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Bishojo Senshi Sailor Moon
Time-Machine:
I never did any of the stuff they asked, but the site was pretty accurate about licensing changes and showtimes, which was useful. I ignored all of their petitions. A lot of it was to get Stars dubbed, and keep the dub going, and the dub wasn't very good, so I really didn't care. ^_~
But it's just weird, because back then every single SM fan site had a little SOS banner. It's kind of a fan generation marker. The newer generations of fans don't know it. The banners are gone (and so are a lot of the REALLY good fan sites).
So, am I the only one who really started to enjoy the show because they watched the dub and thought that Tuxedo Mask was incredibly cool, and didn't understand why he was with Sailor Moon. That's why I originally looked the show up online. I loved it, and I wanted to know if the pairing made more sense in the original version (which is does).
Speaking of pairings in the original version, cousins?
Jeannette:
AGGH! Speak not the word 'cousins.' Please, please please. (curls in corner crying, rocking back and forth) Haruka and Michiru are such a beautiful couple... and they were made into cousins! I feel so dirty. Gives an entirely unwanted conotation in my mind to 'kissing cousins.' And I assume everyone knows that in the original version, Zoicite and Kunzite were both men and thus gay lovers, but in the dubbed version Zoicite was made into a woman to make it a straight relationship. Am I the only one who finds it scary that the dubb company didn't have to alter any of art to pass Zoicite off as a woman? (Interestingly enough, in the manga there are no hints whatsoever that Zoicite and Kunzite are lovers, and PGSM also didn't have them as lovers.)
And you know, in the SuperS season, there's an episode with a gay designer; he's shown in a scene or two with his lover. Nothing explicit, but you could tell their relationship wasn't platonic. And the dubbed version made his lover his brother. Because brothers give each other massages and get jealous. Right.
Time-Machine:
--- Quote from: Jeannette on March 01 2006, 04:41 pm ---AGGH! Speak not the word 'cousins.' Please, please please. (curls in corner crying, rocking back and forth) Haruka and Michiru are such a beautiful couple... and they were made into cousins! I feel so dirty. Gives an entirely unwanted conotation in my mind to 'kissing cousins.' And I assume everyone knows that in the original version, Zoicite and Kunzite were both men and thus gay lovers, but in the dubbed version Zoicite was made into a woman to make it a straight relationship. Am I the only one who finds it scary that the dubb company didn't have to alter any of art to pass Zoicite off as a woman? (Interestingly enough, in the manga there are no hints whatsoever that Zoicite and Kunzite are lovers, and PGSM also didn't have them as lovers.)
And you know, in the SuperS season, there's an episode with a gay designer; he's shown in a scene or two with his lover. Nothing explicit, but you could tell their relationship wasn't platonic. And the dubbed version made his lover his brother. Because brothers give each other massages and get jealous. Right.
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LOL. I remember that episode. In both versions. Even before I read the synopsis of that ep online later, I could totally tell they hadn't been brothers in the original.
They really didn't do a good job with the whole "cousin" thing, either. You could really tell that wasn't the nature of their relationship no matter how they tried to cover it up. Personally I think if they hadn't completely destroyed the first two seasons they wouldn't have been pushed into this corner where they had to make the rest of the series "acceptable" to society's standards of what is appropiate for 6 year olds (a corner that completely screwed over any possibility of Stars getting licensed).
Also in SuperS, similiar to Zoicite, they made FishEye a woman, and didn't have to alter any art or anything. Whenever I hear the song "Dude Look Like a Lady" Zoicite and FishEye are the first people to pop into my mind.
Followed immediately by Hugo Weaving in Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, but that's kind of off topic.
Jeannette:
XD 'Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.' I haven't seen that movie in years. God, when people would talk about how they would see a combination of Elrond and Agent Smith when they looked at Hugo Weaving, aka 'Agent Elrond,' I'd always chime in about how I saw a transvestite 'Agent Elrond.'
I agree with the whole bit you said about how they pushed themselves into a corner. But if they'd gone ahead with a more faithful version, I'm sure people would have put up a hullaballoo about it. Maybe the controversy would have made it more popular. Either way, Stars will never make it over here officially dubbed. We just have to put up with fansubs. But there are some pretty good fansubs, actually.
And I saw the uncut version of the SuperS season first, so I knew when I saw the edited version that they hadn't been brothers. It was painfully obvious. All in all, that was a fascinating episode, actually, since it had Fish-Eye 'the girl' tearing off 'her' shirt revealing 'her' flat chest. The amount of editing they did to cover up 'her' flat chest was ridiculous. And they did a crappy job of it as well. And they also did an awful job trying to 'cover up' the nature of Haruka and Michiru's relationship. Three words: Hand. Holding. Scene. Enough said.
And another sex change: they made Zirconia a male in the dubbed version! For no reason! Show contentAnd it completely ruined the plot point that Zirconia was supposed to be Nehellenia's mirror-image, herself as the old hag she so feared becoming.
Time-Machine:
--- Quote from: Jeannette on March 01 2006, 05:07 pm ---And another sex change: they made Zirconia a male in the dubbed version! For no reason! Show contentAnd it completely ruined the plot point that Zirconia was supposed to be Nehellenia's mirror-image, herself as the old hag she so feared becoming.
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That really confused me. And ticked me off. The fact that SuperS is the SLOWEST moving of all the seasons is forgivable in the Japanese version due to the coolness of Neherenia, and her depth of character. Show contentBy changing Zirconia, a lot of that was taken away, and the little there was to the overly-drawn out plot was ruined. I was ticked.
Any thought on the whole Ali/En thing? A lot of people really hate that arc, because it was created as filler when the decision was made to continue the series (which was only supposed to have 1 season) to give time to Naoko Takeuchi to build more story and start releasing the new manga she was suddenly contracted to continue.
Personally, I kind of like it. It's cheesy, and the plot isn't very complex, but it's sweet, and has a lot of good Usagi/Mamoru moments.
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