/yuki-ness out of the english version...but japan stilled had it....i think their culture isn't as objectional to same-gendered rlationships....i dont think that you should find it weird even if you dont agree with it...if someone close to you was in love with someone of their same-gender would it be weird? do you think they would feel good about being labeled as that...im not accusing anyone of anything..im just saying that maybe peopl who dont agree with that form of love..should at least respect and not use slightly-negative words to define it....lets for for instance that the world changed and same-gendered love was the norm....and if you weren't that way you were weird...would it be fair for you not to be able to love the way you want to because it isn't the norm....if EVERY single person followed the norm...our world would be horrible...
uhh..wow....gomenasai.....it looks like i wrote quite a bit on this topic :sweatdrop:.....i hope no one feels i am taking an offense to any of their commments...im merely just giving my opinion....i just dont think prejudices should be made towards people and how they love...
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Ahem. Have you read the manga, Luci-chan?
*Before going abroad, Mizuki-sensei tells Touya that when the two of them will meet again, they will both be in love with someone else. Mizuki fell in love with Eriol. Now do we ever see Touya being lovey-dovey with anyone else but Yukito?
*When Sakura told Yukito she was in love with him, he let her down, and told her that he wasn't the one she really loved. She asked if he could tell because he himself had a most beloved person, and he said yes. She asked if that person was her big brother, and he admitted it was.
*Yukito asks Touya at one point why he doesn't mind him being around Sakura, to which Touya replies with going all sparkly sparkly (I'll see if I can find the actual scene, but you all know what I mean by "sparkly", right?), touches his cheek and starts saying "You are...", but then they're interupted.
*Only occurs in the anime, but a girl tells Touya that she loves him. He lets her down, saying that he already is in love with someone else. She answers that she kind of knew he was.
But if you want to be in denial, fine... ^^
Yes the manga clearly states as Yukito Says that Toya is his number 1 person.
Sakura tells Syaoran Yuki told her he was in love with someone else, and that she knew this person very well also. :)
(sorry I just repeated what you said XDD )
Also, In CLAMP no Kiseki part 1, there is a small essay with Toya and Yukito's relationship clearly mentioned :)
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I don't think it's weird.
I think it's sexy.
*leaves*
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CLAMP no kiseki is a 12 part series in magazine format celebrating the 15 years of CLAMP. Each book highlights a manga series and Cardcaptor Sakura is covered in issues 1 and 2. 3 chess pieces come with each issue showing a legendary CLAMP character. Sakura is the White Queen that comes with the first issue:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/Arcademan/Cardcaptor%20Sakura/CLAMPchess01.jpg)
The series ran its course in Japan (I have ALL of the chess pieces) and currently in America ran up to 6 issues until it was temporarrily stopped by TOKYOPOP dues to low sales (Issues 7 and 8 were never released) however they are re-tooling the future issues and will release them eventually.
The major drawback to the series in the U.S. is that each issue cost $30 USD. Granted, the chess pieces are great but an awful lot of money for them and 32 pages in which the majority of the pictures have already been printed in the artbooks CLAMP Northside and Southside.
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Aww, what a cute queen piece. XD And I'll bet Yukito's one of the bishops?
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Aww, what a cute queen piece. XD And I'll bet Yukito's one of the bishops?
He's not represented in the chess set but you almost got it right: Fai D Flowright is the Black Priest, Kurogane is the Black Knight, Syaoran (TRC version) is the White King and Tomoyo is the alternate White Queen. Kero and Suppi are the ultra-rare two bonus pieces #37 and #38.
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Ahem. Have you read the manga, Luci-chan?
*Before going abroad, Mizuki-sensei tells Touya that when the two of them will meet again, they will both be in love with someone else. Mizuki fell in love with Eriol. Now do we ever see Touya being lovey-dovey with anyone else but Yukito?
*When Sakura told Yukito she was in love with him, he let her down, and told her that he wasn't the one she really loved. She asked if he could tell because he himself had a most beloved person, and he said yes. She asked if that person was her big brother, and he admitted it was.
*Yukito asks Touya at one point why he doesn't mind him being around Sakura, to which Touya replies with going all sparkly sparkly (I'll see if I can find the actual scene, but you all know what I mean by "sparkly", right?), touches his cheek and starts saying "You are...", but then they're interupted.
*Only occurs in the anime, but a girl tells Touya that she loves him. He lets her down, saying that he already is in love with someone else. She answers that she kind of knew he was.
But if you want to be in denial, fine... ^^
s I now XDDDD!!!! Im just lying because I don't like that, im just trying to figure myself that :jeje: cause Im 12 years old, I dont like that things, my mother told me T___T