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S+S or F+K?
Cherry tiger:
--- Quote from: mela on August 27 2006, 04:29 pm ---You may say all that, Cherry Tiger, but at the end of the day that person made comments that will offend people. It's all good and dandy that it is her opinion, that isn't going to stop people from getting mad about it. Personally I find it really sad that in this day an age people still make comments like that. When you take away the language barrier and all that, shounen-ai and shoujo-ai still boils down to gay and lesbian. This isn't even about KF or her not liking the pairing or whatever. It's about her making comments that even though might not have meant them, were still put out there and they hurt others.
Point is, people are going to interpret things in different ways, which is why things should always be thought out before you say them. Especially when you are saying things that might offend and hurt other people.
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I know... which is exactly why I said I'm going to give this another perspective. You can accept it or not... but that was the way I was thinking. I also thought that what she said was a bit too much, but she did say that English wasn't her best language and she didn't meant for it to mean it that way. Yes, people got hurt from that comment and I don't mind them expressing it. But I didn't see the need to push it further and bringing what she said to another forum, cause down here she will not be able to explain herself, even though we don't know who she is.
Anyway, I'm sorry if what I said in my previous post was rather messy and not properly said and still insulting. You don't have to accept what I say, I'm just giving it another way of looking at it.
--- Quote from: Rekall on August 27 2006, 04:49 pm ---With regards to the homophobic comment it doesn't matter if the person is nice or not. Admitting to be a homophobe and seeing nothing wrong with being one is not okay.
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My point has been proven.
A lot of people in my country are homophobic. There is a reason for it to be that way, and that also especially involves religion. Now I'm religious too but I'm not the one to go around condemning homophobics cause if there's one thing I've learnt, is that you have to understand why they're like that.
By saying people who are homophobic and have no problems with it is not okay, you are saying most of the world isn't ok. Rather than saying that, maybe it's better to just understand why is this so. I'm not saying you're wrong, I think most homophobics are too much as well... but this particular person quoted didn't mean it in such a bad way. And as you can see, she can't defend herself.
Must people who are not homophobic be able to read or watch CLAMP's work? That's being prejudiced just as well...
Sorry. I'm really really sorry if I'm being too harsh. But I just want to express these.
kudan:
--- Quote from: Rekall on August 27 2006, 04:49 pm ---With regards to the homophobic comment it doesn't matter if the person is nice or not. Admitting to be a homophobe and seeing nothing wrong with being one is not okay.
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I disagree, being homophobic is just like having any other kinds of phobia. Take for example, if someone is claustrophobic, are we in any position to dislike him/her?
Rekall:
--- Quote from: kudan on August 27 2006, 05:05 pm ---I disagree, being homophobic is just like having anyone other kinds of phobia. Take for example, if someone is claustrophobic, are we in any position to dislike him/her?
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Being homophobic isn't like the other phobias, it's more closely related to racism because comments like "I'm homophobic" can and do offend people. Replace "I'm scared of gay people" with "I'm scared of black people" and you're not going to find many people who are going to sympathize with a person who makes that comment.
As for claustrophobia, I doubt if elevators or other small enclosed spaces are going to be offended if someone doesn't like them.
duchessa:
--- Quote ---By saying people who are homophobic and have no problems with it is not okay, you are saying most of the world isn't ok. Rather than saying that, maybe it's better to just understand why is this so. I'm not saying you're wrong, I think most homophobics are too much as well... but this particular person quoted didn't mean it in such a bad way. And as you can see, she can't defend herself
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I think she was using the word incorrectly. She did mention she had homosexual friends .
However having said that, being homophobic is not okay, in any time, in any place- just like being racist is not okay. Does most of the world do it anyway? Certainly . Doesn't make it right, and most of the world is not okay, in my opinion. But I get your point, the poster didn't mean any harm, her vocabulary is just a bit messy and liable to invite misunderstandings.
Now BACK on topic - I think both S/S and Kurofai are getting really interesting now. Kurofai because we're *finally* getting some real development and S/S/S? because of the two Syaorans and the parallels to the OTHER S/S (SeiSu - I find the similarities a bit creepy actually).
mela:
--- Quote from: kudan on August 27 2006, 05:05 pm ---I disagree, being homophobic is just like having any other kinds of phobia. Take for example, if someone is claustrophobic, are we in any position to dislike him/her?
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I don't even think such things can be compared. Hating cramped spaces is A LOT different than hating someone based on one aspect of who they are. They're at such completely different levels.
And with that being said, I will refrain from talking about this subject further. It no longer pertains to the topic and is only bringing a lot of unneeded tension.
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