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The Post Thread IX (AKA The Meaningless Thread)
moezychan:
--- Quote from: mia-chan on May 17 2006, 06:38 am ---As a rule, I don't believe anything unless there's proof, but then I don't disbelieve anything unless it's proven to be fake. Lets just say I'm open minded.
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That's good to know. I'm like that in certain situations, but when it comes to religion I continue to believe. Religion isn't meant to be explained.
--- Quote from: mia-chan on May 17 2006, 06:38 am ---So prophetic dreams huh? For real? I thought that only happened on the telly! :) That could really help out in life, wouldn't it.
My mum is a Catholic but she didn't raise me as one, saying that it was my right to choose what I wanted to believe, well I may decide one day!
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For real. I've had at least 4 in my lifetime. They're rare, but they always come true. I can't explain it, and I'm not going to bother explaining it. I analyze nearly everything, but in cases like these I've learned to back off.
--- Quote from: mia-chan on May 17 2006, 06:38 am ---My mum is a Catholic but she didn't raise me as one, saying that it was my right to choose what I wanted to believe, well I may decide one day!
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That's good. My mom forced me to become a Catholic by saying, "You either believe or you will burn if He**."Â :( Let's just say I learned to believe but not because I wanted to. I didn't become a true Catholic until I became a Catechist teacher. It gave me reason to believe, and I found how wonderful my religion was. I realized things I never knew before and it gave me reason to live but I won't get into that. Probably why I'm so dedicated to my religion. It made me whole, and it helped get rid of my depression. I wouldn't be the person I am now without my faith.
--- Quote from: Kairi on May 17 2006, 06:33 am ---I agree with you moezy-chan, its "do you believe or not"
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Arigatou.
mia-chan:
I think it's really nice to be able to believe in something wholeheartedly, I wish I could! I just don't have that strong beliefs!
moezychan:
--- Quote from: mia-chan on May 17 2006, 06:53 am ---I think it's really nice to be able to believe in something wholeheartedly, I wish I could! I just don't have that strong beliefs!
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I will admit, it is hard. It's a daily struggle, especially when other temptations come across, but in the long run, it's well worth it. I prefer to look at the full picture opposed to just one area. Unfortunately, I've come across people that will only look at the area they want, and not think ahead. But it takes all colors to make a rainbow and all people to make a world. And if anything, those people only make me stronger.
Ashlee:
When I was young I was always bought up in church, but then well my family slip up and well I stop going. I was never into it when I was young, so I never really got into the whole church thing. Now, My step mother is really into it, and she gets mad at me because well I kind of don't believe. To me, I'm more of the Science way. I need lots of proof. And a bible that has been re written many times to fit our way of life, changes. I once, read read bibles (well I had to), and ya it was kind of the same, but most of it was change. I need proof. I don't think people who do believe are wrong. its like you said before Moezy-chan. do you believe or not
monkey:
--- Quote from: moezy-chan on May 17 2006, 06:30 am ---But if there is anything I can say to back up my beliefs, I've had prophetic dreams that help me predict the future, and there is no scientific proof to explain that, but there are statements in the Bible that prophets had prophetic dreams. I can't back my proof up except that I believe in my faith. There really is no substantial evidence that the Bible is right, but there also isn't any substantial proof that the Bible is wrong. All it comes down to is, "Do you believe or don't you?"
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but we've all had that, I've frequently seen things I've dreamt about or I get Deja-Vu a lot. It's totally natural for everyone I think, I just wouldn't go as far to say I'm a prophet. I'm probably sure theres a scientific fact behind those dreams aswell.
--- Quote from: mia-chan on May 17 2006, 06:38 am ---As a rule, I don't believe anything unless there's proof, but then I don't disbelieve anything unless it's proven to be fake. Lets just say I'm open minded.
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Theres a name for something similar to that, It's what I am, I'm Agnostic.
--- Quote from: moezy-chan on May 17 2006, 06:50 am ---That's good to know. I'm like that in certain situations, but when it comes to religion I continue to believe. Religion isn't meant to be explained.
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Everything can and needs to be explained, Religion just can't explain things since majority of it is impossible
I strongly disagree with organised religion. The beliefs of gods and faith are fine, I totally support those, It's just all the organised religions that really annoy me. The church makes millions of dollars every year and don't have to pay taxes. A lot of people in these organised religions need to be burned at the stake, mainly reffering to those Televangelists and those door to door religion salesmen. this particular article really annoyed me. I would like to hurt everyone who calls homosexuality a choice, they neet be hurt... a lot. It's bad enough that America's Government is forcing Religion on third world countries, I don't think they understand that people should be given a choice in what they believe in. I was raised in a christian school and I was forced with religion every single day, It really disturbed me that they needed to force it on us without even giving us a choice. We didn't even touch on other gods like Buddha, Shiva, Zeus until Secondary school, which wasn't christian, it was a normal public school. That's where I started to learn about other Religions and that is where I started to gain my interest into them. Even tho I don't like Organised Religion, I do like the ideas of each of the Gods in different Religions, I disagree with some and agree with others. If anything I think I feel more enlightened than a Religious zealot because I am not tied down by one almighty person, I am my own person, Not owned by God. I don't believe that God is supposed to be a dictator like all these Religions seem to make him out to be.
Also, I can't stand HOLY WARS. More people have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ than any other single person in the history of humanity. Killing is a sin, but if someone disagrees with you or worships a different god then killing is suddenly ok? These people are hypocrits.
To sum up what I think about religion best is a quote from DOGMA:
Rufus: He (God) still digs humanity, but it bothers Him to see the shit that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, but especially the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity took a good idea and, like always, built a belief structure on it.
Bethany: Having beliefs isn't good?
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant.
(Rufus is the 13th apostle who was left out of the bible because he was black, Bethany is the great great great great great grand-niece of Jesus Christ )
dunno if any of that made sense? -again, I stress, I'm not dissing Religion, I love it myself.
Remmember, I'm Agnostic:
An agnostic is a person who believes that the existence of a greater power, such as a god, cannot be proven or disproved; therefore an agnostic wallows in the complexity of the existence of higher beings.
Agnostics on religion (Christianity, Islam, Buddhists, etc): Religious zealots are often viewed as ignorant by agnostics’ because of their blind following of a supreme being which may or may not exist. Agnostics will often question the existence of a supreme power because a lot of modern religious beliefs have no basis in modern logic; therefore blind following of popular religions is viewed as an easy out for people who chose not to think for themselves.
Agnostics on atheism: On the other end of the spectrum, unlike atheists, an agnostic uses a more scientific approach to their belief system. An agnostic knows that just because there is no physical proof of the existence of a higher being, it dose not automatically mean that one does not exist. An agnostic views an atheist on the same plane as a religious zealot; often because the belief that human beings are the pinnacle of intelligence and there are few things that we do not or have the potential to understand.
The realization of knowing that “we cannot know everything” is the backbone of the agnostic belief.
description explanation from another website
Then again my parants are mainly christian but they also have pictures of buddha and shiva around our house too, they are pretty to look at too.
whoa, I think this is my most detailed piece of posting on this forum... ever. :surprised:
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